|
teen witch posted:All of this for a loving poster. To be fair, juche propaganda is pretty sweet.
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 02:07 |
|
|
Wow, Ossoff's response was perfect. He definitely prepared for that exact question.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:55
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/JohnArterbury/status/876902946201628674
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:55
|
|
|
The sad thing is that he would've proudly displayed that propaganda poster wherever he went. The North Koreans could have fined him like $2,000 and given him another poster of Dear Leader with the promise of spreading the "good word" of Kim Il Sung.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:57
|
|
|
Lote posted:The sad thing is that he would've proudly displayed that propaganda poster wherever he went. The North Koreans could have fined him like $2,000 and given him another poster of Dear Leader with the promise of spreading the "good word" of Kim Il Sung. DPRK is a crazy state full of murders and we should do everything we can to free its people from the Kim family's insanity.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:58
|
|
|
wonder what the warmbier healthcare bills are
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:58
|
|
|
Just... brutal. Nothing else to be said. The whole situation has been sad and frustrating, and unfortunately without any positive closure. It's easy to criticize the kid for the decisions made, but he was just that - a kid. Rewatching his trial appearance is even more heartbreaking now, knowing that his pleas for forgiveness were not only in vain, but likely some of the last coherent words he ever uttered before being shoved into a dark corner of the world, never to return.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:59
|
|
|
Lote posted:The sad thing is that he would've proudly displayed that propaganda poster wherever he went. The North Koreans could have fined him like $2,000 and given him another poster of Dear Leader with the promise of spreading the "good word" of Kim Il Sung. when the tentpole of your weird military junta is a near deific state cult worshiping dear leader as a messianic figure it turns out you take crimes agaisnt the graven image of dear leader extraordinarily seriously dude could have just bought a poster but he wanted to play stupid games. it's unfortunate that young men can be so reckless Fart City posted:Just... brutal. Nothing else to be said. The whole situation has been sad and frustrating, and unfortunately without any positive closure. It's easy to criticize the kid for the decisions made, but he was just that - a kid. Rewatching his trial appearance is even more heartbreaking now, knowing that his pleas for forgiveness were not only in vain, but likely some of the last coherent words he ever uttered before being shoved into a dark corner of the world, never to return. this happens dozens of times a day across the us and few people give a poo poo because it doesn't feed into our weird geopolitical narratives http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/juvenile-life-without-parole/
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 21:59
|
|
|
Fart City posted:Just... brutal. Nothing else to be said. The whole situation has been sad and frustrating, and unfortunately without any positive closure. It's easy to criticize the kid for the decisions made, but he was just that - a kid. Rewatching his trial appearance is even more heartbreaking now, knowing that his pleas for forgiveness were not only in vain, but likely some of the last coherent words he ever uttered before being shoved into a dark corner of the world, never to return. Yeah, being a dumb kid shouldn't come with a death sentence...
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:00
|
|
|
teen witch posted:All of this for a loving poster. No one can know what the exact circumstances were when Warmbier decided to pilfer a piece of property owned by NK, but drat, it really makes me think how entitled and/or naive some college kids can be about the rest of the world.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:00
|
|
|
teen witch posted:All of this for a loving poster. TBH it would pretty be badass to have an actual NK propaganda poster hung up in your house. I could totally see myself trying the same thing when I was like 20. If he really did try to hang himself that's lovely. He probably wouldn't have served the whole sentence out and NK would have had a vested interest in keeping him not dead or starving and beaten. I mean all in all yeah it would have been miserable but he would have gotten through it, and had a book deal at the end of it to boot.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:03
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:Yeah, being a dumb kid shouldn't come with a death sentence... Yeah exactly. Is it possible this tragedy could be spun into some other political agenda as well?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:04
|
|
|
There's still no evidence that he did it. Nor will there ever be now.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:04
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/GallupNews/status/876903595303677954 We have the government we deserve. 59%.....
