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rudatron posted:Only bourgie liberals give two shits about anachronistic conspicuous consumption (eg - the idiots who still buy vinyl because they enjoy the sound of the placebo effect). That market is still going to exist so people are always going to be in retail, even if there's less of them. DC Murderverse posted:You're not entirely wrong about this particular aspect, but "The Industry" is definitely responsible for you not being paid enough and the general lack of respect for retail/service workers because if no one respects them, then they don't have to be paid very much. lovely people are going to be lovely but they'll be shittier to people who they don't respect, and to whom they feel they can be lovely, and the company has a vested interest in keeping respect level low so you have idiots out there against a minimum wage increase because "people who work at McDonalds don't deserve more money". If we treated working in the service industry as a normal goddamn job like a plumber or a miner or a factory worker, there would be less assholes in general (though definitely not none, and because of the customer facing nature of the service industry there would still be plenty of assholes, like you said). Yeah I'm pretty sure store management not telling people to gently caress off when they scream at their employees, act like 6 year olds so they can get free poo poo and otherwise act like horrible human beings is the reason it keeps happening. There's dealing with the public and then there's dealing with the "I want to speak to a manager" rear end in a top hat. ToxicSlurpee posted:It also doesn't help that we've trained American consumers to act like horrible jerks because it gets them free stuff. If you complain enough you'll get a discount, something free, or whatever. I can't tell you the number of times back when I worked in a restaurant that people would come in, eat every bite of food, tell the people at the table how good it was, then complain at the register to get it comped or get sent home with a free pie. Granted a lot of it is just the societal stuff mentioned; retail folks are beneath everybody else. Begging for free poo poo is the worst. I went to dinner once like 5 years ago with my dad and they messed up my order, but I was cool with what they brought anyway so I told them don't worry about it and my dad was furious because he wanted to bitch so he could get some free food. This may just be confirmation bias, but it always seems like it's boomers who do this poo poo, and not the younger generation because the majority of us have worked a lovely retail/food service job at least once in our life and know how awful it is. axeil fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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MiddleOne posted:Japan has a bunch of circumstances (service employee shortage, extremely high retail space costs and a coin-centric cash-culture) which make vending machines more lucrative than in other countries. I wouldn't count on them making a big return splash in the West just yet. I've always thought the biggest issue is that random vending machines on the city streets here would be vandalized or broken almost instantly.
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:I've always thought the biggest issue is that random vending machines on the city streets here would be vandalized or broken almost instantly. No problem. Just go to the vending machine vending machine and buy a new vending machine.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Automation isn't what's killing off having a good waitress. Being a good server is pretty drat hard work and takes a hard worker to actually do it and chances are you do it because of the tips. You can make decent money in the right place if you're good at the job. All the restaurant world sees is that the minimum wage is $2.83/hour so they've been heaping more and more side work on the waitstaff. They're required to make up the difference if you end up at less than minimum wage but that'd doesn't really matter; if you make any tips at all they're paying you less than the actual minimum wage for anybody else. The sole and only reason you do it for tips is because outside of fine dining (at the level where tipping is considered gauche) nearly every restaurant is too goddamn cheap to pay their help properly for the value they add to the business. Full stop. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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axeil posted:That market is still going to exist so people are always going to be in retail, even if there's less of them. That and as people get older they get resentful and want to take it out on someone because how dare you waste what little time I have left with simple mistakes
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rudatron posted:(eg - the idiots who still buy vinyl because they enjoy the sound of the placebo effect). Should they instead be paying to license digital goods? Or perhaps trade their bloodwork and full medical history for 20 minutes per day in which they can listen to whatever* they want?
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Avalanche posted:
Would you mind telling us what hell-hole you worked in so none of us ever shop at that particular business? I've had some terrible retail gigs in my life but 3 minute bathroom breaks god drat.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It also doesn't help that we've trained American consumers to act like horrible jerks because it gets them free stuff. If you complain enough you'll get a discount, something free, or whatever. I can't tell you the number of times back when I worked in a restaurant that people would come in, eat every bite of food, tell the people at the table how good it was, then complain at the register to get it comped or get sent home with a free pie. They went to San Francisco to a restaurant that was run by one of their former students. Said student loved my friend and treated them to a gorgeous dinner. And of course said co-worker couldn't help himself and pulled his usual, "Eat nearly everything then complain for a refund" shtick. In another instance, he took my friend's generous tip leaving a pittance. The waitress ran after them to give it back to them, sarcastically telling they must need the money more than she did.
