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dwarf74 posted:So this shooting in Virginia this morning... Eye witness says it was a white guy so I'm not sure what will win out.
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That's two negatives, making it a positive, so yes to Infowars conspiracy garbage
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brylcreem posted:So there's a huge fire in a 24 story residential building in London at the moment. Already happening in GBS: Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Funny that we were just talking about buildings on fire collapsing, notice how this one didn't collapse at free fall speed perfectly symmetrical? In fact, nothing collapsed at all
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It's only legitimate if it's a Muslim or a left-wing person. If it turns out it was a crazy right-wing dude who listens to too much Alex Jones and bears a grudge against the GOP establishment, it was a false flag.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Already happening in GBS: Love to quote jokes and pretend they are real
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chitoryu12 posted:It's only legitimate if it's a Muslim or a left-wing person. If it turns out it was a crazy right-wing dude who listens to too much Alex Jones and bears a grudge against the GOP establishment, it was a false flag. Or a lone nut, this is why we need better mental health care instead of gun control.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Or a lone nut, this is why we need better mental health care instead of gun control. there's really no amount of mental health care that's going to stop angry men from losing their poo poo and shooting people, it's a generational and societal problem that can't be attributed to rogue individuals. a society of lone nuts is not a group of hundreds of thousands of isolated crazies, it's a whole population of them with a common cause
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RagnarokAngel posted:Or a lone nut, this is why we need better mental health care instead of gun control. Or both actually Also people who say we need mental health care not gun control usually turn right around and vote to defund health care so I'm gonna continue to view anyone who says nah we don't need gun control with scorn at best
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Good lord I know, I was parroting a Republican talking point.
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So when do we start hearing that the congressional ball game shooting was all crisis actors?
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RagnarokAngel posted:Good lord I know, I was parroting a Republican talking point. Man I don't know who's saying and who's just saying anymore
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Jun 14, 2017 19:42
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Already happening in GBS: There has never been a metal building collapse under similar circumstances. Only thing close was a fire in some third world country where standards are poor. Gas lighting cover nut.
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Wow twice in a month has to be a recent record for this thread, right?
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GutBomb posted:Wow twice in a month has to be a recent record for this thread, right? pretty sure it was him twice
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brylcreem posted:So there's a huge fire in a 24 story residential building in London at the moment. Once, after discussing 9/11 with my brother (massive conspiracy theorist, thinks it was an inside job, controlled demolition, the works), I had to go online and read some people debunking the whole thing to regain some of my faith in humanity. While doing so, I happened on a thread on some forum where people from both sides were discussing it, and the number of truthers who can't even get the basics right was loving astounding. Like, people claiming steel doesn't lose strength until it starts melting, and the fire couldn't have burned hot enough to do that, or going "YOU EXPECT IT TO FALL TO ONE SIDE, INSTEAD IT COLLAPSED PERFECTLY IN ON ITSELF", when all you need to do is go on Youtube and see with your own eyes how the part of the building above the point of impact starts listing towards it before the structure beneath gives way and it starts crashing down on itself. I mean, everyone here is already aware of this, but Christ, the amount of facts these people straight up ignore in order for their theory to make any kind of sense is mind-boggling. Then you have the guys who, when asked to back up their claims, post Youtube videos made by Truthman5000 or whatever, or just straight up claim they are science engineers, and are totally experts and they know for a fact that the planes couldn't have caused the building to collapse like that. Sorry, the mention of 9/11 just brought back the sheer frustration I felt when discussing this with my brother (who's also the kind of person who talks down to you, and laughs at you like you're an idiot when you try to argue with him. Honestly, I don't even know why I bother.)
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What I don't get is why do they always go for broke by calling it a controlled demolition? How come conspiracy theorists don't say that Bush paid the hijackers, or that he deliberately ignored warnings that the hijackings were going to happen?
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Instant Sunrise posted:What I don't get is why do they always go for broke by calling it a controlled demolition? How come conspiracy theorists don't say that Bush paid the hijackers, or that he deliberately ignored warnings that the hijackings were going to happen? Because you can't just have part of THE GOVERNMENT STORY be wrong, it has to be the whole thing. Therefore it can't be "George Bush paid the airlines to crash planes into WTC" because then you're buying into THE GOVERNMENT saying planes crashed into WTC!!!
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My favorite one is that the planes weren't cruise missiles or holograms or anything, they were actual planes full of actual passengers, but they had missiles mounted underneath them and they fired missiles at the buildings before the planes themselves hit. I.... just .... I mean....
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Data Graham posted:My favorite one is that the planes weren't cruise missiles or holograms or anything, they were actual planes full of actual passengers, but they had missiles mounted underneath them and they fired missiles at the buildings before the planes themselves hit. And then the planes also hit the towers? 
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Keeshhound posted:And then the planes also hit the towers? No they activated their cloaking devices and flew past cunningly.
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OwlFancier posted:No they activated their cloaking devices and flew past cunningly. Oh, right. Duh.
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Instant Sunrise posted:What I don't get is why do they always go for broke by calling it a controlled demolition? How come conspiracy theorists don't say that Bush paid the hijackers, or that he deliberately ignored warnings that the hijackings were going to happen? conspiracy theorists have a bizarre need to plant one foot in credible, rational argumentation and another in looney toons land so their ultimate downfall is finding reasonable sounding but debunkable arguments for insane conclusions one of the big arguments in the false moon landing canon is that the van allen radiation belts would have killed any astronauts going to the moon. so it sounds feasible except when you argue that the rad exposure for passing through the belt is no worse than like a handful of xrays and thus entirely survivable (going to the moon in 1960's space tech does give you a decently higher cancer risk) so then you're stuck with this argument that on the one hand has a reasonable component (space radiation is nasty) but on the other makes no sense (space radiation will not just kill you dead instantly under normal circumstances)
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9/11 truthers are crawling out of the woodwork. http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/didnt-blaze-grenfell-towers-yesterday-make-fall-just-like-building-7-world-trade-center/
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quote:The reason why Grenfell Tower did not fall is because there is no fire capable of being created that is able to make a steel structure building fall to the ground. Yup, steel is indestructible, it's basically adamantium
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I know a lot of people who do hobby-level iron-working and forging and poo poo and it's amazing how soft that poo poo gets with just a bit of heat.
