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Trig Discipline posted:Oh and FWIW if you're getting into those sorts of things you should be aware that a whole bunch of DAWs still don't handle MPE data very well, or at all. Roli keeps a running list here: Is there a reason that fairly popular DAWs like Pro Tools, Ableton, and FL Studio don't have support for MPE yet? I am just surprised to see support in several DAWs, but none of those three. MrSargent fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Trig Discipline posted:Oh and FWIW if you're getting into those sorts of things you should be aware that a whole bunch of DAWs still don't handle MPE data very well, or at all. Roli keeps a running list here: Hmm... that's good to know. I may hold off then, the Seaboard is definitely the most appealing of all of the options out there but I doubt I'd ever be convinced to drop the money on Bitwig. I agree it does a lot of cool things but the company just seems so... inept when it comes to putting out a functional, supported project. I have a friend who tries very hard to use Bitwig in his regular setup, and I ask him every few months how it is, and the answer is almost always "buggy as gently caress" so that scares me too. Also goddamn I'm not ever going to buy another daw, I have too many as is. I'll just wait til Live has MPE support. I feel like it's one of the likely results of the Cycling '74 acquisition. MockingQuantum fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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MrSargent posted:Is there a reason that fairly popular DAWs like Pro Tools, Ableton, and FL Studio don't have support for Roli yet? I am just surprised to see support in several DAWs, but none of those three. The stars are not aligned like they were for MIDI, and MPE isn't 'MIDI'. The MIDI Manufacturers Association only just formed a committee to consider the approach of integrating MPE last year. Why would DAWs go out of their way to implement a proposed standard with a niche target audience? MockingQuantum posted:I'll just wait til Live has MPE support. I feel like it's one of the likely results of the Cycling '74 acquisition. wait what nooooo hope they don't get Opcode'd 
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Startyde posted:The stars are not aligned like they were for MIDI, and MPE isn't 'MIDI'. The MIDI Manufacturers Association only just formed a committee to consider the approach of integrating MPE last year. Why would DAWs go out of their way to implement a proposed standard with a niche target audience? Definitely a fair point, but the niche is getting larger. It may be a few years before there's enough pressure on them to make real progress, but the introduction of more affordable entry level MPE controllers may speed that process up significantly. Fingers crossed!
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Startyde posted:The stars are not aligned like they were for MIDI, and MPE isn't 'MIDI'. The MIDI Manufacturers Association only just formed a committee to consider the approach of integrating MPE last year. Why would DAWs go out of their way to implement a proposed standard with a niche target audience? I doubt they will. Everything points to it being pretty amicable and something both companies were in favor of doing. Zicarelli has had good things to say about it, and it sounds like Cycling is going to pretty much go on working as they have been. Overall looks like Cycling was in a financially difficult position and Ableton didn't want to lose the momentum of M4L development (and I'm sure they benefit from having some say in how Max development is targeted). Cycling employees aren't even changing offices.
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I guess I would also say why would MMA (the manufacturers) care about, effectively, a reimplementation of Mode 4. It's not like wind, ribbon, guitar controllers are a new thing. Been a minute since I read the spec but istr provision for dedicated control channels etc. The main novelty for me is the transmitter setting a channel on the receiver but how often does one really give a poo poo about that, also sysex exists.
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Startyde posted:The stars are not aligned like they were for MIDI, and MPE isn't 'MIDI'. The MIDI Manufacturers Association only just formed a committee to consider the approach of integrating MPE last year. Why would DAWs go out of their way to implement a proposed standard with a niche target audience? I don't know much about the DAWs that support MPE but did they already support MPE before the wave of the Seaboard Rise and Blocks? Otherwise, why would those implement MPE and not the others?
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The development of MPE ended up being kind of a collaborative thing between the people making those instruments and some of the niche daws, and I think Bitwig in particular.
