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Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



5th

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
HM: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

Akileese
Feb 6, 2005

Baron Corbyn posted:

HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
HM: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

Yes to all of these.

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


So we're not even half way done the year and this has to be up there with one of the best years for overall match quality right? Just so much amazing wrestling taking place all over the world

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

SatoshiMiwa posted:

So we're not even half way done the year and this has to be up there with one of the best years for overall match quality right? Just so much amazing wrestling taking place all over the world

I like to use the Cagematch Top 100 matches for reference

https://www.cagematch.net//?id=111&view=list&sortby=colRating&sorttype=DESC

Number of matches in the Top 100 by year:

2017 - 6
2016 - 9
2015 - 6
2014 - 5
2013 - 4
2012 - 5
2011 - 1
2010 - 2
2009 - 4
2008 - 3
2007 - 4
2006 - 4
2005 - 7
2004 - 7
2003 - 4
2002 - 2
2001 - 3
2000 - 2
1999 - 1
1998 - 1
1997 - 4
1996 - 0
1995 - 1
1994 - 7
1993 - 2
1992 - 1
1991 - 1
1990 - 1
1989 - 3

And there were none before 1989. 2017's total doesn't include ratings from Dominion, but I'm assuming Omega-Okada II will bring it up to 7 for the year.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

SatoshiMiwa posted:

So we're not even half way done the year and this has to be up there with one of the best years for overall match quality right? Just so much amazing wrestling taking place all over the world

Not even close. In the mid 90s you had AJPW and AJW providing amazing matches all the time (and someone like Toyota was doing it on the house shows!) Mexico was on fire, the NJPW jrs were fantastic and you had RINGS and UWFi doing lots of cool stuff too. While we have lots of indies now, we had as many major groups putting out that kind of quality while putting on more major shows.

Non-mainstream US wrestling is more accessible to Westerners right now so more English speaking fans are aware of what's out there, but the economy of wrestling just can't compete with the 90s.

Pinche Rudo
Feb 8, 2005

HM: Naito - Tanahashi NJPW Dominion 6-11-17
MOTYC: Okada-Omega II NJPW Dominion 6-11-17

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

MOTYC: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

Takuan
May 6, 2007

HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
MOTYC: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
HM: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

YourHumbleMessiah
Oct 11, 2005




HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
HM: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

All of this, I dont know if I can handle Okada/Omega III

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.
HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

I haven't watched the rest of the show yet, but holy poo poo. I thought the IC title match was incredible but the main event was something else.

Price Check
Oct 9, 2012

NienNunb posted:

HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada

N'thing these nominations.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


NienNunb posted:

HM: Young Bucks vs. Roppongi Vice
HM: Minoru Suzuki vs. Hirooki Goto
MOTYC: Hiromu Takahashi vs. KUSHIDA
MOTYC: Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Tetsuya Naito
MOTYC: Kenny Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada
just got caught up with dominion and this is the combo for me, nth all of that

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
MOTYC:

CARÍSTICO Y SOBERANO
vs
ÚLTIMO GUERRERO Y SANSÓN

6/16, Finals of the CMLL Gran Alternativa tournament. Super heat, some mind blowing spots and even some great strike exchanges. Awesome stuff, should be easy to find on youtube tomorrow, watch it.

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca

MassRafTer posted:

MOTYC:

CARÍSTICO Y SOBERANO
vs
ÚLTIMO GUERRERO Y SANSÓN

6/16, Finals of the CMLL Gran Alternativa tournament. Super heat, some mind blowing spots and even some great strike exchanges. Awesome stuff, should be easy to find on youtube tomorrow, watch it.

Seconded. Soberano Jr. is tremendous and he's not even 24 yet.

Here's the link, official and legal from CMLL (timestamps - 1:50:40 for entrances, 1:56:45 for the start of the match itself)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Tck9D-Kz4&t=6640s

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I imagine there'll be a lot of disagreement about this:

WMOTYC: The First Ever Women's MITB Ladder match

The ending was hilarious and got a huge pop but it was also loving terrible, undercut the entire message WWE had been pushing including their very good video package at the start of the match, and basically made the Smackdown Women's Division look like a joke. The actual bulk of the match was a mess but entertaining at least, but the ending just completely derailed everything.

Mukaikubo
Mar 14, 2006

"You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."

Jerusalem posted:

I imagine there'll be a lot of disagreement about this:

WMOTYC: The First Ever Women's MITB Ladder match

The ending was hilarious and got a huge pop but it was also loving terrible, undercut the entire message WWE had been pushing including their very good video package at the start of the match, and basically made the Smackdown Women's Division look like a joke. The actual bulk of the match was a mess but entertaining at least, but the ending just completely derailed everything.

second

Bard Maddox
Feb 15, 2012

I'm just a sick guy, I'm really just a dirty guy.
WMOTYC: Naomi vs. Lana, WWE Money in the Bank, 6/18/17

holy poo poo

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

WMOTYC: Randy Orton vs Jinder Mahal, WWE Money in the Bank 2017 18/06/17

Good Elements: Jinder has sick music

Bad Elements: Literally everything else


Jerusalem posted:

I imagine there'll be a lot of disagreement about this:

WMOTYC: The First Ever Women's MITB Ladder match

The ending was hilarious and got a huge pop but it was also loving terrible, undercut the entire message WWE had been pushing including their very good video package at the start of the match, and basically made the Smackdown Women's Division look like a joke. The actual bulk of the match was a mess but entertaining at least, but the ending just completely derailed everything.

