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corn in the bible posted:trumpcare is pretty bad though Actually, it makes liberals mad, which is my only evaluation metric, so it's good.
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Lemming posted:Oh yeah the AHCA is going to be extremely good. I think this because I'm a smart boy. That wasn't on the list dummy
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Jun 20, 2017 02:29
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Lemming posted:Oh yeah the AHCA is going to be extremely good. I think this because I'm a smart boy. There will never be a good solution because insurance companies and such have too much influence and will never let good public healthcare happen. I think everyone should have access to free public healthcare with the option of private cover if you want it.
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corn in the bible posted:trumpcare is pretty bad though Not a thing though and, judging from the frantic secret bill writing, will not be a thing
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Jun 20, 2017 02:30
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:That wasn't on the list dummy "This turd is good if you only consider the nuggets of corn and pretend the poop isn't there."
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Jun 20, 2017 02:30
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theperminator posted:There will never be a good solution because insurance companies and such have too much influence and will never let good public healthcare happen. So why is cutting $880 billion from the socialist health care system we have in place and giving it to the rich good? Edit: and why was it bad when Obama expanded it?
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Jun 20, 2017 02:31
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theperminator posted:There will never be a good solution because insurance companies and such have too much influence and will never let good public healthcare happen. Aren't you Australian or something, wouldn't you have the good healthcare already Or am I mixing up gimmicks itt
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Jun 20, 2017 02:31
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Lemming posted:"This turd is good if you only consider the nuggets of corn and pretend the poop isn't there." Everything everyone does is always great, Obama didn't drone strike countless innocent families.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:32
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Lemming posted:"This turd is good if you only consider the nuggets of corn and pretend the poop isn't there." Except the AHCA isn't even finished yet
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Jun 20, 2017 02:32
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Not a thing though and, judging from the frantic secret bill writing, will not be a thing They're stuck though, they have to do something or they'll get hosed in the primaries
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Jun 20, 2017 02:32
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theperminator posted:I'm gonna laugh if the media smear campaign hands him the next election just like it did last time. they won't find the trump pisstape, but they'll find a trump pisstape, probably from the 90s, and probably it'll also have vince mcmahon in, possibly even as the pisser but trump will own it and his popularity will skyrocket the way slick willy's would have if he'd grunted and thrust his hips under oath instead of saying that he did not have sexual relations with that woman
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Jun 20, 2017 02:32
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Lemming posted:So why is cutting $880 billion from the socialist health care system we have in place and giving it to the rich good? I never said it was good?
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Lemming posted:So why is cutting $880 billion from the socialist health care system we have in place and giving it to the rich good? There is zero chance he will ever be negatively impacted by it, living in Didgeridoo Alcatraz as he does
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Jun 20, 2017 02:33
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theperminator posted:He's totally part of it, that's why after all this incessant whining by the media and trust fund babies there's still no evidence of collusion. The increased NASA funding is nice but what is this moron concept of "no evidence of collusion" exactly? There's clearly enough evidence for multiple agencies to be investigating something so really the crux of your argument here is "the FBI hasn't concluded their case in a few weeks, therefore there is nothing." Do you have any idea how long the average investigation runs? If anything the fact that they are still at it means there is clearly something to be investigated.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:34
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corn in the bible posted:They're stuck though, they have to do something or they'll get hosed in the primaries Nah they'll probably put out an unsignable bill, blame Democrats, and move on to the stuff they really want to work on Nobody has any real idea what to do because the whole ACA was already a handout to insurance companies.
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theperminator posted:I never said it was good? theperminator posted:President Magoo uncovers corruption, kills harmful TPP, increases funding to NASA etc.. You think people on the left have no valid criticisms of Trump so you must think it's fine.
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Being investigated does not imply guilt.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:36
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Fine but stop pretending like if a federal investigation isn't over and done with in a couple weeks then there is nothing to it at all and they're just blowing smoke up people's butts. It would honestly help if the president wasn't on Twitter acting like a guilty motherfucker nonstop denying instead of doing his job.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:36
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theperminator posted:Being investigated does not imply guilt. Uh yeah it kinda does
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Jun 20, 2017 02:36
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Lemming posted:You think people on the left have no valid criticisms of Trump so you must think it's fine. Well the healthcare thing is garbage whichever side you're on. Everyone should get free healthcare without having to pay some insurance company.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:37
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Like, just a little
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Nah they'll probably put out an unsignable bill, blame Democrats, and move on to the stuff they really want to work on The AHCA is transparently a huge handout to the rich which is explicitly the only thing they really want to work on.
