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I'm spreading Jello brand gelatin, stepping out of the phone booth, trying to avoid Mom's shoe, fireing up the radial airplane engine, forgetting what kind of car that was, sending Russel to see the city, standing in front of that easil, teaching us white kids a thing or two.
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Is she the one with the story about them body slaming her through a glass coffee table and then gang raping her on the shards of broken glass
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Jun 16, 2017 22:36
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Trunko posted:Is she the one with the story about them body slaming her through a glass coffee table and then gang raping her on the shards of broken glass Yeah she's a psycho and there are thousands more like her the media doesn't cover. It's a much bigger problem than "rape culture" or stupid poo poo like loving "male gaze" that gets way more media attention.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:38
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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias.[1][2] Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally. This fallacy is a major problem in public debate.[3]
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Jun 16, 2017 22:38
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Trunko posted:Is she the one with the story about them body slaming her through a glass coffee table and then gang raping her on the shards of broken glass it was all part of a frat initiation ritual too lol
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Jun 16, 2017 22:39
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Yug posted:Then what's your point? They were paraded around in the media as horrible evil men and their hosed up psycho false accuser got all the attention and praise and adoration she desired. She should be in prison for as long as they were potentially facing. Okay, that seems fair if it can be proven she knew she was lying and wasn't just crazy or misremembering in an alcohol/drug fugue. They still were judged not guilty in a court of law. I don't know what else you want. Maybe we should keep all accused people's names out of the paper until their guilt or innocence is established by a court of law? That prevents the court of public opinion from convicting innocent people regardless of the crime they're accused of. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. People can be falsely accused of many things besides rape, so it wouldn't be fair to protect suspected rapists and not other groups. Everyone should be protected.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:39
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Trunko posted:Is she the one with the story about them body slaming her through a glass coffee table and then gang raping her on the shards of broken glass
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Jun 16, 2017 22:40
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Yug posted:There are probably way more false accusations than there are actual rapists. It's a sick society. Bullshit.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:41
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Tiny Deer posted:Okay, that seems fair if it can be proven she knew she was lying and wasn't just crazy or misremembering in an alcohol/drug fugue. I don't really have a problem with any of that. I think some European countries are like that.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:41
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Strudel Man posted:No, that was the Rolling Stone story. It's hard to get all these fake accusation stories straight when there are so many of them.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:42
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Tiny Deer posted:No, actually, I don't. I think they were fairly acquited. That guy is mentally ill tbh I don't think he can be reasoned with. He can't see he's basically the extreme man-hating feminist he hates except w/ the genders switched
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Jun 16, 2017 22:42
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Yug posted:Yeah she's a psycho and there are thousands more like her the media doesn't cover. It's a much bigger problem than "rape culture" or stupid poo poo like loving "male gaze" that gets way more media attention. The highest national (I use national to make sure the estimate is at least nominally conservative) estimates of false rape accusations sit at 10%. Let's double that to 20% just to be extremely fair. That still literally doesn't add up, except lol you don't care about statistics why do I bother God, I'm an idiot. Yeah, bitches lie, rape isn't real, whatever. Women: this is the type of man who will be at your rape trial. Do not bother. Find a good therapist.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:44
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i like that posted:That guy is mentally ill tbh I don't think he can be reasoned with. He can't see he's basically the extreme man-hating feminist he hates except w/ the genders switched I know. I'm a posting nihilist. I ain't give a care. He will surely say some awful poo poo and OH WELL that's how men do, I suppose.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:45
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Tiny Deer posted:The highest national (I use national to make sure the estimate is at least nominally conservative) estimates of false rape accusations sit at 10%. Let's double that to 20% just to be extremely fair. I thought you didn't want women to see the rapist. Make up your loving mind.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:48
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Yug posted:I thought you didn't want women to see the rapist. Make up your loving mind. What As in...I want the rapist to be invisible? Or for it to be a surprise from behind? What are you talking about? (Okay admittedly you surprised me with your response when I thought it would be predictable so at least you have that.)
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Jun 16, 2017 22:49
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Tiny Deer posted:What
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Jun 16, 2017 22:50
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You just said you wanted women who have been raped to see the rapist instead of go to the police. That's loving sick.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:50
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Yug posted:You just said you wanted women who have been raped to see the rapist instead of go to the police. That's loving sick.  so much for the sincere and trustworthy right
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Jun 16, 2017 22:52
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If you think Yug is (usually) sincere, I don't know what to tell you.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:53
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Tiny Deer posted:
I think that's how he actually parses it.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:53
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Yug posted:I thought you didn't want women to see the rapist. Make up your loving mind. it's a regular facet of your behavior to retreat from whatever assertion you've made that's actually being challenged to a more readily defensible position, irrespective of its relevance or whether the people you're engaged with actually hold a position in opposition to it. how do you reconcile your certainty in your assertions with your unwillingness to defend them in honest discourse?