Thirded


Bard Maddox posted:

WMOTYC: Naomi vs. Lana, WWE Money in the Bank, 6/18/17

holy poo poo


Seconded

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Bard Maddox posted:

WMOTYC: Naomi vs. Lana, WWE Money in the Bank, 6/18/17

holy poo poo

Third, that match was an insanely bad idea.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Updated OP with the two new Worst Match of the Year Contenders from MITB, and a couple of backdated Dominion HMs. Also upgraded KUSHIDA vs Takahashi from HM to MOTYC.

ICR
Dec 31, 2008

Bard Maddox posted:

WMOTYC: Naomi vs. Lana, WWE Money in the Bank, 6/18/17

holy poo poo

Thirding. Watching some matches right now for what I missed and this just felt so unbelievable. Awful, awful, awful chemistry together.

Cardboard Box
Jul 14, 2009

Jerusalem posted:

I imagine there'll be a lot of disagreement about this:

WMOTYC: The First Ever Women's MITB Ladder match

The ending was hilarious and got a huge pop but it was also loving terrible, undercut the entire message WWE had been pushing including their very good video package at the start of the match, and basically made the Smackdown Women's Division look like a joke. The actual bulk of the match was a mess but entertaining at least, but the ending just completely derailed everything.

yea

Bard Maddox posted:

WMOTYC: Naomi vs. Lana, WWE Money in the Bank, 6/18/17

holy poo poo

yea

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
HMOTY: Money in the Bank Match - Fun ladder match with some pretty gnarly spots. AJ and Nakamura had a fun exchange.

I would confirm Naomi/Lana for WMOTYC but Bayley/Alexa Bliss really lowered the bar this year.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Jerusalem posted:

Updated OP with the two new Worst Match of the Year Contenders from MITB, and a couple of backdated Dominion HMs. Also upgraded KUSHIDA vs Takahashi from HM to MOTYC.

I think you missed Naito/Tanahashi in the MOTYCs and have the MitB matches listed as happening on 6/11.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Baron Corbyn posted:

I think you missed Naito/Tanahashi in the MOTYCs and have the MitB matches listed as happening on 6/11.

I did and I did, thanks and fixed now.

Cardboard Box
Jul 14, 2009

Armitage posted:

HMOTY: Money in the Bank Match - Fun ladder match with some pretty gnarly spots. AJ and Nakamura had a fun exchange.

even though baron corbin won i will say it was a very excellent match

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

3rd. It ramped up real strong towards the end and I dug the final result.

mkay0
Nov 7, 2003

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher
2010, watch it go to fire
I'll go a fourth. Pretty standard stuff before Nakamura came back, but it was great from then on.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

Y'all that match was not HM worthy at all lmao

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"

It's ok to like a match

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
HM: Men's MITB match (as mentioned, went from good to great once Nak came back)
WMOTYC: Naomi/Lana (exactly as terrible as we all predicted, and Lana is painfully not ready for this spot.)
WMOTYC: Women's MITB match (They built this up as a huge, historic, game-changing moment ... and then pissed it away with a joke winner that will almost certainly be retconned on Tuesday. Inexcusable.)

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

Beef Jerky Robot posted:

It's ok to like a match

source?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Cardboard Box posted:

even though baron corbin won i will say it was a very excellent match

I think you wrote "even though" where you meant to write "because"

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"


I cant reveal my sources at this time, thank you for understanding

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
HM: Atlantis vs Hechicero, CMLL Arena Puebla 6/19

It feels like Atlantis is working harder and harder as the year progresses.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
WATCH THIS MATCH. At least watch the third fall.

HM: Barbaro Cavernario vs Volador Jr, CMLL 6/20 Arena Mexico

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lacAUH-C4nc&t=6944s

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca

MassRafTer posted:

WATCH THIS MATCH. At least watch the third fall.

HM: Barbaro Cavernario vs Volador Jr, CMLL 6/20 Arena Mexico

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lacAUH-C4nc&t=6944s
Seconded.

Barbaro please stop jumping from the post too the floor even if it looks so cool

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Every time I see Barbaro is still able to walk, let alone wrestle, I'm surprised.

Match was fun though, don't know if I'd call it a HM but that may largely because I'm unfamiliar with the product or the live experience with all the horns constantly blaring etc, which was kinda distracting.

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