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:05
|
|
|
CmdrRiker posted:No one can know what the exact circumstances were when Warmbier decided to pilfer a piece of property owned by NK, but drat, it really makes me think how entitled and/or naive some college kids can be about the rest of the world. Makes me realize that North Korea has dumb, counterintuitive punishments for very very innocent actions. North Korea sucks.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:05
|
|
|
I really don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand it's dirty pool to torture a foreigner to death for a crime. On the other hand if you climb into a bear cage for a laugh you're in part responsible for your own mauling. I guess it's just sad and senseless and it doesn't mean anything
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:05
|
|
|
vaginite posted:TBH it would pretty be badass to have an actual NK propaganda poster hung up in your house. I could totally see myself trying the same thing when I was like 20. you can buy them online, but it doesn't come with a cool story about pissing in the eye of the north korean stasi so business hammocks posted:There's still no evidence that he did it. Nor will there ever be now. there's super lovely video footage. it doesn't hold up by western standards but it's not like it's their word vs his
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:06
|
|
|
vaginite posted:TBH it would pretty be badass to have an actual NK propaganda poster hung up in your house. I could totally see myself trying the same thing when I was like 20. I'm sure he was badly beaten for not understanding Korean. He was sentenced to hard labor--not just prison.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:07
|
|
|
Burt Buckle posted:Makes me realize that North Korea has dumb, counterintuitive punishments for very very innocent actions. North Korea sucks. Man you're really not going to like when you hear about the US system either.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:07
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:Yeah, being a dumb kid shouldn't come with a death sentence... What if I told you there was a country that had a death sentence for even less than that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:07
|
|
|
boner confessor posted:there's super lovely video footage. it doesn't hold up by western standards but it's not like it's their word vs his Their word is that it was related to botulism
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:08
|
|
|
business hammocks posted:I'm sure he was badly beaten for not understanding Korean. He was sentenced to hard labor--not just prison. At least he was convicted of a crime first. In the US you can be forced into labor without even a show trial.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:08
|
|
|
I heard about this one country that was so hosed up they shoot people in front of their kids with no trial. Even pregnant women with mental health problems.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:09
|
|
|
vaginite posted:TBH it would pretty be badass to have an actual NK propaganda poster hung up in your house. I could totally see myself trying the same thing when I was like 20. I can't imagine even considering stealing a piece of gov't property from NK. From the moment you step off the plane it is incredibly apparent how strict, watchful, and oppressive the rules are over there. I wonder what that kid thought the worst could happen would be? That they just take the poster back from him?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:09
|
|
|
Trabisnikof posted:At least he was convicted of a crime first. In the US you can be forced into labor without even a show trial. P sure in the US you can be summarily executed in the street for Blackness with Malice Aforethought
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:09
|
|
|
boner confessor posted:this happens dozens of times a day across the us and few people give a poo poo because it doesn't feed into our weird geopolitical narratives I'm well aware of the failures of the American justice system, and we must all work towards correcting those fallacies, but that does not diminish the horror of this particular case. Wrongful imprisonment, harsh sentencing, and inmate abuse should not be tolerated under any circumstance, whether domestic or international. It's the duty of prison reform activists to prevent victims of these kinds of offenses from becoming a statistic, so we should recognize Warmbier's death for the unique tragedy that it is.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:09
|
|
|
Volkerball posted:Their word is that it was related to botulism I would think if he tried to hang himself, they would have just said as much? Seems more likely than botulism - I read from accounts of other American ex-hostages there that the mental abuse was worse than the physical abuse, and it just doesn't make a lot of sense for me that NK would do this on purpose, given that most of the time they're out to get something in return for the release, where here they got nothing and seemed spooked.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:10
|
|
|
teen witch posted:All of this for a loving poster. Reminder the video evidence didn't really prove it was him. They easily could have framed him and just wanted to take an American. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzVGIAcLsf8
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:11
|
|
|
