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Aren't all tickets in Winnipeg season tickets? In which case wouldn't all of them have been paid for well in advance?
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A Typical Goon posted:Apperently sports teams consider 99% attendance to be a sellout so by that metric they've sold out every single game for the past 6 seasons I think it's fair to say 99% is a sellout given that all the seats are probably sold, but people won't make it for a multitude of reasons. Case in point, one year for the Packers, they had the stadium filled in the playoffs but all of three seats. The ticket holders happened to be in the hospital having a child. You could argue it's not a sellout by the letter, but in the spirit of things it's still a sellout.
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Jun 14, 2017 17:06
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yeah sellouts are different from full attendance. All sellout means is every ticket was purchased.
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Jun 14, 2017 17:07
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Schlesische posted:Aren't all tickets in Winnipeg season tickets? I believe about 1500 tickets are held back for players families and team giveaways and stuff like that, but there are over 13000 season ticket holders. Winnipeg also has some of the most expensive tickets in the league and were eliminated from the playoffs early last season so it's not really surprising they'd have trouble getting rid a bunch of expensive end of season tickets after the Jets have been eliminated
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Jun 14, 2017 17:29
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Kevyn posted:Who says they don't sell out? This has them at over 100% attendance... http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct i didn't realize attendance was that dire for carolina. drat
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Jun 14, 2017 18:23
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a false posted:i didn't realize attendance was that dire for carolina. drat I mean, the way they've been the last few years, would you want to go?
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Jun 14, 2017 18:40
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i'd rather see a mediocre team than a trainwreck, and carolina have been a picture of mediocrity while never quite sinking to the depths of abjection. yet they have been vastly outdrawn by teams that have been completely terrible. so i guess my answer would be, maybe?
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Jun 14, 2017 18:48
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They're also stuck with competing for attention with UNC and Duke basketball, which can't help matters. I don't know how well they market themselves locally
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Jun 14, 2017 18:55
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I think the bottom line is that some parts of the U.S. just can't/won't give a gently caress about hockey. Carolina's attendance was 21st in the league when they won the cup, and has only gotten worse. Compare that to Calgary, who haven't won a cup since 1989, and haven't been past the 2nd round since 2004, but finished 10th in attendance this season even though I suspect much of their fanbase knew they wouldn't go far in the playoffs. Some fans just care more about their local team and winning will only do so much for that, I guess. Conversely some towns are so entrenched their attendance is gonna be good no matter what. The Leafs and Red Wings come to mind.
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Jun 14, 2017 19:59
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A lot of that is caused by people having other things to do, not necessarily hockey. LA is the second biggest market in the US and they've chased off 4 different football teams.
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Jun 15, 2017 01:24
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I want to see MAF and James Neal both end up in Vegas.
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Jun 15, 2017 02:42
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give me the protected list of the Canucks NHL I need a top-up for my seething hatred of Jim Benning
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Jun 16, 2017 04:55
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JawKnee posted:give me the protected list of the Canucks NHL I have it for you: F: Sedin Sedin D: G: Luongo (despite him being long gone)
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Jun 16, 2017 05:17
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a false posted:i didn't realize attendance was that dire for carolina. drat And now you see why Karmanos can't find a buyer willing to keep the Canes in Carolina despite removing the demand that he get to keep control.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:18
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iospace posted:I have it for you: So you're saying Sbisa, Gudbranson, and Sutter are not protected, then? Please. Now I just feel better.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:19
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JawKnee posted:So you're saying Sbisa, Gudbranson, and Sutter are not protected, then? They're not protected, but Vegas declines on them.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:22
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I'm fully expecting Benning to make a deal trading away his first in exchange for Vegas taking no-one, and for the Draft interview with GMGM to go something along the lines of: "Well I'm really glad he offered that, we really didn't want to take anyone from Vancouver and he gave us the perfect out".
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Jun 16, 2017 05:29
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iospace posted:I have it for you: Oh c'mon, Tanev's worth protecting
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Jun 16, 2017 05:30
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iospace posted:They're not protected, but Vegas declines on them. please try to be more realistic, you are breaking ~*my immersion*~
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I think the bottom line is that some parts of the U.S. just can't/won't give a gently caress about hockey. Carolina's attendance was 21st in the league when they won the cup, and has only gotten worse. Compare that to Calgary, who haven't won a cup since 1989, and haven't been past the 2nd round since 2004, but finished 10th in attendance this season even though I suspect much of their fanbase knew they wouldn't go far in the playoffs. Some fans just care more about their local team and winning will only do so much for that, I guess. Conversely some towns are so entrenched their attendance is gonna be good no matter what. The Leafs and Red Wings come to mind. I mean having a team with no sustained success like Carolina doesn't help. Sure they won the cup, then didn't make the playoffs for two years after and that was preceeded by the lockout and two years of not making the postseason. They've since descended into mediocrity without much in the way of bright spots coming in and well... Of course we're at the point where Carolina might actually be poised for some success with Skinner, Aho, Teravainen, Faulk, Darling, Slavin, Hanifin, Pesce, Rask, Lindholm and the room to make some big splashes if they wanted. It'd be the dumbest time to move/sell the team. Then you look at a team like Nashville, not a traditional market and don't have a cup, but they've qualified for the playoffs more often than not after the first few years and have steadily improved as the years have gone on thanks to smart ownership, management, drafting, etc. They've given their fans something to cheer about.
