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Petr posted:Not individually, no. I was just giving the estimate for total dead in the genocide. That's several presidents' worth. well ok but bush has a million dead iraqis and that's just iraq like, pretty sure he was bad
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stone cold posted:that still leaves plenty of room in the bottom five for bush Gee willikers, I didn't say "off the top of my head" or anything mcmagic posted:Bush was definitely worse than Reagan Nixon and Harding. Buchanan was a horror but he was only a single term president. Bush was able to do more harm. You're completely insane if you don't think Reagan didn't do more overall damage than Bush. Direct body count isn't the only metric.
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Ossoff is big for the narrative, and specifically because it might have real ramifications on the stuff currently happening in Congress, especially the AHCA. Ossof wins and Republicans might get scared and change their approach/votes. Handel wins and those same Republicans may feel safe to just be all they can be for the cause. But the people saying "20 pt swings are meaningless if the democrat needed 21 pts to win!" are just idiots. We're seeing tons of evidence of a wave. Its just not yielding results in deep red elections to replace Republicans who were chosen specifically because the GOP assumed their seats would be safe. But its probably best to just tap out of this thread for the next few days because the poo poo posting is going to come out in force regardless of what happens.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He had them. The problem is that the Apprentice contracts included a five million fine for leaking on set recordings Trump didn't authorize. This sounds like a problem George Soros can fix.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:This sounds like a problem George Soros can fix. Somebody literally offered to pay for the tapes, I don't remember who. But some ultrarich guy was going to protect any leakers
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theflyingorc posted:Gee willikers, I didn't say "off the top of my head" or anything Reagan did cultural damage to the country that we are still recovering from but Bush did actual tangible evil consistently for 8 years that not only resulted in a direct body count but also changing the way the US does foreign policy and domestic security (due to something that happened because they were asleep at the switch) that will probably never be rolled back in addition to overseeing the destruction of a major US city and the biggest transfer of wealth to the rich in the history of the country. You can literally never run out of ways to describe the horror of that administration.
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Regan was worse than Bush domestically. Bush was worse internationally.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So um, why is the thread now convinced that Orsoff is going to lose? And why are they acting so smug about it? I mean, the polling hasn't changed and early turnout has been great. Also unlike Montana which remains a deep red state this Georgia district has been trending purple for years now so big turnout doesn't simply mean more Republicans. Can someone change my custom title to "broke brained goal post moving pessimist" STAC Goat posted:Ossof wins and Republicans might get scared and change their approach/votes. Ossof wins and Republicans need to ditch Trump with enough distance between them and 2018 to make the public forget. So like at least a handful of months.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So um, why is the thread now convinced that Orsoff is going to lose? And why are they acting so smug about it? I mean, the polling hasn't changed and early turnout has been great. Also unlike Montana which remains a deep red state this Georgia district has been trending purple for years now so big turnout doesn't simply mean more Republicans. Mostly because the polling in the last few days has been trending Handel's way and Democrats haven't had a non-disastrous election night in years now.
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HannibalBarca posted:Mostly because the polling in the last few days has been trending Handel's way and Democrats haven't had a non-disastrous election night in years now. Thanks, dumb rear end in a top hat who shot up a baseball field!
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Trump is not going to be reelected, either through his decision or Americas
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Night10194 posted:Thanks, dumb rear end in a top hat who shot up a baseball field! What did you expect from a Bernie-crat
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Won't this Georgia seat be up for reelection in 2018 anyway?
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Night10194 posted:Thanks, dumb rear end in a top hat who shot up a baseball field! That, combined with the suspiciously convenient timing of *someone* (cough cough) mailing death threats in envelopes full of baking soda to Handel's culdesac, really played into the insane right-wing culture war histrionics that have been the bread and butter of Handel's campaign. All the "fundamentals" advantages won't give us the House back in 2018 unless we learn how to close the Ratfucking skill gap.
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mcmagic posted:Bush was definitely worse than Reagan Nixon and Harding. Buchanan was a horror but he was only a single term president. Bush was able to do more harm. Buchanan's response to South Carolina seceding was pretty much "eh, that sucks but I guess I can't do anything about this!" Then again, I guess it'd probably help to define what metrics you're using for worst president here. Bush was much, much worse for the rest of the world than he was for the US.
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Blitz7x posted:Trump is not going to be reelected, either through his decision or Americas Counterpoint. The public are idiots and you should never underestimate how self destructive and dangerous they are. Of course he can be re elected.
