|
FizFashizzle posted:Cruise Missiles aren't considered ballistic. oh right, they fly straight to a mother fucker. edit: For the record, this feels like a stupid thing to split hairs over. The US drops loving sick ordnance all the time it having to be fired in an arc just feels unnecessary. FizFashizzle posted:Iran isn't a rogue nation, whatever that even means. I meant, "rogue state" which any state flippantly pursuing nuclear weapons qualifies for in my book. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jun 19, 2017 |
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 02:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 15:52 |
|
|
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/876616061671673856
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:00
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:
But they're not, nor have they ever really needed to. cefte.txt
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:02
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:I meant, "rogue state" which any state flippantly pursuing nuclear weapons qualifies for in my book. So... not Iran then?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:03
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:Iranian Ballistic Missiles? Pretty sure we launched a fuckload of cruise missiles like 2 months ago, tops. FizFashizzle posted:Cruise Missiles aren't considered ballistic. Yep. Times Of Israel says they're Shahab-3 medium-range ballistic missiles and that it's the first time that Iran has performed a combat launch since the Iran-Iraq war. The Shahab-3 is claimed to have a range of 1200km. https://twitter.com/AbasAslani/status/876520907354853377 If you don't remember, the Shahab-3 was the missile that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards made a big spectacle over with photoshopping of it's tests and Israel made a big fuss over because the Iranians could deploy nuclear warheads with them. They seem to be a real thing and not a theory as well as have a combat record. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jun 19, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:03
|
|
|
I'd consider a country like Pakistan more of a rogue state than Iran but WDIK.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:04
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:But they're not, nor have they ever really needed to. Is that where we are now? Iran has no nuclear weapons program and never did?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:07
|
|
|
Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'd consider a country like Pakistan more of a rogue state than Iran but WDIK. Neither countries are "rogue states". Iran is a near global power and tying desperately to exert their influence over their region, as they have been doing since the 1980's and, with the help of Russia, will continue. Invading Iraq in 2003 upset this precarious balance and we continue to see the consequences. Obviously the roots of this conflict go back much father, but we've seen an acceleration of power-plays since. We are in the aftermath of a cold war that was declared won by the West, specifically the US, but it turns out the US has been losing for awhile now. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jun 19, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:09
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:Is that where we are now? Iran has no nuclear weapons program and never did? More knowledgeable people than I have opined that Iran only ever seriously pursued nuclear A) power and B) latency. The former would give them a fuckton more oil money to throw around in the medium term and the latter is obviously not amazing, but they were and are (well, maybe just were until very recently  ) apparently willing to trade B for A.Edit: Kaddish, presumably you mean the 1980s BC
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:11
|
|
|
GreyjoyBastard posted:Edit: Kaddish, presumably you mean the 1980s BC I'm not including Persia in this scenario if that's what you're getting at.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:13
|
|
|
Kaddish posted:I'm not including Persia in this scenario if that's what you're getting at. It is but I was being a funnyman and it's not really that relevant to the topic.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:14
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:Is that where we are now? Iran has no nuclear weapons program and never did? Personally I take more umbrage with your use of the word 'flippantly'. As Greyjoy pointed out, Iran never seriously pursued a significant nuclear weapons program. The simplest proof of this is in the pudding. North Korea and Pakistan both pursued and successfully developed nuclear weapons programs during the same period right wing hawks claim Iran was developing them. Iran is more competent than North Korea, if they wanted them, they'd have them. Even beyond that, the idea that Iran would be so evil for pursuing proliferation is hypocritical, particularly when you claim it is 'flippant', as if defense for such a country is a non-issue. The US has been saber rattling against Iran for the better part of my lifetime, and history has proven that even if Iran completely dismantled any and all weapons programs, that would not stop the US from claiming they had them anyways. Considering their geopolitical foes, it is actually more shocking that Iran has not developed a functional bomb.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:17
|
|
|
Not out of character for the Daily Mail but still. https://twitter.com/KeeganNYC/status/876621538853781505
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:22
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:Iran isn't a rogue nation, whatever that even means. From a page ago, but wasn't Iran part of the Axis Of Evil? I'm sure that would resonate mopre in the mind of the average American than a fact. Sounds sheepish and lame, but that's where we are.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:26
|
|
|
Bogatyr posted:Not out of character for the Daily Mail but still. This actually seems accurate according to CNN. Apparently it was a gathering place for militants? Not sure if that's true now but it was at one point in the past. And Abu Hamza is serving a life sentence for supporting Al Qaeda so....
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:30
|
|
|
TOOT BOOT posted:This actually seems accurate according to CNN. Apparently it was a gathering place for militants? Not sure if that's true now but it was at one point in the past. And Abu Hamza is serving a life sentence for supporting Al Qaeda so.... This may come as a surprise to you, but this framing after a terror attack is fairly disgusting. Especially since Mr Hamza is no longer there.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:33
|
|
|
TOOT BOOT posted:This actually seems accurate according to CNN. Apparently it was a gathering place for militants? Not sure if that's true now but it was at one point in the past. And Abu Hamza is serving a life sentence for supporting Al Qaeda so.... The wikipedia article seems to indicate that the mosque is now governed by a different group after Abu Hamza was arrested. Maybe they have cleaned up their act since then so it could just be a regular 'ol mosque now. But I have no context on the area or its history so that may be way off.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:34
|
|
|
At least they acknowledged that the driver was white right in the headline.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:35
|
|
|
Paddy Dinham
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:35
|
|
|
Data Graham posted:At least they acknowledged that the driver was white right in the headline. I honestly can't tell if its referring to the color of skin or the van.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:36
|
|
|
I might still not be woke wrt Iran, you guys.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:38
|
|
|
GreyjoyBastard posted:This may come as a surprise to you, but this framing after a terror attack is fairly disgusting. It's like reporting about an attack in Berlin and referring to it in the title as "The City Where Hitler used to Reign".