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Jun 16, 2017 22:56
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rape is not ok
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Jun 16, 2017 22:56
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Cubone posted:it's a regular facet of your behavior to retreat from whatever assertion you've made that's actually being challenged to a more readily defensible position, irrespective of its relevance or whether the people you're engaged with actually hold a position in opposition to it. how do you reconcile your certainty in your assertions with your unwillingness to defend them in honest discourse? "Lol"
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Jun 16, 2017 23:00
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Orkin Mang posted:rape is not ok Fair point
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Jun 16, 2017 23:00
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Tiny Deer posted:Okay, that seems fair if it can be proven she knew she was lying and wasn't just crazy or misremembering in an alcohol/drug fugue. Any ideas on how to keep accused famous people's name out of the media? "[popular celeb] gets taken to court" is like one of the hottest news stories, and people will be clamoring to hear more. Someone said Europe does that? How do they do that? Feels like stopping the tide, to me right now
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Jun 16, 2017 23:01
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Trunko posted:Fair point its not ok. its just not.wowzas
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Jun 16, 2017 23:01
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Cubone posted:it's a regular facet of your behavior to retreat from whatever assertion you've made that's actually being challenged to a more readily defensible position, irrespective of its relevance or whether the people you're engaged with actually hold a position in opposition to it. how do you reconcile your certainty in your assertions with your unwillingness to defend them in honest discourse? What are you even talking about? I've been proven right again and again?
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Jun 16, 2017 23:01
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Tiny Deer posted:The highest national (I use national to make sure the estimate is at least nominally conservative) estimates of false rape accusations sit at 10%. Let's double that to 20% just to be extremely fair. Unless the school administration is running the kangaroo court. Then you'll be found guilty even if you both admit it's consensual. Also, it's interesting that you would excuse a false accuser because they were intoxicated. That seems to fly in the face of how intoxication is viewed in regards to sexual assault.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:02
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Yug posted:What are you even talking about? I've been proven right again and again? Is that a question?
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Jun 16, 2017 23:04
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Tiny Deer posted:The highest national (I use national to make sure the estimate is at least nominally conservative) estimates of false rape accusations sit at 10%. Let's double that to 20% just to be extremely fair. That's because those statistics only include intentional false claims of rapes. It doesn't include claims that are unfounded, where the claim simply can't be demonstrated and the reason for it not being demonstrable can't positively be shown to be intentional lying. People can engage in call kinds of self-deception for all kinds of reasons.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:05
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Drunk Nerds posted:Any ideas on how to keep accused famous people's name out of the media? "[popular celeb] gets taken to court" is like one of the hottest news stories, and people will be clamoring to hear more. I have no idea, to be honest. Better to try than to not though. Unless we make it so no public figure can be accused of a crime, public figures will be accused of crimes--especially when they actually commit crimes. Maybe at best we could keep the details of the accusation out of the media. Defendants really don't have enough of a right to privacy in the current Western legal system. Putting aside rape for a second, any false accusation can be very damaging. At the very least we could spare people the court of public opinion. Report whatever you want after the fact, but only after the facts are in. We expect that of other reporting.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:06
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i take rape on a case by case basis. all women are whores
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Jun 16, 2017 23:06
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Kiryen posted:That's because those statistics only include intentional false claims of rapes. It doesn't include claims that are unfounded, where the claim simply can't be demonstrated and the reason for it not being demonstrable can't positively be shown to be intentional lying. People can engage in call kinds of self-deception for all kinds of reasons. Not all of those claims would be false though, they just couldn't be determined to be true.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:09
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Kiryen posted:That's because those statistics only include intentional false claims of rapes. It doesn't include claims that are unfounded, where the claim simply can't be demonstrated and the reason for it not being demonstrable can't positively be shown to be intentional lying. People can engage in call kinds of self-deception for all kinds of reasons. fruit on the bottom posted:Not all of those claims would be false though, they just couldn't be determined to be true.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:10
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Orkin mang I feel like your initial statement was very strong but I'm not sure where youre going with this follow-up
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Jun 16, 2017 23:10
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fruit on the bottom posted:Not all of those claims would be false though, they just couldn't be determined to be true. Guilty until proven innocent.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:11
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fruit on the bottom posted:Not all of those claims would be false though, they just couldn't be determined to be true. women cannot be trusted. they lie and they lie
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Jun 16, 2017 23:11
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new phone who dis posted:Unless the school administration is running the kangaroo court. Then you'll be found guilty even if you both admit it's consensual. Intoxication is more a mitigating factor than a defense, in my mind. I'm not a lawyer and I have no idea. It seems fair to consider it as a mitigating factor in either case, but not one that excuses you. Honestly I don't know if the legal system can even handle sexual violence. It hasn't proven to be good at it so far. Maybe we just need to raise non-rapists/non-BPD people and hope that helps.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:11
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Yug posted:What are you even talking about? I've been proven right again and again? Yug posted:There are probably way more false accusations than there are actual rapists. It's a sick society. Yug posted:there are thousands more like her the media doesn't cover. It's a much bigger problem than "rape culture" or stupid poo poo like loving "male gaze" that gets way more media attention. Tiny Deer posted:The highest national (I use national to make sure the estimate is at least nominally conservative) estimates of false rape accusations sit at 10%. Let's double that to 20% just to be extremely fair.
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Yug posted:Guilty until proven innocent.
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