CmdrRiker posted:I can't imagine even considering stealing a piece of gov't property from NK. From the moment you step off the plane it is incredibly apparent how strict, watchful, and oppressive the rules are over there. I wonder what that kid thought the worst could happen would be? That they just take the poster back from him? there's plenty of danger tourists who sneak around places they're not supposed to be in north korea. typically at worst they just escort you back to your proper area with a stern talking to and they delete or confiscate your pictures. this guy apparently decided to up the ante by stealing a poster here's some people sneaking around the floor where warmbier supposedly was also, you can find other tales online of people going into behind the scenes forbidden areas http://monsoondiaries.com/2011/08/23/piso-cinco/ Spacebump posted:Reminder the video evidence didn't really prove it was him. They easily could have framed him and just wanted to take an American. they could have, sure. but they have literally no incentive to do this in any way. you pretty much have to assume the north koreans are moustache twirling bad guys instead of just a horrible dictatorship. at worst they got the wrong person but they have footage of someone sneaking into the forbidden area to steal things
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:11
|
|
|
Skippy Granola posted:I guess it's just sad and senseless and it doesn't mean anything Yeah, it's this.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:12
|
|
|
Trabisnikof posted:Man you're really not going to like when you hear about the US system either. The United States system is also bad in different ways. The part of me that always tries to find justice in the world keeps saying 'well he was dumb to go to North Korea' or 'he was in an extremely privileged spoiled position to even be able to do this.' but the reality is that it just sucks for him and his family and he didn't deserve this for such a small wrongdoing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:14
|
|
|
Volkerball posted:No I mean the people mad that the EPA doesn't offer an all inclusive gym membership to its employees. It's just a sign that the administration, being unable to find the massive amount of waste and graft which they were sure was there and they campaigned on eliminating, will take to kicking employees to boost their numbers in the short term.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:14
|
|
|
Spacebump posted:Reminder the video evidence didn't really prove it was him. They easily could have framed him and just wanted to take an American. That loving music. I give one big WTF to that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:15
|
|
|
I love it when the thread engages in whataboutism without a hint of irony or self awareness.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
Shifty Pony posted:It's just a sign that the administration, being unable to find the massive amount of waste and graft which they were sure was there and they campaigned on eliminating, will take to kicking employees to boost their numbers in the short term.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
CmdrRiker posted:I can't imagine even considering stealing a piece of gov't property from NK. From the moment you step off the plane it is incredibly apparent how strict, watchful, and oppressive the rules are over there. I wonder what that kid thought the worst could happen would be? That they just take the poster back from him? No way in hell I would do it now, or even go to NK for that matter for any reason. But if I was in my teens or early 20s, I could have tried the same thing. Kids are stupid. Same reason every time there's a major war they flock to enlist, they know bad poo poo happens, they just don't think it will happen to them.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/876908990223065089quote:“Most troubling of all, we have no record of General Flynn identifying on his security clearance renewal application – or during his interview with security clearance investigators – even a single foreign government he had contact with,” wrote Reps. Elijah Cummings and Eliot Engel, the ranking members of the House oversight and foreign affairs committees, in a letter published on Monday.  quote:The lawmakers appeared to focus their interest on evidence they said suggested he repeatedly misled investigators about his overseas work during the period after 2014 when he left office as the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and formed a consulting firm, the Flynn Intel Group. Already, Flynn made a late acknowledgement in filings to the Department of Justice that, immediately before joining the Trump White House, he was doing work that could benefit the government of Turkey. The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jun 19, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:17
|
|
|
The US criminal system can be horrific without being literally the worst one in the world, guys. It's not weird to think that NK is particularly unjust/evil.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:21
|
|
|
That's... that's some Axis of Evil poo poo right there. Am I wrong here? US and Russia building reactors for the Saudis, who then give the Russians guns? That's getting back into Bad Spy Novel territory.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 02:07 |
|
|
boner confessor posted:NK is poor and backwards but it's not the stone age. they kept him alive for who knows how long until someone decided just to ship his still living corpse back home because there was no reason to hold him. most likely they were keeping him alive until it was expedient to ship him back and it was his parents who decided to pull the plug I would be least surprised to find out that his release timetable was to try to get him out before he died, but only so long as enough time had passed as to ensure that certain abuses were undetectable in an autopsy.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2017 22:21
|
|