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Jun 16, 2017 06:13
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JawKnee posted:give me the protected list of the Canucks NHL I thought it'd be funny/cruel I'd they didn't have to protect the twins if they only exposed one of them.
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Jun 16, 2017 06:33
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Technetium posted:I mean having a team with no sustained success like Carolina doesn't help. Sure they won the cup, then didn't make the playoffs for two years after and that was preceeded by the lockout and two years of not making the postseason. They've since descended into mediocrity without much in the way of bright spots coming in and well... Of course we're at the point where Carolina might actually be poised for some success with Skinner, Aho, Teravainen, Faulk, Darling, Slavin, Hanifin, Pesce, Rask, Lindholm and the room to make some big splashes if they wanted. It'd be the dumbest time to move/sell the team. With Nashville I think it helps that they have no major sports around them (unless you count the Sounds). As somebody mentioned, The 'Canes have to compete with big time CBB in a CBB-crazy region.
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Jun 17, 2017 01:57
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Nashville has an NFL team.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:37
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Nashville has an NFL team. If someone can list 31 NFL teams, the one they're missing is probably the Titans.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:38
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Spelling Mitsake posted:If someone can list 31 NFL teams, the one they're missing is probably the Titans. When I went to super bowl 50 in SF, we took note of the jerseys kind of like a scavenger hunt. Titans were the only one not seen in 3 days. Next lowest was like 5 Jaguar jerseys but we thought they were being ironic. On our way home we did see a houston oilers jersey and decided to give the franchise some credit.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:42
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Spelling Mitsake posted:If someone can list 31 NFL teams, the one they're missing is probably the Titans. This is exactly what I did, gently caress's sake.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:42
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Ironically, no one can remember the Titans.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:52
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Nashville has an NFL team. Yeah, they're well liked in Nashville, but football season doesn't overlap that much with hockey anyway. Baseball overlaps more (especially since it is on during hockey playoffs), and basketball obviously the most, so markets with baseball and basketball probably affect hockey draws more.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:53
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nashville is a pretty big city with a lot of money that doesn't really have a "team" that they're associated with. so that's a pretty good recipe to build it into a hockey city. I'm like one of three titans fans that exist and i lived in knoxville. vanderbilt has a good football team once in a while and UT is big there but not like it is in east tennessee. carolinas gonna suffer from always being a super distant number 2 behind college basketball. it's one of the reasons i am/was against Seattle having a team but am pro-Vegas, although less so now that the Raiders are moving there. vegas has a chance of being "the team" there but a seattle hockey team will be behind even the MLS in that market. that could be not great.
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Jun 17, 2017 04:35
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Spelling Mitsake posted:If someone can list 31 NFL teams, the one they're missing is probably the Titans. This is true. I also find that the NBA team I forget the most is the Memphis Grizzlies. My brain just likes to pretend Tennessee doesn't exist.
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Jun 17, 2017 06:10
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The Carolinas is college football country. Those fans could care less about hockey. Places like Nashville are music first and the college football thing is a lot less rabid. It's also a city of transplants, unlike the Carolinas which hardly no one moves across the country to other than what, Charleston?
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JollyPubJerk posted:The Carolinas is college football country. Those fans could care less about hockey. Places like Nashville are music first and the college football thing is a lot less rabid. It's also a city of transplants, unlike the Carolinas which hardly no one moves across the country to other than what, Charleston? Don't a lot of people move to Greensboro or Asheville?
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Jun 17, 2017 15:51
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carolina has tons of transplants, lol
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https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/876098726292488193 this god drat team is really gonna protect 4 d huh. have fun in vegas jon
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Jun 17, 2017 16:33
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Aye Doc posted:https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/876098726292488193 I assume they'd trade him before exposing him. Still dumb, but not the dumbest possible option.
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Jun 17, 2017 16:46
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the coyotes have anywhere from 1-3 forward slots so i hope they get something done
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Jun 17, 2017 16:49
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whatis posted:carolina has tons of transplants, lol There's even a running joke that Cary, NC stands for Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees
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Jun 17, 2017 16:49
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whatis posted:carolina has tons of transplants, lol Example A: Charlotte
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Jun 17, 2017 16:57
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i am the bird posted:I assume they'd trade him before exposing him. Still dumb, but not the dumbest possible option. trading Marchy would be good but it seems like he would get some more value after the expansion draft if you just kept him. I would think Marchy has a lot more value to a team who just lost a good piece to the draft instead of a team who is still nailing down their protections I am not really a fan of protecting 4D in any circumstance - forward-wise, you'll likely see Hubes/Barkov/Smith/Trocheck as the 4 protected. Yandle has to be protected and Ekblad will be for sure, the team is huge on Pysyk and it sounds like he is #3. they don't really seem to value Jason Demers because all of the writers close to the team have been saying everything is leaning towards protecting Petrovic over Demers. losing the ability to protect all of Bjugstad + Marchesseault + ______ (ideally Jokinen, realistically Sceviour?, and in the dark world, Cap'n Mac) in order to guarantee the presence of Alex Petrovic sounds kind of ridiculous. and I think Petro is pretty cool, and works out nicely as a 2nd pair guy
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:but a seattle hockey team will be behind even the MLS in that market. that could be not great. lol no it won't
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