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First attempt at an all hardware jam, audio is the direct feed. Rytm, modular & shruthi xt. I need a lot more practice, didn't prepare enough kits to use and the modular patch is super basic / a bit limited in range, but it was exceptionally good fun and i'm going to start working on prep for the next this week. Will probably do one every 4 weeks or so and spend more than a few hours prepping. https://vimeo.com/221112978
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cubicle gangster posted:First attempt at an all hardware jam, audio is the direct feed. Rytm, modular & shruthi xt. really enjoying this
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So now that I've got a robust synth collection, I'm finding that I can program them pretty well, I can sequence them pretty well, but I can't play them worth a drat. I took piano lessons for years, including through all of college which wasn't that long ago, but I guess I must have lost a lot of my technique from a few years without playing much. Are there any good resources for keyboard technique specifically for playing synths? Or should I just look to normal piano learning resources? Seems like the approach to making music on a synth (not to mention the physical differences between piano keys and synth keys) might warrant a different approach, but I haven't found anything geared towards synth playing in particular. Edit: I suppose it's worth mentioning in this context, most of my synths are monosynths & the Minilogue. So a lot of what I want to learn centers around being able to competently improvise mono lines in various "styles" or what have you. MockingQuantum fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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using a pedal to turn portamenti on/off, a rocker pedal for cutoff or other modulation are synth specific things and playing the pitch controllers -- throwing a fast bend at the start of every note adds a lot imo, and its nice to keep your left hand on the mod controller and your right hand on the keys one last synth specific keyboard technique is the arpeggiator, which is fun and useful with latch on or off, but with it off i feel is more expressive for keyboarding also, filter sweeps ftw 
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I got my Cirklon on Monday and then the Engine cv expansion in the mail on Wednesday, and my wife's been out of town on a business trip, so I've been kind of tunnel vision on sequencing. I was afraid I was going to dump my Engine when I got the Cirklon, but they are a perfect ying-yang that perfect compliment each other's strengths and weaknesses. The Engine is fun, fast, and "live," while the Cirklon is deep, intense, and methodical. Engine is a scrappy garage band, Cirklon is an orchestra. The Engine is "live," the Cirklon is "studio." They're the two best sequencers that exist, as far as I'm concerned, and I either own or have owned most sequencers (I'm a nut). Quick pic of the family - 
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Truck Stop Daddy posted:really enjoying this thank you very much! I have already started doing a little work on the rytm for the second one and have an idea for a eurorack patch that may or may not end up being used for it.
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Transistor Rhythm posted:I got my Cirklon on Monday and then the Engine cv expansion in the mail on Wednesday, and my wife's been out of town on a business trip, so I've been kind of tunnel vision on sequencing. I want to hang out for hours in this room.
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Holy Christ I'm in love with the Pyramid; it's intuitive enough for me to just play around with while also having a shitload of depth and capabilities to get into over time. It easily controls everything I have and it's so fun to just sit there and change things. It's definitely my favorite piece of gear I've bought so far; I'm glad I splurged a bit on it.
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This is really obvious when you read the labels but the 0-Coast layers really well with like simple square and triangle leads when you turn the knob all the way to "Overtone"
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MrSargent posted:I want to hang out for hours in this room. Holler at me if you're ever in Virginia!
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Transistor Rhythm posted:Holler at me if you're ever in Virginia! I am unfortunately on the other side of the country (in CA) but don't think I'm not taking a mental note of this in case I make it out there.
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I should probably stop letting friends talk me into buying samplers, but goddamn I'm loving this ASR-X I picked up. I really ought to get a rack for my stuff, but not having one is sure curbing my desires to buy more cool rack gear, so thats a plus.
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The Kastle is pretty great, well worth its cheap price. Good for adding some drone and its stepped generator is killer for actually getting something musical out of it. I got a Pocket Operator as well (I can't resist the cheap stuff) and I've been throwing that and the kastle in my bag lately if I want something to mess with out of the house. It'd probably be even cooler if I had some modular stuff for it to mess with, but I've avoided burning my money on that so far.
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vkeios posted:It'd probably be even cooler if I had some modular stuff for it to mess with, but I've avoided burning my money on that so far. 
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Yeah but the more money I spend on modules, the less I'd have for buying samplers. Also I'm a super cheap rear end, so I like just buying old garbage.
