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empty whippet box posted:I remember reading estimates that said things like 50,000 more deaths per year after the AHCA. The death rate in 2013 was 8.39 per 1,000. The death rate in 2014 (first year of ACA market place with ~10-11 million newly covered americans) was 8.15 per 1,000. That equates to about 51,000 fewer deaths. I don't think this can be entirely attributed to the ACA, but that estimate is at least in the same order of magnitude as what the data could indicate. Trabisnikof posted:Depends, which year do you pretend we change from the AHCA to a better alternative. Leave the system in place long enough and you'll see millions die because of it. Add in increase disease due to climate change and it might be faster than you think. It would take 15-20 years to hit 1,000,000 deaths. 30-40 years to hit "millions". I don't think we're looking at 30 years before the AHCA gets superseded by something better. Edit: Dog tax? 
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Aves Maria! posted:This is dumb. GA-06 is not going to determine the political outcomes of the entire country for the next decade. Got your cause and effect backwards there, that's all.
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I'm Excited. If Ossoff loses then I don't have to do any activism or try at all in politics because it proves the Democrats are losers and Republicans won forever. I can just sit back, pay someone at Whole Foods to chop my veggies and enjoy the fact I'm correct.
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"Clean coal industry." Drink.
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Where's the report that for each million people that have health insurance the healthcare industry gains jobs. I can't find it.
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Chilichimp posted:Well, then the Democrats lost all of the congressional special elections in between and it's starting to feel like one thing after another around here. Half the work of appointing a sitting representative is making sure their seat is a safe hold without them. These races being at all competitive is a good thing.
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Chilichimp posted:Well, then the Democrats lost all of the congressional special elections in between and it's starting to feel like one thing after another around here. They won a couple of state level races, actually. Just nothing federal.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Got your cause and effect backwards there, that's all. It's stupid both ways. What happens in a deep red district in 2017 is not a sign of national trends reaching 7 years into the future.
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scuz posted:"Clean coal industry." What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry."
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yeah huh there's no parallels to America there Trump is racist as gently caress. Le Pen is like maybe two steps removed from Holocaust denialism. She's definitely been an apologist for France's actions during WW2. That's not getting into her dad who she expelled for his views on the Holocaust.
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Dick Trauma posted:What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry." I call a b-52 with a dash of curaçao "the energy water nexus"
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Dick Trauma posted:What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry." Everclear, Kahlua & activated charcoal edit: added Kahlua
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Blue states should do a reverse-Florida and ban any mention of "clean coal" from government sources.
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Dick Trauma posted:What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry." 4oz black spiced rum (Kraken, for instance) 1oz irish cream 2 dashes bitters 2 crushed Oreos Shake to combine, strain over ice into old-tymey champagne glass rimmed with cocoa nibs.
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Aves Maria! posted:This is dumb. GA-06 is not going to determine the political outcomes of the entire country for the next decade. ossoff wins by 1000 votes - dem wave the likes of which have never been seen in 2018 ossoff loses by 1000 votes - literally satan murders every liberal on the planet
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Dick Trauma posted:What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry." Two shots of 90% Everclear dropped into Arrogant Bastard
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TGLT posted:Trump is racist as gently caress. Le Pen is like maybe two steps removed from Holocaust denialism. She's definitely been an apologist for France's actions during WW2. That's not getting into her dad who she expelled for his views on the Holocaust. These really don't seem like meaningful differences from a man who has called for religious discrimination and the execution of black criminals exonerated by DNA evidence, and endorsed torture, war plunder, and the bombing of civilians. Le Pen is just more specific about which fascists she admires the most.
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Aves Maria! posted:It's stupid both ways. What happens in a deep red district in 2017 is not a sign of national trends reaching 7 years into the future. You're right, it's probably going to be forever. (That post was a joke. The idea was, the first part was the real explanation and the second part was dumb hyperbole.)