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COMRADES posted:If anything the fact that they are still at it means there is clearly something to be investigated. This is the dumbest argument. "Being investigated is a sign of guilt" no it's not, especially when it's at the behest of your political enemies. There was nothing up with Jimmy Carter's peanut farm either but that didn't stop them from spending a year appointing special counsel and having hearings and stuff
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Jun 20, 2017 02:38
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theperminator posted:Well the healthcare thing is garbage whichever side you're on. And Obama massively expanded the program that provided free healthcare without needing to pay some insurance company, and Trump and the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to gut that program. I'm explaining to you in simple terms how you are loving stupid.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:39
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I love how both Obamacare and the new bill have the negatives magically surface on an 8 year cycle it's almost as if both sides play dumb partisan games
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Wolfsheim posted:Why would trump being impeached be bad for the opposition Trump warrants a level of scrutiny and opposition unlike any typical republican president. A pence presidency would be welcomed as a return to normalcy, and republicans will be able to reunite and vote lockstep as republicans tend to do. Pence is an insider and the party would much more effectively support his agenda without an orange and gold albatross around their necks.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:39
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bernie would have won, and then, not gotten us single payer healthcare or anything really but god drat what would we post instead of bernie would have won? can you imagine??
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Jun 20, 2017 02:40
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:This is the dumbest argument. "Being investigated is a sign of guilt" no it's not, especially when it's at the behest of your political enemies. There was nothing up with Jimmy Carter's peanut farm either but that didn't stop them from spending a year appointing special counsel and having hearings and stuff I just mean that if there was no evidence of anything surely they would have concluded their investigation because what would they even be doing? I mean they're doing something right I assume there aren't just a bunch of people at Mueller's office playing grab rear end and racking up billable hours. He just brought in a dozen lawyers.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:41
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Lemming posted:And Obama massively expanded the program that provided free healthcare without needing to pay some insurance company, and Trump and the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to gut that program. yo people that didn't have healthcare not only got it, but they deserved it that being said, lol @ "without needing to pay some insurance company", my loving rates went through the roof (not that I cared, just saying)
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Lemming posted:The AHCA is transparently a huge handout to the rich which is explicitly the only thing they really want to work on. You just have one script and assign everything to it. It's a sign of an immature or maybe just ignorant worldview. The AHCA is just some bullshit they cookes up because the dog caught the car, so to speak, with the car being scoring easy points by ripping on Obamacare. They want that poo poo over with, passed or not, by the break so that when they come back they can get to work on the real poo poo they care about : tax cuts, restructuring, etc. The AHCA is a sideshow. Their real agenda is to paas some real heinous poo poo next session.
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Lemming posted:And Obama massively expanded the program that provided free healthcare without needing to pay some insurance company, and Trump and the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to gut that program. Lol at "without needing to pay some insurance company" you really don't understand the ACA at all, do you?
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:This is the dumbest argument. "Being investigated is a sign of guilt" no it's not, especially when it's at the behest of your political enemies. There was nothing up with Jimmy Carter's peanut farm either but that didn't stop them from spending a year appointing special counsel and having hearings and stuff Unironic posting against the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is a massively creepy step in the wrong direction, but you still get people picking that wierd hill to die on. The investigation may turn something up, it may not, but it blows my mind that people could sincerely think that investigations necessitate guilt. They might imply guilt, you might think there is a strong chance of guilt, but condemning someone under investigation on the basis that they are being investigated is some serious totalitarian bullshit. Wait and see you creepy nerds
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Piss de Bundy posted:
I'd back it, that seems like a cool dude
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If you've been paying attention to congress it's pretty obvious the AHCA is DOA and they're just dressing up the corpse so they don't get blamed
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VikingSkull posted:yo people that didn't have healthcare not only got it, but they deserved it Yeah, the problem with Obamacare is that it didn't do enough, not that it did too much. You do know it included a massive Medicaid expansion, right? The rest of it did slow the premium rises; they would've been increasing by larger percentages than with it in place. Stuff like the essential benefits and removing the yearly/lifetime limits massively decreased the percentages of medical bankruptcies as well. With the AHCA we go back to before, plus the premiums go back to where they would've been. Unless you're young and you get the toilet paper coverage.
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FisheyStix posted:Wait and see you creepy nerds 
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republicans: eat poo poo and die democrats: single payer is a dream, an illusion, it's not feasible, what are we a small nordic country with immense oil with and 65% tax rate? *sweat is visible on the forehead* you know, lets be a bit more reasonable, perhaps further tax breaks on our existing healthcare plans, or the ability choose your own doctor. you can already do that, so i dont know why we are talking about this. *is visibly annoyed*
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theperminator posted:Even if there is automation the maintenance jobs will be in the US, everyone thought there'd be no jobs when the industrial revolution happened too. Well, no I agree. What I'm saying is that people use "factory work" as a silver bullet to revitalize the Rust Belt when the truth is most of the unemployed people in these forgotten towns won't be able to work there without job training programs that keep getting sacked.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Lol at "without needing to pay some insurance company" you really don't understand the ACA at all, do you? There were multiple parts to the ACA. Medicaid expansion was part of it. If you were on Medicaid the federal or state governments controlled the programs that paid, not the insurance companies. The other part of it was subsidizing private insurance, but the AHCA will destroy both parts. I'm focusing on the Medicaid expansion because the Trump supporters pretend to care about criticisms from the left, and their arguments about how the AHCA doesn't make things any worse falls apart most obviously there. I understand you're incapable of understanding nuance, though.
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