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I can't help but laugh, in Marseille, the first MP of Comorian descent was elected... for LREM. wonder what he thought of Macron's joke
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Even if Valls won, he would be a powerless backbencher, no? On the other hand, I'm sure he already has a profitable corporate job lined up. Really, seems like him winning will be the bigger punishment.
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if macron has any political acumen (and he seems to have some) he will want nothing to do with valls, yeah, useless backbencher it is.
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results are in for Mélenchon http://www.francetvinfo.fr/elections/resultats/bouches-du-rhone_13/marseille_13000#type=legislative&year=2017&circo=04 he won against LREM with 59% of the votes! I'm glad he won with a bigger margin then le pen did in her circo
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All the results are in!!! save for the 11 circo for residents abroad  gotta wait tomorrow for those  not staying up waiting for them lol. all in all i'm glad we got a group, that the fn did bad and that lrem has a smaller majority than predicted (still an absolute huge one) Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Kurtofan posted:If I understand the situation correctly, President François Mitterand of the Socialist Party was kind in a bad spot for the legislatives elections, so to retain a majority, he set up a proportional system for the legislatives, to get FN MPs elected in order to create a spoiler effect for the right. does this have anything to do with him and his party being weird vichy collabos?
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sorry flowers, i'm seeing results on twitter and it seems like habib (UDI, Netanyahu backed) was reelected for the 9th circo de l'étranger. the others circos are most likely MPs for LREMicantfindaname posted:does this have anything to do with him and his party being weird vichy collabos? i mean the socialist party is a lot of bad things but it isn't a party of weird vichy collabos  i don't know about that, i think it was just political opportunism. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Jun 18, 2017 23:45
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Valls, Ciotti, Habib, Dupont-Aignan, Collard.... glad we kept those mps around, would have been a real shame to do without those
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MeLKoR posted:Sorry if I'm derailing the thread, this isn't politics after all. Still... Is it moving towards more populated areas?
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Yeah, a shitload of small towns have been evacuated. The fire has something like 10 fronts right now
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Stay safe , Portugal goons. This really sucks. Is there hope of rain any time soon to put out the fires?
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Kurtofan posted:Valls, Ciotti, Habib, Dupont-Aignan, Collard.... glad we kept those mps around, would have been a real shame to do without those valls ain't elected yet also gently caress habib I can't believe the piece of poo poo won
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Flowers For Algeria posted:
he got reelected with 57% of the votes
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Torrannor posted:Stay safe , Portugal goons. This really sucks. Is there hope of rain any time soon to put out the fires?
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Lol I just heard somebody on the radio complain that Macron was showing his leftist colours and that his "I want to make France a startup nation" comment somehow had to be interpreted as "I want to have a centralized planning economy" and claimed Macron yearned for a Soviet Union or Venezuela-styled economy.
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I think at this point, if you're a right-winger and haven't somehow jumped onto the bandwagon, all that's left is calling Macron a commie pinko for selling your own policies better than you did.
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Happy Brexit Negotiations Day everyone! It seems like the latest fad in Brexit coverage is that the media believes the Brits will go for a Norway model, which is of course absurd because that position is clearly worse in every aspect than being an actual EU member, unless you are wedded to staying neutral.
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Isn't any position short of remaining in the EU worse than being an actual member, though?
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It is, but I will laugh if the Brits end up paying the EU to be a part of the common market, including free movement of persons, while also eliminating their own voting rights.
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lost in postation posted:Isn't any position short of remaining in the EU worse than being an actual member, though? Well, you can at least make a (bad) argument for leaving having advantages, except in case of the Norway model, which means all the obligations, some benefits and power.
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Deltasquid posted:Lol I just heard somebody on the radio complain that Macron was showing his leftist colours and that his "I want to make France a startup nation" comment somehow had to be interpreted as "I want to have a centralized planning economy" and claimed Macron yearned for a Soviet Union or Venezuela-styled economy.