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Aves Maria! posted:Blue states should ban "coal"
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skylined! posted:ossoff wins by 1000 votes - dem wave the likes of which have never been seen in 2018 What happens if they have an actual, for realsies, multiply recounted and confirmed tie? Do we just implode?
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Jaxyon posted:Two shots of 90% Everclear dropped into Arrogant Bastard That's my post-work drink, neat!
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scuz posted:"Clean coal industry." I could have sworn Republicans made fun of Democrats when Democrats were pushing for it.
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Dick Trauma posted:What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry." Cement Mixer with activated charcoal
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The Glumslinger posted:What happens if they have an actual, for realsies, multiply recounted and confirmed tie? Do we just implode? Southern Rules: Ladies first.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Southern Rules: Ladies first. I swear I saw something that if something like that happens in France, the older person wins
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Petr posted:You're right, it's probably going to be forever. Isn't refreshing knowing you don't have to try and you never have to take a risk for a political cause again? Just ride out this nation with as much fun as you can. The Glumslinger posted:What happens if they have an actual, for realsies, multiply recounted and confirmed tie? Do we just implode? Each state has some stupid rule to resolve it. Often a coin flip. Sometimes something dumb like alphabetical or age.
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I don't care how big they think their coal industry is going to be, no one is going to loving buy it no matter how much you dig out. China has more coal than the US and is open to other energy sources and India is going to lead the charge into solar. Russia will just take shipments and dump them into US waters as debt payments.
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skylined! posted:ossoff wins by 1000 votes - dem wave the likes of which have never been seen in 2018 It's the Arzying version of the "1000 years of liberal darkness" that people on the forums were unironically yapping about after 06/08. Turns out that one or two election cycles does not determine how voters are going to vote even two years in the future, but I guess we should read really deeply into this election bc it confirms our brokebrain doomsaying. e: Petr posted:You're right, it's probably going to be forever. Ok cool, it's hard to tell who is serious about "Dems will lose everything forever!" nowadays
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lol Spicer won't say if Trump thinks Russia interfered with the election. Throughout all of the bullshit Trump has been extraordinarily consistent with his soft treatment of Russia.
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Spiritus Nox posted:These really don't seem like meaningful differences from a man who has called for religious discrimination and the execution of black criminals exonerated by DNA evidence, and endorsed torture, war plunder, and the bombing of civilians. Le Pen is just more specific about the ways in which she admires fascists. I'm not saying there's a huge gap between the two, just that one is a horrible American racist in a very familiar homegrown way while the other is the head of a party filled with open Nazi apologists in a country with a personal history of Nazi occupation. I suspect even edit: Actually, I should really be underestimating the racists as a general rule, but still. TGLT fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm Excited. If Ossoff loses then I don't have to do any activism or try at all in politics because it proves the Democrats are losers and Republicans won forever. I can just sit back, pay someone at Whole Foods to chop my veggies and enjoy the fact I'm correct. And if he wins, it means the Democrats are finally back on track so I also don't need to do anything either! It's great to be a Democrat.
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You guys are doing it wrongDick Trauma posted:What ingredients could one use to make a coal-themed cocktail? I would call it "The Slurry." one pint of cheap bourbon one large piece of hardwood lump charcoal, crushed blend to combine, serve warm in tin cup with salted rim
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Clean coal is the biggest god drat boondoggle and waste of government money. Democrats were crucified for Solyndra. That was a lost $500 million investment. The Kemper Project, the "future" of clean coal, has cost us over $7 billion so far without a single watt to show for it and no completion in sight. Crabtree posted:I don't care how big they think their coal industry is going to be, no one is going to loving buy it no matter how much you dig out. China has more coal than the US and is open to other energy sources and India is going to lead the charge into solar. Russia will just take shipments and dump them into US waters as debt payments. Texas has a restructured electricity market and there are already 100% renewable plans for the same/less cost than other choices. disjoe fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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theflyingorc posted:They won a couple of state level races, actually. Just nothing federal. I was careful to specify congressional.
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