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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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From what I've seen, the LE will be $5k more to start, but include the RS package. The dealership I bought my RS at has another two right now for MSRP, and I've been reading some of the higher volume dealers are even going below MSRP.
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Jun 18, 2017 19:02
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xsf421 posted:From what I've seen, the LE will be $5k more to start, but include the RS package. The dealership I bought my RS at has another two right now for MSRP, and I've been reading some of the higher volume dealers are even going below MSRP. Good luck. In other news, CTRs are going for 50k...
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Jun 18, 2017 19:29
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PaintVagrant posted:Good luck. In other news, CTRs are going for 50k... Listed for maybe. No one will pay that.
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Jun 18, 2017 20:23
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Heh, dealers are actually planning on being able to mark the Civic R up. I don't understand who to. Anyone that can afford it is easily too old to want to drive a car that ugly :p While we're on tires, do auto manufacturers just get their tires for next to nothing? The continental 5p that came on my car seems like a great tire, but its loving 300 bucks a pop. I can't imagine VW spends any fraction of the retail price.
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Jun 18, 2017 21:45
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PaintVagrant posted:Good luck. In other news, CTRs are going for 50k... One near me has a $25k added market value, puts it right around $61k. Thats like an additional fully loaded normal civic on top of the price.
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Jun 18, 2017 22:12
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veedubfreak posted:Heh, dealers are actually planning on being able to mark the Civic R up. I don't understand who to. Anyone that can afford it is easily too old to want to drive a car that ugly :p The best part is that money doesn't buy taste  Also, OEM versions of a tire are generally different than the actual ones sold by the tire company.
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Jun 18, 2017 22:37
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BlackMK4 posted:The best part is that money doesn't buy taste But enough about Trump 
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Jun 18, 2017 23:16
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24 hour review, had some serious rain today and I couldn't make the car hydroplane even when I was charging in to puddles trying. Highway manners are great too.BlackMK4 posted:I'm a fan of vocal tires... you can hear them through a helmet
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Jun 18, 2017 23:57
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GutBomb posted:Listed for maybe. No one will pay that. For the exclusivity of a model that will only bring 6k to the States, and the omg type-rrrrr, some people will pay it. They did for the RS.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:22
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:For the exclusivity of a model that will only bring 6k to the States, and the omg type-rrrrr, some people will pay it. They did for the RS. Yeah but this isn't the RS. It's a pre-riced hideous civic. I'm curious to see what the modders do to the car. Will they make it look a bit more restrained?
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Jun 19, 2017 00:23
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I wonder if they'll be more or less stolen than the ITR.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:47
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Any real reasons not to get a '16 RS if I can get it cheap? Except for the early ones blowing motors, and leaking ptus. All that is warrantee anyway. I have a feeling now's the time to get one, Unless the '18s just end up sitting on the Lots too.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:47
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Unsane posted:Any real reasons not to get a '16 RS if I can get it cheap? Except for the early ones blowing motors, and leaking ptus. All that is warrantee anyway. I have a feeling now's the time to get one, Unless the '18s just end up sitting on the Lots too. New or used?
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Jun 19, 2017 01:15
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Yeah the R will sell out comfortably.
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Jun 19, 2017 01:31
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veedubfreak posted:New or used? New, there are a few still sitting on the lot around here.
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Jun 19, 2017 01:59
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Not useful data point, but the first American Type R went for 200K as a donation for pediatric brain cancer. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-honda-civic-type-r-for-charity/
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Jun 19, 2017 02:12
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I'm keen on an RS but something crazy is stirring in the back of my head..... Just how unreliable could I expect a used 2015 Audi S1 to be? Yeah yeah VAG etc but no DSG! I imagine you could tune one to go pretty fast I know ists smaller (like much smaller) then a focus, but that doesn't really concern me. I just want a fun hot hatch again
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Jun 19, 2017 09:20
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fickle poofterist posted:Just how unreliable could I expect a used 2015 Audi S1 to be? Yeah yeah VAG etc but no DSG! I imagine you could tune one to go pretty fast Might not get many answers since lot of the posters here are American and we don't get the Polo/A1 here to really have input on it. That said, it seems like it's basically running the Golf GTI engine and we get that in a lot of forms here across the VW and Audi FWD platforms. It doesn't seem to be horrible in any meaningful way. That engine in such a small car with AWD has to be a rocket off the line. My only question would be what transmission is in use and how much can it hold up to.
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Jun 19, 2017 14:59
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Went to the Firestone shop by my house today. No Indy 500's in stock anywhere that they can get.
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Jun 19, 2017 16:30
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fknlo posted:Went to the Firestone shop by my house today. No Indy 500's in stock anywhere that they can get. discount tire direct? they are the way to go for cheap tires, just hold out for a holiday sale
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Jun 19, 2017 16:46
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BraveUlysses posted:discount tire direct? they are the way to go for cheap tires, just hold out for a holiday sale They don't list them in my size at all on their site. Tirerack is back ordered too. I figured an actual Firestone store would be my best bet but was wrong.
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Jun 19, 2017 19:06
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Guess you're just going to have to get a set of Cup 2s. 
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Jun 19, 2017 21:25
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I swear this is an honest question and I'm not trying to troll, but is there a point where the tires you put on a car outperform what the car is capable of? I've pretty much only considered tire differences on higher performance cars, where more grip is almost always a good thing. But, if we're talking about a stock GTI is there a big benefit going with the stickiest tire you can? It seems like I read a thing about the FRS where they were talking about the "prius tires" it supposedly came with and that it was better to have those tires because if you put bigger tires on with more grip, it made the car less fun. Is this a difference between FWD and RWD? Someone educate me.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:40
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:I swear this is an honest question and I'm not trying to troll, but is there a point where the tires you put on a car outperform what the car is capable of? I've pretty much only considered tire differences on higher performance cars, where more grip is almost always a good thing. But, if we're talking about a stock GTI is there a big benefit going with the stickiest tire you can? I'm doing the same research now about my brz and initially I didn't like the tires that came on the car (I used to have super sticky tires on my e30) but I really like how predictable the "Prius tires" are, and unless I supercharg the car soon, I think I'll end up with something similar!
