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Flip Yr Wig posted:Yeah, but he wasn't appointed by Congress. If Trump wants to exercise dictatorial control over the DoJ, the odds are that Congress won't check him. It sure would be Interesting, though. If nothing else, these last few months have been Interesting. dog 
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The appointment of Mueller is what took the heat off Congress to act. If he fires Mueller there will be a lot of pressure to do something. Of course it's Republicans so that doesn't mean they'll actually do something but it's not the same as the Comey firing.
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HappyHippo posted:The appointment of Mueller is what took the heat off Congress to act. If he fires Mueller there will be a lot of pressure to do something. Of course it's Republicans so that doesn't mean they'll actually do something but it's not the same as the Comey firing. Hey would just form an independent commission led by Alex Jones.
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LegendaryFrog posted:Hey everyone, tomorrow is my Birthday! - President of the United States Wait. Trump's birthday was two days ago. Is he unstuck in time?
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Jun 16, 2017 20:11
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I'm not convinced you can even rely on the GOP to be 'rationally' trying to save their jobs after 2016. They think they're invincible now, that they can cheat enough to overcome any level of public hatred. They're probably wrong, but it will affect their calculus.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:And I'm sure if Mueller was fired another special council would be appointed, without a guarantee that they would be as competent, trustworthy, etc. There's a risk it would derail the investigation, which isn't worth the tiny chance that it would motivate Republicans in congress to do anything. I think we could see a Special Prosecutor law passed if only to try and shield the rest of the GOP from the fallout. Appoint some Bush hack who is loyal to the GOP not Trump and make sure that the Trump take down goes to the maximum benefit of Republicans.
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Boon posted:That's great. So what does firing Meuller get? An impeachment mandate for the Democrats in 2018, and 18 months of calling Trump a loving crook. If you think the leaks are bad now, you would not believe the leaks after he fired Mueller. We'll witness the birth of the next Deepthroat/Woodward.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:If he tries to pull another massacre, he will probably have to go through enough US attorneys that it would be an actual, ongoing story. Live updates, chyrons and all. That'll be loving surreal. I hadn't considered this aspect, but yeah, we would be getting news pushes each time someone was fired. That would be hilarious. I'm sure we would have a betting pool on how many he would to fire before he found someone who would comply
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Trabisnikof posted:If the Trump Hearings means they can't choke poor and minority people by shoving lignite down their gullet while cutting food stamps to pay for it, that will finally be unacceptable. Now that I think of it, given how much cover the current round of hearings is giving them on the AHCA, it might actually create an incentive for them set up a special investigator/counsel.
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HappyHippo posted:The appointment of Mueller is what took the heat off Congress to act. If he fires Mueller there will be a lot of pressure to do something. Of course it's Republicans so that doesn't mean they'll actually do something but it's not the same as the Comey firing.
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business hammocks posted:Rural white tough guy culture is extremely performative and extremely preposterous to anyone not steeped in it. That Trump acts so much like one of them is pure coincidence, obviously, but there might be something similar in the pure desperation of his masculine posturing. There is a large aspect of "All Hat and No Cattle" to what you call rural white tough guy culture, because the less that there is an actual economic and social basis to rural culture, the more people seem to feel a need to put on a uniform and repeat the bonafides of how rural they are. This is especially true for the places that swung heaviest to Trump, where farming or logging or etc. are not predominant industries. (For example, I believe the most farming-intensive county in Ohio has 6% of its population as farmers). Which just goes in the entire category of all of this administration being a "reality" show, Trump and his supporters like to play dress up with toughness, while having no experience with what those things really mean.
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Jun 16, 2017 20:19
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Chilichimp posted:An impeachment mandate for the Democrats in 2018, and 18 months of calling Trump a loving crook. Hmmm this seems like a really bad deal, I can get ALL of that right now. Like,you get that he is under a criminal investigation right now by a special prosecutor, right? There is no higher procedural peak to be reached. Democrats can't even win enough seats in the Senate to have enough to convict on an impeachment. You're delusional if you think anything short of an investigation finding could trigger impeachment, the only way Trump gets put out is through Meuller. Boon fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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All he had to do was surround himself with smart people and rubber stamp poo poo. What a spectacular cheeto fuckup.
