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boner confessor posted:the thing you need to remember when arguing with a conspiracy theorist is that they are advocating a theological position which they believe with near spiritual intensity but they drape it in the language of rationality and skepticism. they think they are arguing logically, but really they're stating a belief which itself defies logic, one which typically centers on how special and wise the conspiracy theorist is for rising above the masses to see the true nature of reality. if you approach them and accept their perspective that they have facts which can be debated then you will waste your time, every time There were 2 minor fires in building 7 Steel frame buildings don't collapse
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El Puerco posted:You are wrong, my wood stove doesn't collapse your wood stove isn't supporting the weight of a bunch of other wood stoves
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QuarkJets posted:your wood stove isn't supporting the weight of a bunch of other wood stoves It's also not made out of just steel, also does not burn as hot as jet fuel
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The previous posters are trying to report and of course wrong
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El Puerco posted:There were 2 minor fires in building 7 do not quote me
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El Puerco posted:You are wrong, my wood stove doesn't collapse holy poo poo I thought this was a joke post until you doubled down.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:It's also not made out of just steel, also [wood] does not burn as hot as jet fuel I think I will have to demand a credible citation on that second one.  Edit: Hm. I guess one logical conclusion of all the WTC stuff is that it is for all intents and purposes impossible to melt steel. The steel industry is a hoax! They're mining the girders whole from a buried ancient civilization! Wake up sheeple! These alleged "smelters" are chemtrail refining vats! Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I think I will have to demand a credible citation on that second one. The wood in your wood stove is generally not stoked so as to be hot enough to soften metal
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El Puerco posted:The controled demolition will collapse faster than gravity Adorable. Which law are you citing - Newton's 2nd Law or the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?
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The Recovery Out is flailing as usual. For you kindergarteners if you open the wood stove, let it get more air, the fuel will burn hotter. To excess, this can even make the stove red hot in places. It doesn't collapse. Your attempt to pull state is noted. The fuel could not get hot enough to soften any structural support. No significant oxygen source noted.
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Is this english? Am I having a stroke?
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Dirk the Average posted:Adorable. Which law are you citing - Newton's 2nd Law or the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? Please educate yourself a little. Quickly, it means the energy held within the structure that keeps it standing cannot be overcome by it's energy itself. That means that an object like a post or a skyscraper cannot fall into its foot and instead will fall to the side or topple over on its side. I'm sure links have been posted here... somewhere.
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El Puerco posted:The Recovery Out is flailing as usual. For you kindergarteners if you open the wood stove, let it get more air, the fuel will burn hotter. To excess, this can even make the stove red hot in places. It doesn't collapse. Your attempt to pull state is noted. You're uh, actually serious about the wood stove thing? Pro tip: do you honestly thing that whoever designed your wood stove didn't take into account the typical temperatures it would be facing and design it such that it wouldn't melt or collapse? It's a stove, it's intentionally designed to get hot and radiate heat inwards or outwards depending on function. If your stove melts in the course of normal operation, then whoever made the stove is a complete and utter moron. I have an experiment for you to try. Perform an FEA on your stove to determine the load it can take while at room temperature. Place a fraction less weight than that on your stove. Now heat your stove up to red hot and see if it collapses. El Puerco posted:Please educate yourself a little. Quickly, it means the energy held within the structure that keeps it standing cannot be overcome by it's energy itself. That means that an object like a post or a skyscraper cannot fall into its foot and instead will fall to the side or topple over on its side. I'm sure links have been posted here... somewhere. That's uh, that's not one of Newton's laws. It also has nothing to do with entropy. It's also complete bullshit.
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El Puerco posted:The Recovery Out is flailing as usual. For you kindergarteners if you open the wood stove, let it get more air, the fuel will burn hotter. To excess, this can even make the stove red hot in places. It doesn't collapse. Your attempt to pull state is noted. Oh so your wood stove supports the weight of several additional floors above you?
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El Puerco posted:Please educate yourself a little. Quickly, it means the energy held within the structure that keeps it standing cannot be overcome by it's energy itself. That means that an object like a post or a skyscraper cannot fall into its foot and instead will fall to the side or topple over on its side. I'm sure links have been posted here... somewhere. An airplane collision and a raging inferno certainly couldn't be classified as energy entering the system ... Could they?
