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I gotta vote for A.
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B Vote Count so far... A: 14 B: 13 C: 1 D: 3 Dead heat. Advantage A, don't vote for D over B to help the NRWR...
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Jun 19, 2017 03:10
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I gotta go D cause I don't want all the work the goons did on Andurien to go to waste. Finish the Fight brave Demon Hawks and Cyber-Rimworlders.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:14
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DatonKallandor posted:I gotta go D cause I don't want all the work the goons did on Andurien to go to waste. Finish the Fight brave Demon Hawks and Cyber-Rimworlders. This is the main thing keeping me from just slam dunk voting for B right now. 
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Jun 19, 2017 03:19
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Zaodai posted:This is the main thing keeping me from just slam dunk voting for B right now. Then I will. Voting B to tie it up.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:20
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I feel like one of the possibilities for B failing the vote is Far Country
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Jun 19, 2017 03:22
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dis astranagant posted:I feel like one of the possibilities for B failing the vote is Far Country To be honest, that's first thing that came to mind when I read about the possibility of a misjump.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:27
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dis astranagant posted:I feel like one of the possibilities for B failing the vote is Far Country I feel like it is one of the possibilities of B winning too. Who knows what dice rolls PTN does in the background? 
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Jun 19, 2017 03:30
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Let's see where B takes us. SQUAWK
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Jun 19, 2017 03:39
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Aw crap i can't choose
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Jun 19, 2017 03:40
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Ooh, this is good. Real good. A
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Jun 19, 2017 03:40
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Voting A, it's time to take back my home planet and dig up the sanguine corpse.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:40
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Xarbala posted:Aw crap i can't choose Vote B. Deus Vult!
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Jun 19, 2017 03:42
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I just can't not vote for the deep strike raid. B
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Jun 19, 2017 03:43
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kingcom posted:Voting A, it's time to take back my home planet and dig up the sanguine corpse. 
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Jun 19, 2017 03:45
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Gotta go in for A.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:52
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B. Show the Clans they are not safe anywhere.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:56
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It's been approximately 5 years, 4 months since the Counting Coup scenario ended. It's time for a recount.  Voting A.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:04
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Better B-lieve that I want that Long Jump mission
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Jun 19, 2017 04:07
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Go for B, I always love it when somebody reminds the Clans that war is not a happy fun game of counting coup, and this seems like the mother of all missions to do so.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:12
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I love the Draconis Suns idea, so I gotta support it. A It's like this. The original timeline Federated Commonwealth seemed like a good idea that could have worked....but ultimately fell apart because of lovely leadership. In THIS timeline, we have the Draconis Suns which sounds like an idea doomed from the start...so if we can provide the leadership that let's it succeed against all odds, how cool would THAT be?
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Jun 19, 2017 04:17
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Cyborgs and Demons going ham on clanners? D
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Jun 19, 2017 04:27
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It's a super close vote so I'm gonna lobby for A again. We haven't done too much with the DS for a while, and there's a lot of interesting stuff to mine there. If you're thinking of voting for B to stick it to the Clans - which is understandable - A would stick it to them too, in a proper, less questionable way. A stand-up fight with a lot of potential for interesting tension between units and some combined-arms mayhem, all on a battlefield where the thread had some of its most famous moments. If you're really digging the NRWR and want to avenge Amaris, then you want D. Same if you liked the Demon Hawks a lot and that's why you're pro-NRWR, because they might show up again on D. Could B end up being an interesting scenario in a gameplay sense? Sure. PTN's not gonna make a bad scenario. He's good at this. Is it easy to look at it and go "this is a batshit crazy plan and it shows us somewhere we haven't seen?" Sure. And it's not like a vote for a LP thread on an internet comedy forum is going to make anyone a bad person or anything. And it's understandable that the most "stick it to the Clans" option is popular, because, well, people want to stick it to them. I'm not exactly rooting for them to win either. But this is so obviously the beginning of a big heel turn for the NRWR, where we see not only how creative their plans are, but how underhanded and downright brutal they're willing to be. It is the gazing into the abyss and it gazing back. B is not just a daring ploy to cripple the Clans, it's changing the rules. It's not just about factories and politics and taking control of land or citizens, it's about aiming to destroy a culture. Not seizing anything but crippling; not claiming dominion over but reducing to a pre-industrial society, punishing not just the warriors and Khans but everyone down to the laborers. It's going back to a First Succession War kind of thinking. It is taking a society and leaving it to rot as one that will have to transition quickly across the board, from feeding the population to medicine to government. Again, Amaris' words: "I just want the Homeworld Clan society reduced to an agrarian one." The literal best case is being cut off from the rest of known space for literal centuries unless someone comes looking for them, with a massively reduced population and a dead culture sitting in the wreckage of the SLDF's last gasp. Again, best case. It's not quite Galedon, Galax or Alarion during the Jihad, no. It probably doesn't rate with Kentares. But, it's arguably more morally bankrupt than what Amaris' forces did during the Coup when they retreated from worlds in the wake of the SLDF's advance, and that's some of the worst poo poo the original RWR did in the original timeline (and presumably in this one too). And we, the thread, would be the ones helping to carry out Amaris the Younger's mission in his own words. So, you know, think about all that before you vote.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:35