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Jun 19, 2017 09:43
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In any case Brexit negotiations will end in some sort of suicide. Hard Brexit: clean break, no common market, they have to pay tariffs; means committing economy suicide, since it will significantly lower trade with the EU and probably cause a recession in Britain. Bonus: could very well cause Scottish Secession. Soft Brexit: Norway model, access to common market, means they have to accept EU rules without having a say in them; political suicide on the Tories' part, since they were the one who caused all this. LOL JK NO BREXIT AT ALL: still technically possible; would still be political suicide on the Tories' part, since everyone in the UK would go "Well then what was the bloody point of it all?"
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GaussianCopula posted:Happy Brexit Negotiations Day everyone! Yeah, but the problem was that they irrationally felt their national penis was too small and being made fun of, and the solution is to retain "more autonomy" even if it literally costs in every way but the maintenance of some bizarre form of national pride. They want to be the Big Swingin' Dicks again, and a good portion of the UK seems happy to pay for the privilege.
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I don't think there were actually all that many people prepared to pay - there's a reason why the Leave camp pretended Brexit meant freeing up £350million a week for the NHS. The people who were prepared to pay were the rich and influential ideologues who would be hurt the least (and might actually benefit from the bonfire of regulations that Brexit could imply).
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A Buttery Pastry posted:From what I can tell, the fire is in one of the areas of Portugal that sees the most precipitation - but, and it's an important but, it basically doesn't see any rain from now and till September. Also tons of pine heath forests.
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GaussianCopula posted:Happy Brexit Negotiations Day everyone! Us leaving at all is absurd. Us going more Norway-model is a result of our recent election showing that the country isn't exclusively run by the Baby Boomer racists who voted for Brexit in the first place; it's a political compromise. It's a compromise that means I won't be living in a Mad Max economy, though, so if that's where we end up fine and hopefully we can rejoin properly in a decade or so when the olds have died off.
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feedmegin posted:Us leaving at all is absurd. Us going more Norway-model is a result of our recent election showing that the country isn't exclusively run by the Baby Boomer racists who voted for Brexit in the first place; it's a political compromise. It's a compromise that means I won't be living in a Mad Max economy, though, so if that's where we end up fine and hopefully we can rejoin properly in a decade or so when the olds have died off. Of course any Brexit deal would need to be approved by both the EU as well the UK, though, so opposition to granting the UK a Norway model approach might also come from the other side as well.
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Randler posted:Of course any Brexit deal would need to be approved by both the EU as well the UK, though, so opposition to granting the UK a Norway model approach might also come from the other side as well.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, but the problem was that they irrationally felt their national penis was too small and being made fun of, and the solution is to retain "more autonomy" even if it literally costs in every way but the maintenance of some bizarre form of national pride. If the goal was to be made fun of less, then the plan backfired dramatically.
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Dommolus Magnus posted:If the goal was to be made fun of less, then the plan backfired dramatically. If only the Tories could drag Farage back into this, after pulling off the biggest switcheroo in recent memory, then history can blame him instead of Cameron.
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feedmegin posted:Us leaving at all is absurd. Us going more Norway-model is a result of our recent election showing that the country isn't exclusively run by the Baby Boomer racists who voted for Brexit in the first place; it's a political compromise. It's a compromise that means I won't be living in a Mad Max economy, though, so if that's where we end up fine and hopefully we can rejoin properly in a decade or so when the olds have died off. The Norway-model would be the same as cutting your dick off. I don't get what advantage that gets you, except to say "we control our own destiny as was demonstrated by us cutting our own dick off" Does Corbyn even have a concrete Brexit model?