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El Puerco posted:Please educate yourself a little. Quickly, it means the energy held within the structure that keeps it standing cannot be overcome by it's energy itself. That means that an object like a post or a skyscraper cannot fall into its foot and instead will fall to the side or topple over on its side. I'm sure links have been posted here... somewhere. Wow, I love this
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QuarkJets posted:An airplane collision and a raging inferno certainly couldn't be classified as energy entering the system I think you'll find that building seven wasn't hit by a plane also that he's an idiot
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Sounds like the Recovery is ruffled
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not a good look to be framing your opponent as "Recovery", how many times have you been to rehab?
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QuarkJets posted:An airplane collision and a raging inferno certainly couldn't be classified as energy entering the system My torch is a raging inferno
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Brainwave Recovery
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El Puerco posted:My torch is a raging inferno And also isn't supporting the weight of several floors above it
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El Puerco posted:The Recovery Out is flailing as usual. For you kindergarteners if you open the wood stove, let it get more air, the fuel will burn hotter. To excess, this can even make the stove red hot in places. It doesn't collapse. Your attempt to pull state is noted. Dude, I own a woodstove and let me tell you, you let it get red hot like that and you're liable to start a chimney fire. Keep the temperature and airflow down dude, I'm worried for you now because you may be causing irreparable harm to your house. My personal favorite conspiracy theory is the "new chronology." It boggles the mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)
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I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's Recovery Out, Mr Puerco?
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Debate & Discussion > 9/11 Trutherism: Sounds like the Recovery is ruffled
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CountFosco posted:My personal favorite conspiracy theory is the "new chronology." It boggles the mind. Woah. I was going to say this isn't really a conspiracy theory, as opposed to a regular ol' laughably implausible batshit theory, but then: Wikipedia posted:Fomenko also cites a number of cases where carbon dating of a series of objects of known age gave significantly different dates. He also alleges undue cooperation between physicists and archaeologists in obtaining the dates, since most radiocarbon dating labs only accept samples with an age estimate suggested by historians or archaeologists. Ah, yes. The many incentives put in front of all physicists' noses by Big Archaeology to lie about results of carbon dating, in order to artificially extend human history by 4000 years. 
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My favourite thing about the new chronology is how it ignores that there was history with and indeed contact between lots of nations outside the history he covers that independently verifies a lot of stuff that'd be impossible in his system. It's the flat eartherism of history and I love it.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's Recovery Out, Mr Puerco? Those would be family trash trying to recover brainwave
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El Puerco posted:Please educate yourself a little. Quickly, it means the energy held within the structure that keeps it standing cannot be overcome by it's energy itself. That means that an object like a post or a skyscraper cannot fall into its foot and instead will fall to the side or topple over on its side. I'm sure links have been posted here... somewhere. I mean, I'm used to creationists loving up the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Truthers doing it is a new one on me!
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El Puerco posted:Those would be family trash trying to recover brainwave This only raises more questions.
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El Puerco posted:Those would be family trash trying to recover brainwave What does that mean
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:What does that mean I'm thinking gangstalking meets whatever the hell he thinks is being done with his brainwaves.
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It's been forty minutes and I've been tabbing back to this thread periodically, just to squint at that one sentence. I've gotten nowhere.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm thinking gangstalking meets whatever the hell he thinks is being done with his brainwaves. His post history says you're right.
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Skinty McEdger posted:His post history says you're right. 
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El Puerco posted:Those would be family trash trying to recover brainwave poo poo, even my crazy person translator can't parse this one. No seriously I gave it the ole college try and I got zippadee-doodah.
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El Puerco posted:The controled demolition will collapse faster than gravity I wanna hear more about this one
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The best thing about New Chronology is that it works out to being a way that Russian nationalists can pretend Russia was totally the world dominant power until very recently, then the evil west tricked everyone and claimed it for themselves.
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El Puerco posted:Those would be family trash trying to recover brainwave Just quoting for posterity
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The person I was arguing with has shifted the goal posts. First, they were concerned about the London apartment building vs WTC 7. Now it has mutated into the New American Century, the Iraq war and the "convenience" of a Pearl Harbor-esque attack, and how the hi-jackers even pulled it off. Is it even worth continuing this? They are clearly tumbling head first into the whole conspiracy theory and quite honestly, I got tired of this a decade ago. This is the first time a friend has brought this up in forever and I am surprised since they are otherwise rather intelligent.
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