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This is the hardest vote so far. But it's father's day so voting D for King Dadlas. Any choice here is a winner though.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:35
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This is Battletech. We should be doing war crimes. On the Clans.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:38
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Skoll posted:This is Battletech. We should be doing war crimes. On the Clans. I mean, I'll give you credit, that's definitely an opinion.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:43
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Skoll posted:This is Battletech. We should be doing war crimes. On the Clans. The Clans that, in this same vote, have a plan on the table to come in and brutalize everyone in the Inner Sphere, including the Clans that are already there. The Clans in this timeline aren't very nice people, and they were already kinda dicks.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:56
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gently caress the Clans D
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Jun 19, 2017 04:57
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To be fair, it's entirely possible that the players would be given the roles of the defending Clansmen trying to preserve their culture from the depredations of the vicious Amaris war criminals rather than the vicious Amaris war criminals trying to end Clan society. By this logic, a vote for D could be a vote for trying to kill the Demon Hawks and now I kind of hope that happens sometime to see the thread debating whether or not it is morally acceptable to throw the match.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:58
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Voting A. This was a super difficult decision, but Luthien 2: Davion-Kurita Boogaloo seemed most appropriate after the political vote. Maybe we can even see Minobu again.
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Jun 19, 2017 04:59
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B although this was a hard choice
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Jun 19, 2017 05:01
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Fraction Jackson posted:An impassioned plea regarding potential genocide Goddamn, you have solidly convinced me like no other poster here has. Voting B. gently caress the Clans
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Jun 19, 2017 05:04
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W.T. Fits posted:It's been approximately 5 years, 4 months since the Counting Coup scenario ended. Goddammit you beat me to that one-liner.  Still voting A, though.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:04
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Zaodai posted:The Clans that, in this same vote, have a plan on the table to come in and brutalize everyone in the Inner Sphere, including the Clans that are already there. Ah yes, the well-known corollary to the Ares Conventions where nothing matters if the enemy "are kinda dicks". I mean not that the Ares Conventions actually matter anyway, but, you know. DivineCoffeeBinge posted:To be fair, it's entirely possible that the players would be given the roles of the defending Clansmen trying to preserve their culture from the depredations of the vicious Amaris war criminals rather than the vicious Amaris war criminals trying to end Clan society. This is definitely true, although some people are voting for B specifically because they want to warcrimes the Clans, which is the attitude that I'm questioning here.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:06
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Pretty sure the Clans didn't sign the Ares Conventions anyway? Do we even know if it happened in this timeline? [EDIT] And the counter to your moral argument regarding the PLAYERS wanting to vote for it is "It's just a game, we're not actually war-criming anyone." Zaodai fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 05:09
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A We shall avenge the bravest little office chair.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:11
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The Ares Conventions significantly pre-date the Exodus. The SLDF also never really gave much of a gently caress about them, and the Clans (despite them, ironically, being basically the platonic ideal of the Conventions' terms) don't either.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:11
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Strobe posted:The Ares Conventions significantly pre-date the Exodus. Yeah, but the Clans aren't the SLDF anymore. 
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Jun 19, 2017 05:12
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The Ares Conventions were like early Star League guidelines-of-honor stuff that predate the Succession Wars, which is what people usually think of when imagining a time when having agreed-upon rules of conduct for warfare probably would've been nice.
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Zaodai posted:Pretty sure the Clans didn't sign the Ares Conventions anyway? Do we even know if it happened in this timeline? I have no idea, and it wouldn't matter anyway since no one ever follows them, just seemed a funny way of pushing back against "well if they're jerks then it's cool". Not that I think people voting for fake fictional warcrimes in a game means they're cool with actual warcrimes, because that would be an insane thing for me to think, but it's fun to argue like it's somehow meaningful. mercenarynuker posted:Goddamn, you have solidly convinced me like no other poster here has. Voting B. gently caress the Clans I mean I appreciate the honesty. Can't fault you for that.
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