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Most stores have already cut front-end to the bone, and self-checkout tech is trash right now with the scales that need human intervention half of the time. The only way it's going to become more efficient is with technological or procedural changes, the lowest-hanging fruit is probably customer bagging and possibly even a bring-your-own-bag policy. Beyond that is full-cart checkout tickets, kiosks, and the return of the catalog/showroom store. Most retailers are lazy as gently caress about changing their point-of-sale tech though, whereas Amazon clearly couldn't be more excited.
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My local Ikea put in self service checkouts and it went about as well as you can image people trying to self checkout with pieces of loving huge multi-box furniture and household goods where you cannot spell or pronounce the name. They ended up ripping them all out six months later.
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Avalanche posted:Cashier jobs need to be automated. I've done the whole 8-10 hour cashier gig when I was younger and I would not wish that kind of hell onto anyone. There are the rare oddballs that love that kind of job, but if you value any kind brain growth like learning new things, or even just experiencing variety in life, then that job will suck the life force completely out of you. Truth. I worked in retail. I remember having a conversation with a co-worker once. Within a minute of actually having a humanizing talk with this person I saw daily but never got to know, my shift supervisor huffed over to us and said 'if you have time to lean, you've got time to clean.' And that was the end of that.
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glowing-fish posted:But yeah, the work hours here are confusing, because people work so many hours, but things go so slowly. That is worth a thread all its own. Labor and labor laws here are so incredibly dumb.
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FCKGW posted:My local Ikea put in self service checkouts and it went about as well as you can image people trying to self checkout with pieces of loving huge multi-box furniture and household goods where you cannot spell or pronounce the name. Costco tried something similar a few years back, with similar results. Interestingly, both stores benefit from a little bit of friction at checkout - just enough to make people plan a trip and expect to spend significant time and money. Once people are expecting to drop $100+, it's a lot easier to make the $12 impulse sale on frozen meatballs or a set of nesting food containers. At peak times, they need trained operators to keep things moving; at non-peak times, they don't want you to come by just to grab one thing and zip through self checkout.
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FCKGW posted:I thought stores already did this is you used their in-store wifi (which is what this patent covers). Best Buy got railed for this around 06/07. It was something at a store level we were somewhat aware of. People would come in w print outs from .com and we'd have to do some tricks to access the outside BBY.com site and verify the price. This would not go over well
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FCKGW posted:My local Ikea put in self service checkouts and it went about as well as you can image people trying to self checkout with pieces of loving huge multi-box furniture and household goods where you cannot spell or pronounce the name. I think people underestimate in general how much of a learned process the steps to buying something is. A constant I have noticed while traveling is that it's not just that I can't speak the language that makes it hard to buy things or go to restaurants the first few times, but that it takes a while to literally figure out what the process even is. Like we are all so efficient at buying things and checking out not because the process we use is super intuitive but because we do it every single day for years and years. Learning literally any new process will take a few tries good or bad.
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The self-checkout lines at the grocery store have quantitatively proven that the slowest customers and those with the purchases that would be the most impractical to self-checkout are the people most drawn to the self-checkout line.
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The self checkout at my local supermarket is always super speedy. All the olds who can't figure it out or normal people with a lot of produce go to the humans, people with just a few things they can quick scan go to the automated ones. For the 4 automated tills there's usually a single staff member sort of overseeing them and overriding things as needed. It goes fast.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The self-checkout lines at the grocery store have quantitatively proven that the slowest customers and those with the purchases that would be the most impractical to self-checkout are the people most drawn to the self-checkout line. yeah, a certain type of old is drawn to the self-checkout to prove something to themselves, and they stand there myopically peering at the screens and querolously debating with the helpers over mundane details ("can I come back to collect the points? Because I've forgotten my card!"), meanwhile the middle-aged white guy next to her raises an onion into the air and bellows, "there's no code for this!!" (as if he has heroically and single-handedly discovered a glaring flaw in a new system he is deeply suspicious of), and has to be walked through the menu like a dog through an obstacle course. Pretty sure we can do away with all intelligence testing and just watch people navigate a self-checkout kiosk. When they first came out I collected a ton of free money in forgotten change before they installed helpers who now keep an eye, specifically, on this, but you can still key in codes for the cheapest of item (for example, celery instead of organic whatever) and no one pays any attention and it saves me a fuckton of money on organic produce. This works for bakery items too if you like bagels but prefer the cost of dinner rolls.
