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I love this thread a lot but it definitely has a reactionary thing going on with WWII german military gear.
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Yeah sorry we're major nerds who've spent years putting up with that smug poo poo and we lash out.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:43
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I read a book by a self proclaimed expert on the Eastern Front who cited no Russian sources and spent about 80% of his description about a certain battle gushing about the "legendary and feared 88" that could knock out any tank at 3 km. There was also a lot of colourful descriptions of Soviet casualties ("piles of corpses", "burning wrecks littering the battlefield", etc), whereas German casualties would be given as a dry number, if at all.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:44
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Yeah, sorry, the Panther and Tiger weren't the BEST TANK EVER but they also weren't actually dumpster fires (panther was a train fire instead heyoo) but the pop-culture consensus, for years, was that panther and tiger were the BEST TANK EVER. It gets a bit grating.
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Jun 15, 2017 23:05
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Those tanks are just beautiful metaphors for German WW2 planning in general. I posted long excerpts from a book about Barbarossa before and how utterly disastrous it was for the Germans despite utterly astounding Russian casualties, particularly since (a) Germans could afford virtually no personnel losses since they'd already fully stretched out their prime war-aged youth in 1941 and (b) they totally destroyed virtually all of their mobile forces and logistics arms just getting to the periphery of Moscow. Almost every truck, horse and tank they had was lost getting there. You can get pretty far with a shoestring of tanks tied together with tape if you're willing to cannibalise whole armoured divisons' equipment to move the front 25 miles. Disinterested fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 23:07
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German tanks were ahead where it really counted for getting approved by the Fuhrer over rival projects, and wanked over post-war - they looked good.
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Jun 15, 2017 23:34
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Ainsley McTree posted:I'm up to kursk in Ivan's war and I have a few thoughts Here's something you have to understand about historians: they tend to be true experts in one field, professionally competent in related ones, aware of the major consensuses in tangentially related ones, and anywhere from OK to terrible at things that have no connection to what they do (so, a German historian on pre-colonial Africa, for example). She's writing a book about the soviet experience of being a front line soldier, and I'm going to hazard a guess that that's where her professional competency lies. For the rest of it (for example, assessment of the quality of military equipment) she's going to be going off of what she finds in the secondary literature. It's not uncommon at all for people who are experts in one area to get really, really exasperated when someone writing on another subject strays into their patch and fucks something up.
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Jun 15, 2017 23:46
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Hogge Wild posted:i didn't know that i had a calliope  
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Jun 16, 2017 00:43
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The Panzer 4 long barrel versions will always be the WW2 tanks of my heart. They just looks more tanklike than any other tank of the era in a weird way to me. But I'm a sucker for boxy shapes in military equipment.
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Jun 16, 2017 03:19
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The PzIV went impressively far, considering the role that it was designed for. It's a real "greatness thrust upon you" moment.
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Jun 16, 2017 04:12
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Panzer IVs are cool, but I still prefer Stugs for "favorite German AFV"  .Anybody know why the Panzer IV never got a cat nickname?
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Jun 16, 2017 04:22
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OwlFancier posted:This picture makes me unreasonably giggly. fallout new vegas?
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Jun 16, 2017 04:50
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Davin Valkri posted:Panzer IVs are cool, but I still prefer Stugs for "favorite German AFV" Supposedly it picked up the nickname of Sardinenbüchse or "Sardine Tin" in reference to its thin vertical armor. Wehraboos never mention that one for some reason.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:24
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Davin Valkri posted:Panzer IVs are cool, but I still prefer Stugs for "favorite German AFV" The PzIV is a pre-war vehicle that had a long life, where the Tiger and Panther were later designs. I'm guessing they juat didn't start naming them like that until later.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:53
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Cyrano4747 posted:For the rest of it (for example, assessment of the quality of military equipment) she's going to be going off of what she finds in the secondary literature. My favorite part was when she referred to the PPSh-41 as a "field artillery gun". 
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Comrade Koba posted:My favorite part was when she referred to the PPSh-41 as a "field artillery gun". Just because it's handheld and its munitions are small doesn't mean it's not artillery. Don't sizeshame
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Jun 16, 2017 08:26
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Polyakov posted:The Panzer 4 long barrel versions will always be the WW2 tanks of my heart. They just looks more tanklike than any other tank of the era in a weird way to me. But I'm a sucker for boxy shapes in military equipment. Yeah, when I think of WWII tanks, they're always some long barreled late war tanks. For some reason I don't think that the early war tanks are as iconic, even if Germany did most of their "Blitzkrieg" with them. The only exception is T-34 that always looks extremely tank-like:  Davin Valkri posted:Panzer IVs are cool, but I still prefer Stugs for "favorite German AFV" same!