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finally put away some money to get myself something new, i'm still on the hunt for a sequencer or something but I have narrowed it down to three options: 1. Get a Thunderbolt to USB adapter + midi interface and use an iPad with Modstep 2. Electribe 2 (or if i can find a cheap functioning EMX) 3. Beatstep Pro I wish I had a synth place nearby to actually touch this stuff before spending $300ish
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vkeios posted:Yeah but the more money I spend on modules, the less I'd have for buying samplers. Also I'm a super cheap rear end, so I like just buying old garbage. 
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Just dove on an Electribe 2, someone accepted a $235 offer on Reverb. I finally have a brain!
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:how many 612s u got? I spent quality time with two 612's this weekend. I love 'em.
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Transistor Rhythm posted:I spent quality time with two 612's this weekend. I love 'em. hands down my favorite sampler i keep wondering if i should get a tyme sefari but i just play the 612 instead so far.
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:hands down my favorite sampler I got mine for $25 each back in 2003. I'd love to get a few more but I'm afraid to look at what they go for now! Seriously the most fun "analog" sampler made. So simple, so great. I've made entire tracks out of playing the sliders on one loop.
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do u have an md 280? i have one but im not too big on it, its just more fun to get new samples but its fun to hear jokes as old as i am on the weirdest format of floppy disc ever invented
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This looks cool (its real)  e; https://www.roland.com/global/products/se-02/
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Must be doing something right if it's producing takes as hot as this https://twitter.com/Chris_Randall/status/877149687412686848
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Tayter Swift posted:Must be doing something right if it's producing takes as hot as this Yes, let's, because that poo poo is cool as hell. I mean, like everything else that ever comes up in this thread, I'll never afford it, but it's pretty drat rad regardless.
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No hot takes intended but as long as this crap keeps Studio Electronics in business I'm all for it.
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That demo video of the Roland SE-02 sounds purdy  .On the one hand, I'm not thrilled that they put it into the Boutique form factor instead of a more robust traditional desktop case or something like Eurorack. On the other, it's $500 and I can respect the almost "so you punks didn't like the Boutiques, huh? You said they're expensive toys? Well gently caress you! We're making a $500 analog. But we're making it a Boutique motherfuckers. We're gonna keep loving you with Boutiques until you love it" attitude behind sticking with the format. At this point there are a bunch out there, although the proprietary mini keyboard and its connection remain laughable. They wouldn't be any less portable as Waldorf-esque MIDI modules and I'm not sold on compatibility with a plastic kickstand "dock" as being much of a feature. I wonder if Roland kept it from being Eurorack because the System-1m and System 500 exist. Did both of those flop? They both look really neat in different ways but they seem to have disappeared from discussion, in a way that the Aira effect modules haven't. Trig Discipline posted:Definitely a fair point, but the niche is getting larger. It may be a few years before there's enough pressure on them to make real progress, but the introduction of more affordable entry level MPE controllers may speed that process up significantly. Fingers crossed! Apropos of this, Roli announced Seabord Block the other day. Each one is $299(!), which is way cheaper than the Rise. AFAIK it has all of the same expressive capability and is modular + expandable like all the other Blocks stuff. http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017...ign=rel_stories http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/06/15/roli-seaboard-block-first-look/
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I'm thrilled they put it in the boutique form factor since I have an open USB spot on my MX-1. Something else to consider though is that they said this is only the first of the new boutique line so maybe we'll see versions with the CS-80 and SEM filters since Studio Electronics makes them already. Still would love Roland to put out a sampler that combines ACB filter types with their variphrase tech.
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I'm bummed that Roland is outsourcing this stuff to companies that make incredibly un-Roland sounding instruments (Malekko, Reon, SE) instead of making stuff that's full of character or at least partnering with companies that DO make Roland-sounding stuff (Cwejman, Ken MacBeth, Intellijel).
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JamesKPolk posted:This looks cool (its real) I mentioned this to a friend and his response was "Man, they barely waited until the founder's body was cold before going back to analog"...
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