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Cymoril posted:9/11 truthers are crawling out of the woodwork. if you want a laugh bring up the plasco tower in iran which collapsed earlier this year due to fire and see how fast they flip flop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6Lusn-HLM
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boner confessor posted:if you want a laugh bring up the plasco tower in iran which collapsed earlier this year due to fire and see how fast they flip flop Doing this right now.
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The thing is the grenfell tower isn't steel, it's 1970's concrete construction. It's built like a flak tower and the structure itself is actually fireproof. The only reason it caught fire is cos the renovation company wrapped it in cheap kindling.
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Cymoril posted:9/11 truthers are crawling out of the woodwork. The comments are amazing: So where is Osama bin Laden today? South of the border down Mexico way? I'm sure he's still alive and kickin'. The other Muslim, Obamanation, was very clever to set this up during his so called Presidency to get the credit for killing him, but I had my doubts when they announced it. No body? No pictures? No nothing to prove they killed him. I guess they figured If the public was stupid enough to believe the WTC went down, then they will buy this one too about bin Laden.
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Cymoril posted:Doing this right now. i'd bet money they'd call it controlled demollition the best part of this argument is that controlled demolition and uncontrolled demolition look extremely similar and have the same end result
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boner confessor posted:i'd bet money they'd call it controlled demollition A bunch of them keep insisting Building 7 was a controlled demolition. There is a lot of willful ignorance going on, and I more or less checked out of the arguments because what I say isn't valid without "scientific proof."
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Cymoril posted:A bunch of them keep insisting Building 7 was a controlled demolition. There is a lot of willful ignorance going on, and I more or less checked out of the arguments because what I say isn't valid without "scientific proof." the thing you need to remember when arguing with a conspiracy theorist is that they are advocating a theological position which they believe with near spiritual intensity but they drape it in the language of rationality and skepticism. they think they are arguing logically, but really they're stating a belief which itself defies logic, one which typically centers on how special and wise the conspiracy theorist is for rising above the masses to see the true nature of reality. if you approach them and accept their perspective that they have facts which can be debated then you will waste your time, every time when they press you for "scientific proof" what they're really saying is that you need to say something acceptable to the canon of facts which they've cultivated to support their argument. obviously this is not how rational inquiry works, but this is consistent with people who express an irrational argument using the language of rationality to fool themselves and others
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boner confessor posted:if you want a laugh bring up the plasco tower in iran which collapsed earlier this year due to fire and see how fast they flip flop Nuh uhh! Look in this video the tower falls over sideways while you'd expect in an uncontrolled collapse. The twin towers fell perfectly as only could be accomplished in a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Literally seen these exact comments when that disaster first happened. People were using this Iranian fire as evidence WTC was controlled demo.
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boner confessor posted:the thing you need to remember when arguing with a conspiracy theorist is that they are advocating a theological position which they believe with near spiritual intensity but they drape it in the language of rationality and skepticism. they think they are arguing logically, but really they're stating a belief which itself defies logic, one which typically centers on how special and wise the conspiracy theorist is for rising above the masses to see the true nature of reality. if you approach them and accept their perspective that they have facts which can be debated then you will waste your time, every time Yeah I know. Doesn't make it any less frustrating. I would post screenshots but I am getting errors.
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Baronjutter posted:I know a lot of people who do hobby-level iron-working and forging and poo poo and it's amazing how soft that poo poo gets with just a bit of heat. There's a video on YouTube of a guy like this who just yells about how stupid it is and heats a piece of metal up just to show how much it bends, and then shouts "so shut up!" And the video ends
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boner confessor posted:the thing you need to remember when arguing with a conspiracy theorist is that they are advocating a theological position which they believe with near spiritual intensity but they drape it in the language of rationality and skepticism. they think they are arguing logically, but really they're stating a belief which itself defies logic, one which typically centers on how special and wise the conspiracy theorist is for rising above the masses to see the true nature of reality. if you approach them and accept their perspective that they have facts which can be debated then you will waste your time, every time how do you feel about the idea that you're not trying to convince the conspiracy theorist but rather you're trying to show any spectators that the conspiracy theorist is wrong?
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QuarkJets posted:how do you feel about the idea that you're not trying to convince the conspiracy theorist but rather you're trying to show any spectators that the conspiracy theorist is wrong? Depending on your audience, you might just wind up making the CT look like the scrappy underdog.
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Instant Sunrise posted:What I don't get is why do they always go for broke by calling it a controlled demolition? How come conspiracy theorists don't say that Bush paid the hijackers, or that he deliberately ignored warnings that the hijackings were going to happen? Maybe because that doesn't matter?
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boner confessor posted:i'd bet money they'd call it controlled demollition The controled demolition will collapse faster than gravity The controled demolition will collapse into the buildings foot, otherwise the building topples due to Newton's second law on entropy Ect.,
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Baronjutter posted:I know a lot of people who do hobby-level iron-working and forging and poo poo and it's amazing how soft that poo poo gets with just a bit of heat. You are wrong, my wood stove doesn't collapse
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