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Jun 19, 2017 21:56
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:I swear this is an honest question and I'm not trying to troll, but is there a point where the tires you put on a car outperform what the car is capable of? I've pretty much only considered tire differences on higher performance cars, where more grip is almost always a good thing. But, if we're talking about a stock GTI is there a big benefit going with the stickiest tire you can? You're just going to make the car less fun to gently caress around with, at least in the case of a RWD car. FWD might be less fun too, I don't know, but a stock GTI will benefit from nice tires.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:02
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Stickier tires will make the car faster around the track. Crappier tires will make the car easier to drift / break the wheels loose, reach the limits of.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:53
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KillHour posted:Stickier tires will make the car faster around the track. Crappier tires will make the car easier to drift / break the wheels loose, reach the limits of. The first time I got cheap tires for my e46 I could feel the difference immediately and hated it. But we're talking about a FWD car with 220hp here.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:20
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I've honestly never been able to push any tire past it's point of no return, but then again I don't track the car, and only drive at about 75% rear end in a top hat when on the streets.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:39
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I want some tires that keep my traction control from constantly kicking on in straight line acceleration. Taking turns at ludicrous speed because you have good tires is also fun.
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Jun 20, 2017 00:21
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There is something to be said for the fun of having worse tires on a low-powered RWD vehicle. When I test drove a BRZ that thing just wanted to get sideways in the best way. My E46 as well was stupidly fun to burn off the winter tires in when I knew I wasn't going to put another season on 'em. Basically reduced traction with a low-powered RWD is slow motion virtual horsepower. Chris Harris demonstrates here it works just fine with high powered RWD as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPh90yNX-mY That said it doesn't really apply to FWD the same way. The front wheels are already often hunting for traction and the fun part with RWD is the back end stepping out. There's also the legitimate point to be made that while the reduced traction can be more exciting it's also objectively less safe as it limits your ability to perform evasive maneuvers. To me the only "too much tire" criteria as far as street tires go is when the wear rate is bad and the vehicle isn't used on the track. Other than that I say get the best ones you can afford that make sense for the way the vehicle is used.
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Jun 20, 2017 01:08
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When I'm anywhere that isn't meant for doing dumb poo poo with my car, I want all the traction possible all the time. This means using the best tires I can reasonably afford for street use, and not turning the traction control off. Anything less is stupid. There are places to have fun and do foolish poo poo, but it doesn't belong on public roads ever.
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Jun 20, 2017 01:41
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thats why i drive a fit on hoosiers daily
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Jun 20, 2017 02:21
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Doesn't uh, braking performance also depend on tires? Like good tires mean you stop sooner?
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Jun 20, 2017 19:44
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It's ok to go a bit too fast into turns (when safe, no traffic) to see where your car's limits are. It's also good to practice moose swerves in unfamiliar cars, if you're not confident in what your car is capable of at that speed you can get yourself into a shitload of trouble reeeeeeal quick. Knowing how hard I could swerve at 60mph+ has saved me from really nasty accidents at least three times so far, probably saved my life in one case. Or you can just panic and slam on the brakes and get hosed by your insurance company regardless of fault.
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Jun 20, 2017 19:48
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KakerMix posted:Doesn't uh, braking performance also depend on tires? Like good tires mean you stop sooner? Yes, of course. Any car that's not a total pile of poo poo or absurdly over-tired is limited in braking performance by its tires, at least the first time. If you stomp on your brakes at speed you should get lockup or ABS engagement. The limits of the brakes themselves come in with repeated use over a short period of time, like being on a race track or maintaining speed down a hill.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:54
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Braking distance is why those Prius tires scare me.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:08
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I almost wrecked a BMW i3 during a test drive because i didn't take into account that the bicycle tires would perform much worse then normal when braking (was snowy, non-studded winter tires). Came up on a 90 degree turn a bit too quick and plowed straight into the (shallow) ditch. Managed to back it out again and the dealer was none the wiser. Good thing i didn't have a rep with me.
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Jun 20, 2017 23:59
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Pryor on Fire posted:It's ok to go a bit too fast into turns (when safe, no traffic) to see where your car's limits are. It's also good to practice moose swerves in unfamiliar cars, if you're not confident in what your car is capable of at that speed you can get yourself into a shitload of trouble reeeeeeal quick. Knowing how hard I could swerve at 60mph+ has saved me from really nasty accidents at least three times so far, probably saved my life in one case. Just bear in mind if you successfully avoid an accident that would be the other driver's fault but end up in a ditch that liability decision is going to be against you.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:02
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I think I'm going with avoiding accidents as a reflex, and not thinking about it much past that.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:19
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wolrah posted:Yes, of course. Any car that's not a total pile of poo poo or absurdly over-tired is limited in braking performance by its tires, at least the first time. If you stomp on your brakes at speed you should get lockup or ABS engagement. The limits of the brakes themselves come in with repeated use over a short period of time, like being on a race track or maintaining speed down a hill. Right yeah this is what I thought. It was just weird that the whole conversation was about performance outside of stopping. Going fast is cool but useless without being able to stop once you are there, like when people talk about having four wheel drive in winter. Yes you can get going much easier with four wheel but you can't stop any better than someone with two wheel drive.
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