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Jun 16, 2017 15:06
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  Prototypes are so cool 
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Jobbo_Fett posted:
Okay that one looks legit af ngl
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Jun 16, 2017 16:03
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Hey I'm looking to do some reading on post-war relations between Japan and the United States. What are some good books or resources to get informed on the subject?
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Rent-a-Bot posted:Hey I'm looking to do some reading on post-war relations between Japan and the United States. What are some good books or resources to get informed on the subject? Do you mean during the occupation or after?
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Jun 16, 2017 19:17
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After the occupation.
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Jun 16, 2017 19:18
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Fusion Restaurant posted:Do you mean during the occupation or after? How long was the occupation? I always had the impression it was a pretty short period of time, like maybe it ended during the Korean War? e: I know we still have bases there, I mean the formal occupation where we controlled their government and whatnot.
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Jun 16, 2017 19:27
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MANime in the sheets posted:How long was the occupation? I always had the impression it was a pretty short period of time, like maybe it ended during the Korean War? kinda still ongoing
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Jun 16, 2017 19:27
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MANime in the sheets posted:How long was the occupation? I always had the impression it was a pretty short period of time, like maybe it ended during the Korean War? Formally, it ended in 1952 with the signing of the Treaty of San Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco
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Jun 16, 2017 19:35
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bewbies posted:kinda still ongoing There's a huge difference between having leases for military bases and an occupation.
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Rent-a-Bot posted:After the occupation. Can't help with stuff after the formal occupation unfortunately 
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Jun 16, 2017 20:29
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Cyrano4747 posted:There's a huge difference between having leases for military bases and an occupation. tell that to Japanese activists
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Jun 16, 2017 20:36
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bewbies posted:tell that to Japanese activists Pretty sure someone has
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Jun 16, 2017 20:58
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bewbies posted:tell that to Japanese activists They can disagree with the US having military bases in Japan, but that doesn't make them an occupied nation. The last time I checked Japan had a constitution, its own courts, its own elected government, and any criminal violations were pursued by those domestic apparatuses. Before 1952 this was very much not the case.
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Jun 16, 2017 21:17
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I mean I'm British and I don't think we are under US occupation either despite RAF Lakenheath. (Good source of Nathans hotdogs and Johnsonville brats tho)
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Jun 16, 2017 21:34
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feedmegin posted:I mean I'm British and I don't think we are under US occupation either Yes....good...good.
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Jun 16, 2017 21:36
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feedmegin posted:I mean I'm British and I don't think we are under US occupation either despite RAF Lakenheath. (Good source of Nathans hotdogs and Johnsonville brats tho) Johnsonville brats aren't a normal thing in England? You poor bastard. We need to invade and occupy you just for that travesty.
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Jun 16, 2017 21:42
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Kanine posted:fallout new vegas? Probably the best fallout game if only for the fact that you can beat a roman soldier to death, steal his money, load it into a shotgun round, and then blow his mate's head off with his own coinage. I feel like there's a really complex commentary in there somewhere but I'm not sure what on.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:42
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OwlFancier posted:Probably the best fallout game if only for the fact that you can beat a roman soldier to death, steal his money, load it into a shotgun round, and then blow his mate's head off with his own coinage. the dangers of silver standard
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Jun 16, 2017 22:45
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OwlFancier posted:Probably the best fallout game if only for the fact that you can beat a roman soldier to death, steal his money, load it into a shotgun round, and then blow his mate's head off with his own coinage. A reference to "Pat Garret and Billy the Kid?"
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Jun 16, 2017 22:52
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Part of me wants to see what would happen if you just dumped a bunch of like, second world war era military equipment on a roman legion, what would they do with it? I mean the obvious one is Hannibal ending up crossing the alps much faster and in a T34. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 23:17
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Nebakenezzer posted:A reference to "Pat Garret and Billy the Kid?" The director actually posted that scene as explanation on these very forums
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Jun 16, 2017 23:37
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limp_cheese posted:Johnsonville brats aren't a normal thing in England? You poor bastard. We need to invade and occupy you just for that travesty. Our hotdogs come in jars or cans, in brine *spooky noises*
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feedmegin posted:Our hotdogs come in jars or cans, in brine *spooky noises* Wait how else do you get a hotdog?
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