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double nine posted:Re: Brexit. Euro Intelligence thinks that a consensus in UK is growing in favour of the Norway model. to the best of my knowledge there's a norway-style EEA membership plan already drawn up, right? The conservatives are going to be in no position to negotiate with the EU, today or ever, because they have no government and no mandate. The opinion polls have started to show a strong desire to remain in the customs union, and a single poll even showed a majority supported referendum #2. I'm not sure if the public are realising what a stupid loving idea leaving in 2 years was in the first place or the country just flat out doesn't believe that May and the No Deal crew can be trusted or safely allowed to keep this farce up. GaussianCopula posted:The Norway-model would be the same as cutting your dick off. Costs us slightly less than half of our exports, we all learn a valuable lesson about the impact of direct democracy through terrible questions
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PT6A posted:Yeah, but the problem was that they irrationally felt their national penis was too small and being made fun of, and the solution is to retain "more autonomy" even if it literally costs in every way but the maintenance of some bizarre form of national pride. At this point it seems public opinion has changed and there is now a small majority for calling brexit off. But we're not in control any more. We had our ill thought out referendum. Now we're being held hostage by a Tory party no one likes and a PM that won't go.
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Spangly A posted:to the best of my knowledge there's a norway-style EEA membership plan already drawn up, right? I love the customs union idea, because it would mean a common market for goods (aka what the UK imports) but not for services (aka what the UK exports). But hey - it's a nice catchphrase I guess 
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feedmegin posted:Us leaving at all is absurd. Us going more Norway-model is a result of our recent election showing that the country isn't exclusively run by the Baby Boomer racists who voted for Brexit in the first place; it's a political compromise. It's a compromise that means I won't be living in a Mad Max economy, though, so if that's where we end up fine and hopefully we can rejoin properly in a decade or so when the olds have died off. I can totally understand how people would be averse to the Norway model though. It's a complete downgrade for the UK in every way imaginable. It means they gonna have the same responsibilities and benefits as before, but with higher membership fees and no political representation. Downgrading to that is insane, a huge loss and there is absolutely no way to spin it into something positive. You can't blame politicians and people for not publicly supporting that. I mean, we all know that it's probably going to be Norway model, but you gotta spin that as a defeat by the evil EU, not as something you were actually striving for. Gotta say, this whole Brexit thing is absolutely kafkaesque. Age of reason this ain't.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Gotta say, this whole Brexit thing is absolutely kafkaesque. Age of reason this ain't. I really want a hard-as-hell Brexit, just so we can all see how the UK government will cope once it can no longer blame its own shortcomings on the EU (e.g. the "tampon tax" bullshit).
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Randler posted:I really want a hard-as-hell Brexit, just so we can all see how the UK government will cope once it can no longer blame its own shortcomings on the EU (e.g. the "tampon tax" bullshit).  On another topic, the public reaction to the last night's terrorist attack was disgusting. I ended up staying up all night because I couldn't believe my eyes. There would have been arson attacks on all UK mosques if hundreds of muslims had descended on social media to celebrate the Ariana Grande attack on the grounds that it was "about time someone took revenge for all the deaths in the Middle East". I sincerely hope these people, along with the EDL, BNP and the rest of the fascist scum leadership are put on a terrorist sympathizer list and investigated but I know better than that.
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Randler posted:I really want a hard-as-hell Brexit, just so we can all see how the UK government will cope once it can no longer blame its own shortcomings on the EU (e.g. the "tampon tax" bullshit). "Blame it on Brussels" will always be the game in town. Even after a hard brexit, it'll be some variety of "evil eurocrats are holding british economy hostage for pesticide quotas" or some such.
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Holy poo poo, Valls losing his mind over some journalists DARING to report the idea he may not have won is the greatest thing on earth atm. "I WAS ELECTED YESTERDAY!"
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besides le pen and her partner, celebrity lawyer collard and ménard's wife, the other fn mps are : a former megrettist, a 23 years old local councillor who wanted to make his town "migrants free", a 71 year old former communist militant and the founder of GayLib, a gay rights organization from the right side of politics. http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-leg...03_5076653.html Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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