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Heliogabalos posted:When they first came out I collected a ton of free money in forgotten change before they installed helpers who now keep an eye, specifically, on this, but you can still key in codes for the cheapest of item (for example, celery instead of organic whatever) and no one pays any attention and it saves me a fuckton of money on organic produce. This works for bakery items too if you like bagels but prefer the cost of dinner rolls. This is theft btw. It isn't clever, it isn't one weird trick, it's just theft.
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You can save even more money on organic produce by not being gullible enough to think it's better.
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:I've always thought the biggest issue is that random vending machines on the city streets here would be vandalized or broken almost instantly. I remember getting stopped at a roadblock once in Japan while driving a friend's car (with no license and having just left a bar, not drunk, but almost definitely above the Japanese limit) that had been set up because a vending machine nearby had been burgled and they were asking everyone in the area if they'd seen anything. I played dumb and pretended not to understand or speak Japanese while the cop spoke past me to my friend in the passenger seat. They take that poo poo seriously there. Here you'd be lucky if you could get the police out to take a report on something like that.
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fishmech posted:You can save even more money on organic produce by not being gullible enough to think it's better. Oh goodie - who will come forth to debate the mighty Fishmech this time? Which champion among you will prove himself on the board of valor this eve?
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Mozi posted:Oh goodie - who will come forth to debate the mighty Fishmech this time? Which champion among you will prove himself on the board of valor this eve? Fishmech is right.
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tbf organic is worse than fishmech, because only one of these exists in the real world
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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fishmech posted:You can save even more money on organic produce by not being gullible enough to think it's better. Eating pesticide covered produce made me gullible
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got any sevens posted:Eating pesticide covered produce made me gullible You know that organic produce uses pesticides, right? Just different, more 'poisonous to humans' pesticides.
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the organic label still isn't even regulated by the fda or usda iirc. It can be processed in any way.
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I think there can be an argument that buying "organic" is good if only to show market demand, but only for animals.
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If you want placebo effect, stressed plants produce better flavors or more protein i.e. wheat but there's no actual correlation to organic and the practice of stressing a plant, although a layman's understanding appears to make that connection.
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Peachfart posted:This is theft btw. It isn't clever, it isn't one weird trick, it's just theft.  yeah, no, despite your pearl clutching. also I don't live in the US, I live in a country where the term organic is legislated and regulated
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Heliogabalos posted:
It actually is theft. The statute is called "theft by deception" and pretty much every country has one.
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Heliogabalos posted:
wtf? No it is definitely theft, and you are a shithead!
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Hey guys I found a cool trick for saving money, I just shove poo poo into my pockets and then walk out without paying it's totally cool because, like, they didn't even ask me to pay for it or anything, right?
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got any sevens posted:Eating pesticide covered produce made me gullible Organic uses tons of pesticides. They're just pesticides that existed before like 1925 so they're "ok". Submarine Sandpaper posted:the organic label still isn't even regulated by the fda or usda iirc. It can be processed in any way. No, USDA Organic label is in fact regulated by the USDA. The thing is following all those rules is still meaningless.
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An organic cake is healthier than a GMO carrot. Sometimes I scan carrots and then put a cake on the scale. Then it sells me cake at just 69 nice cents a pound. one weird trick!
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can I just claim I made a mistake even if the chronically underpaid staff discovered I inputted the incorrect code for excessively overpriced produce? yes would I ever be charged? no everything else: a bloo-bloo self-righteous bootlicking
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here's another dumb gently caress tip for you: buy a single gummy worm and weight it with the self checkout, it'll round to 0.
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PT6A posted:Hey guys I found a cool trick for saving money, I just shove poo poo into my pockets and then walk out without paying it's totally cool because, like, they didn't even ask me to pay for it or anything, right? I just keep track of every mark up they make and appropriate just enough to offset that amount on the things I purchase. Just like capitalism intended. 
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The death of retail will be literal fire sales. One weird trick to get things at a discount is to firebomb warehouses.
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Heliogabalos posted:can I just claim I made a mistake even if the chronically underpaid staff discovered I inputted the incorrect code for excessively overpriced produce? yes Do you enjoy torturing small woodland creatures too?
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