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:40
|
|
|
My understanding is the mosque is run by a completely different group top-to-bottom, and has been for at least 10 years. The Mail is race-baiting.
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:40
|
|
|
TOOT BOOT posted:This actually seems accurate according to CNN. Apparently it was a gathering place for militants? Not sure if that's true now but it was at one point in the past. And Abu Hamza is serving a life sentence for supporting Al Qaeda so.... would it have been ok to reference steve scalise's history with white supremacist groups in headlines when he was shot
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:41
|
|
|
Ralepozozaxe posted:It's like reporting about an attack in Berlin and referring to it in the title as "The City Where Hitler used to Reign". I was pondering some sort of tortured IRA analogy but this is better.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:41
|
|
|
A couple of ballistic missiles aren't going to do much, and they aren't all that accurate. But if you're Iran and you want to make a statement, lobbing some at a known ISIS territory is a good idea. At least the risk of hitting one of the other big power's personnel or BFF's is minimized.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:43
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:A rogue nation has fired cruise missiles through the air spaces of a US regional military ally. Oh, almost forgot this one. Iraq is also an Iranian regional military ally.  if anything they're closer to Iran than to us
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:44
|
|
|
Nothus posted:A couple of ballistic missiles aren't going to do much, and they aren't all that accurate. But if you're Iran and you want to make a statement, lobbing some at a known ISIS territory is a good idea. At least the risk of hitting one of the other big power's personnel or BFF's is minimized. It's also a way to test some procedures and gain experience for your troops. Im sure Iran has a lot of reasons to flex, considering Saudi's growing power
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:47
|
|
|
Chilichimp posted:I meant, "rogue state" which any state flippantly pursuing nuclear weapons qualifies for in my book. Ah, so the US then Bogatyr posted:Not out of character for the Daily Mail but still. Is the van white or is the driver white?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:51
|
|
|
skylined! posted:would it have been ok to reference steve scalise's history with white supremacist groups in headlines when he was shot Sure, why not? When Bill Cosby dies is it okay if the article just talks about his standup years and the Cosby show?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 03:58
|
|
|
Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Ah, so the US then The drivers white. The police are being mum while they figure out what happened which makes sense. There was at least one media report indicating the driver intentionally targeted the worshipers and attacked people once he got out of his van. But that's still not confirmed.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:07
|
|
|
Eeyo posted:The wikipedia article seems to indicate that the mosque is now governed by a different group after Abu Hamza was arrested. Maybe they have cleaned up their act since then so it could just be a regular 'ol mosque now. But I have no context on the area or its history so that may be way off. No, you're right. You have no loving context, but your still talking out of your rear end.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:12
|
|
|
Kaddish posted:Neither countries are "rogue states". Iran is a near global power and tying desperately to exert their influence over their region, as they have been doing since the 1980's and, with the help of Russia, will continue. Invading Iraq in 2003 upset this precarious balance and we continue to see the consequences. Obviously the roots of this conflict go back much father, but we've seen an acceleration of power-plays since. Invading Iraq in 2003 was probably one of the best things that could happen to Iran in a long time. Saddam was Iran's mortal enemy and we took him out. Then a Shia dominated government took over that was very friendly to Iran. The "Shia crescent" didn't used to include Iraq, but it does now very much.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:17
|
|
|
Charliegrs posted:Invading Iraq in 2003 was probably one of the best things that could happen to Iran in a long time. Saddam was Iran's mortal enemy and we took him out. Then a Shia dominated government took over that was very friendly to Iran. The "Shia crescent" didn't used to include Iraq, but it does now very much. And now we have a President who literally doesn't know the difference between a Shiite and Sunni. Of course we may have already had that in W as well but who knows.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:21
|
|
|
Shimrra Jamaane posted:And now we have a President who literally doesn't know the difference between a Shiite and Sunni. He's probably very much like the average american in that regard, to be fair.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:26
|
|
|
TOOT BOOT posted:Sure, why not? When Bill Cosby dies is it okay if the article just talks about his standup years and the Cosby show? ya ok it was a bad analogy but your question is also not analogous. still inappropriate to throw in obvious bait with a developing story, as until shown otherwise these were a bunch of innocent people.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:27
|
|
|
Sir Tonk posted:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/dinner-with-president-trump-sweepstakes-june-2017/ Holy poo poo how is this loving real?   Ffs Trump, you're the god drat President, act like one! Jesus Christ, I need a drink...
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:28
|
|
|
Caros posted:Personally I take more umbrage with your use of the word 'flippantly'. The Iranian clerical establishment started the saber rattling first, fwiw. Much like with Saddam, things would've been substantially less toxic with them if they hadn't been so antagonistic to not just the US, but the UN and the Western world regarding the nuclear issue. Ahmadinejad almost seemed to relish the negative attention. His brand of right wing populism in a lot of ways is similar to Trumps.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:29
|
|
|
Teriyaki Koinku posted:Holy poo poo how is this loving real? That's actually a pretty standard fundraising gimmick. At one point Hillary was raising money by a "win a lottery to have dinner with Hillary and then see Hamilton" event. It's only laughable because no moral person should want to be in the same room with Donald by choice.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 15:52 |
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's actually a pretty standard fundraising gimmick. At one point Hillary was raising money by a "win a lottery to have dinner with Hillary and then see Hamilton" event. It's still a drat dinner date with Trump.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 04:34
|
|