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So I've been on radio silence for the past week or two, did James Hodgkinson really have the Republicans shook? Like that just ain't gonna be a one time incident, there's probably going to be a lot more to come especially once they pass that disastrous healthcare bill or whatever harmful poo poo. I'm telling you there is going to be so much social pressure built up in the next few years that I can't even imagine the kind of bursts of violence that will come up. Ferguson eat your heart out.
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Well... I don't see how they get Murkowski's vote. If Rand Paul really is hopelessly gone as well, then they can't lose anyone else, and they had been reportedly pessimistic about keeping Mike Lee. Then of course there's Collins and Heller. https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/875795096284868608
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Jun 16, 2017 20:22
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Boon posted:Hmmm this seems like a really bad deal, I can get ALL of that right now. True, but an investigation isn't an impeachment mandate. I don't think the republicans will ever impeach him, personally. But if he fires Mueller and quashes these investigations, the Democrats will absolutely ride the public outrage all the way to Washington. As bad as I think America has become, I can not trick myself into believing the American people would put up with that kind of corruption.
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Jun 16, 2017 20:24
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Rigel posted:Well... I don't see how they get Murkowski's vote. If Rand Paul really is hopelessly gone as well, then they can't lose anyone else, and they had been reportedly pessimistic about keeping Mike Lee. Then of course there's Collins and Heller. Their desperation to get this passed despite all this is really making me think that we might be in the final couple weeks before they lose their ability to pass legislation at all for some reason.
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Chilichimp posted:True, but an investigation isn't an impeachment mandate. I don't think the republicans will ever impeach him, personally. But if he fires Mueller and quashes these investigations, the Democrats will absolutely ride the public outrage all the way to Washington. That's fine but Democrats impeaching in the House doesn't mean poo poo. They won't have the votes to convict without Meuller, and if you fire Meuller, guess what. An impeachment without the third-party proof is just begging to backfire.
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Trump isn't getting impeached. What matters from this investigation is for Republicans to get so deeply unpopular throughout the nation that they lose in a wave election in 2018. And we're well on the way already. In the meantime we can hope that awful pieces around Trump ala Sessions get cast off as the Idiot King lashes out at those around him desperate to find a new scapegoat.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump isn't getting impeached. What matters from this investigation is for Republicans to get so deeply unpopular throughout the nation that they lose in a wave election in 2018. And we're well on the way already. In the meantime we can hope that awful pieces around Trump ala Sessions get cast off as the Idiot King lashes out at those around him desperate to find a new scapegoat. They'd absolutely impeach him if they thought it would be the only thing they could do to save their own asses.
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Jun 16, 2017 20:28
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I've never seen a picture of Trump's lawyer but I can't stop imagining him as the cocky salesman from Die Hard that gets shot in the face by Hans Gruber. Thats the level I expect from Trump. "Donnie, bubby, I'm your white knight."
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Hmmmm yes, good point Shimarra. I have also concluded that: A. Nothing matters B. Trump has done no wrong
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Boon posted:That's fine but Democrats impeaching in the House doesn't mean poo poo. They won't have the votes to convict without Meuller, and if you fire Meuller, guess what. Well, if they impeach and the Senate fails to remove him, then whoever is up in 2020 in states that aren't dark red will have to explain their support for Trump. The Clinton impeachment backfired on the GOP because the voters were solidly behind the president, but they won't be in this case. Its not much, but thats got to cost them some votes in 2020.
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I love how Trump is systematically rolling back all of Obama's policy changes. So much for the neoliberal ocean liner LMAO
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I'm ok with Rosenstein not recusing himself at this time because he hasn't been called as a witness. He's not affecting the investingation. What he is doing, however, is acting as a honeypot for Trump. Trump wants to fire Mueller so badly but he can't without firing Rosenstein. That would look really bad.