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all the last-minute concern trolls are coming out in full force. your worry fuels me!
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Jon Ossoff waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were Republicans in the House. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Hillary Clinton were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway. Jon was a film maker for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the elections and he said to dad “I want to run for congress daddy.” Dad said “No! You will BE KILL BY REPUBLICANS” There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the special election for GA-06 he knew there were republicans. “This is Clinton” the radio crackered. “You must fight the Republicans!” So Jon gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall. “HE GOING TO UNSEAT US” said the republicans “I will shoot at him” said the cyberhandel and she fired the rocket missiles. Jon plasmaed at her and tried to blew her up. But then the polling stations closed and they were trapped and not able to vote. “No! I must unseat the republicans” he shouted The radio said “No, Jon. You are the republicans” And then Jon was a DINO.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Won't this Georgia seat be up for reelection in 2018 anyway? Yes, it is a House seat
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Paradoxish posted:Buchanan's response to South Carolina seceding was pretty much "eh, that sucks but I guess I can't do anything about this!" Bush's response to the destruction of a major US city was pretty much "eh, that sucks but I guess I can't do anything about this!"
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mcmagic posted:Bush's response to the destruction of a major US city was pretty much "eh, that sucks but I guess I can't do anything about this!" I dunno, man. Katrina was pretty bad, but I wouldn't exactly put it on par with the civil war.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Jon Ossoff waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were Republicans in the House. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Hillary Clinton were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.  Well done.
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A lot of folks seriously forgetting how bad Bush was. I don't think he was dumb, the cowboy thing was a character. But he was really, really bad. Trump, luckily, is actually dumb and appears to be so incompetent it's limiting the destruction he can do, though his cabinet appointments have been legit horrifying.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Jon Ossoff waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were Republicans in the House. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Hillary Clinton were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway. This is a pretty good take on a classic.
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People were wondering why we were worried before when someone pointed out that Georgia GOP was saying things like "that shooting is going to win us the election."
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Anyone who can should go to the Museum of Native Americans in DC. There's a room upstairs that is just a giant rotunda displaying a series of broken treaties between the colonists and native nations going westwards. At the end Andrew Jackson's sword sits in a glass panel. We do not live in a just or reasonable universe.
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Jaxyon posted:A lot of folks seriously forgetting how bad Bush was. It's pretty horrible that Perry is probably in the top five of least bad cabinet appointees.  Behind at least Mattis, McMaster, and oh god literally the Exxon executive
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Josh Lyman posted:From the primaries and through her singing at NBC, Megyn Kelly was considered a superstar, right? I'm not misremembering? She was a big deal at Fox but she took a hit when Trump targeted her and (if I remember right) she ended up signing with NBC for a lot less than she was hoping for. Now we seem to be confirming what I and a lot of people thought, that her audience was the RWM bubble and they're not going to follow her to a new network. If Kelly's going to have any success on NBC she's going to have to build new credibility and respect, and she's working from behind the 8 ball because she did a lot of damage to herself all those years at Fox. I think it was stupid for NBC if they really expected her to succeed, although I do wonder how much of it was about just taking her away from Fox to hurt them.
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Doing that Alex Jones interview probably knee capped Kelly's attempt at a comeback.
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Interesting: https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/876965266856345600
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GreyjoyBastard posted:It's pretty horrible that Perry is probably in the top five of least bad cabinet appointees. Perry is better for the DOE and America than Tillerson. He apparently has been a pretty hands-off administrator and has focused more on working on behalf of his subordinates and taking their advice seriously, rather than micromanaging them. Honestly, it's probably better to have someone like him in charge of the DOE to lobby for its importance and navigate Congress rather than some physicist.
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Blitz7x posted:What did you expect from a Bernie-crat also a stein voter
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Covok posted:People were wondering why we were worried before when someone pointed out that Georgia GOP was saying things like "that shooting is going to win us the election." holy poo poo - no, you don't get to say things are radically changed based on one poll that shows movement by less than half the margin of error on that poll
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STAC Goat posted:Ossoff is big for the narrative, and specifically because it might have real ramifications on the stuff currently happening in Congress, especially the AHCA. Ossof wins and Republicans might get scared and change their approach/votes. Handel wins and those same Republicans may feel safe to just be all they can be for the cause. I freely confess that if Ossoff wins I may be unable to restrain myself regarding our local doomsayers and purity commissars. 
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