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Boon posted:That's fine but Democrats impeaching in the House doesn't mean poo poo. They won't have the votes to convict without Meuller, and if you fire Meuller, guess what. Firing Mueller is Obstruction of Justice, period. Firing Mueller is all they need to impeach him, and I don't think it would backfire at all. No 3rd part party evidence without Mueller, you say? Well, if he fires Mueller, then there's no 3rd party evidence! It seems like a silver bullet to the mentally inept, I guess, but it's actually a guarantee for an obstruction charge. "You do not fire the man who is investigating you."
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Your Taint posted:They'd absolutely impeach him if they thought it would be the only thing they could do to save their own asses. I highly doubt this scenario ever comes about. If anything, I don't doubt many Rs in Congress think alienating Trump's base would harm their re-election bids more than staying the current course.
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Rigel posted:Well, if they impeach and the Senate fails to remove him, then whoever is up in 2020 in states that aren't dark red will have to explain their support for Trump. The Clinton impeachment backfired on the GOP because the voters were solidly behind the president, but they won't be in this case. Its not much, but thats got to cost them some votes in 2020. This is going to happen anyway. The only thing that prevented this previously was 9/11 just more than a year before voting. The deep unpopularity is impressive and shows no signs of abating because it would require Trump to literally not be himself, and that's not possible. Planning for a 9/11 type event is kind of untenable
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I mean we've seen Republicans grow increasingly crazy, evil, and cowardly over the years. They are not acting rationally and haven't been for awhile.
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lol at anyone still on the 'nothing matters' train. Don't let reality rain on your pessimism parade, I guess? Trump also can't fire Mueller - he'd have to have the acting AG do it. As several people have pointed out, he'd likely need to go several people down the line to find someone willing to die on that hill, and IF that somehow happens, I assume the IC deepstate floodgates shall floweth forth and he's done anyway. I think we're very firmly in the middle of Things Mattering territory, and Trump's increased flailing (because he literally can't help himself) will only tighten the snares.
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I pray for some big breaking news story to drop whenever this thread starts eating itself. We've had this same argument every day for the last 3 weeks.
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Chilichimp posted:Firing Mueller is Obstruction of Justice, period. Firing Mueller is all they need to impeach him, and I don't think it would backfire at all. Wonderful! Now if only we can get someone to make the obstruc... oh he's fired. Looks like we'll need the GOP to get on boar... oh they allowed it.
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Today's 202 is great. Please read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.2949ab0616ee quote:Marines Corps veterans don’t scare easily. Mueller, 72, earned a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star with Valor for his gallantry in Vietnam before devoting most of the rest of his life to public service. Trump, 71, avoided military service by claiming a medical deferment for “heel spurs,” and he’s said that his “personal Vietnam” was avoiding sexually-transmitted diseases while sleeping around in New York. “I feel like a great and very brave solider," the president once told Howard Stern. 
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Boon posted:Wonderful! Now if only we can get someone to make the obstruc... oh he's fired. Is that what I said was gonna happen? Chilichimp posted:An impeachment mandate for the Democrats in 2018, and 18 months of calling Trump a loving crook. Chilichimp posted:True, but an investigation isn't an impeachment mandate. I don't think the republicans will ever impeach him, personally. But if he fires Mueller and quashes these investigations, the Democrats will absolutely ride the public outrage all the way to Washington. edit: Mueller being fired is obstruction and the article of impeachment filed by the House of Reps would cite that and that alone as proof. Firing the man who is engaged in an active criminal investigation of you is obstruction and just firing him is a crime. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Invalid Validation posted:All he had to do was surround himself with smart people and rubber stamp poo poo. What a spectacular cheeto fuckup. His ego wont allow him to hire people better than him(not that there's such a thing, after all his brain is so best and big)
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Boon posted:Planning for a 9/11 type event is kind of untenable Another 9/11, rally around the flag situation was kind of the worst nightmare a couple months ago. At this point, though, it's becoming clear how much the Trump administration would gently caress up their emergency response. I suspect it may well hurt his numbers even more.
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