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Nanomashoes posted:If she doesn't have a government how come she gets to write the speech.
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And that's called a minority government, and would collapse the moment a Big Vote happens that fails and then a no confidence vote would trigger new elections? Do I have that right?
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Jun 20, 2017 18:53
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jBrereton posted:A vote for what? The Queen's Speech? No, not yet. They don't need to have any formal deal with the DUP, either, and they don't need to vote on forming it (although as pointed out already, they would win such a vote). Yeah theoretically but it's kinda weird that all this poo poo is happening just based on "well, we would win if there was a vote so just accept us now and let's not bother until friday to confirm things."
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Jun 20, 2017 18:57
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silvergoose posted:And that's called a minority government, and would collapse the moment a Big Vote happens that fails and then a no confidence vote would trigger new elections? She'll head a minority government either way. A confidence and supply arrangement doesn't make the DUP part of the government like a coalition would, it just means they'll support the minority government on key votes.
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Jun 20, 2017 19:44
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silvergoose posted:And that's called a minority government, and would collapse the moment a Big Vote happens that fails and then a no confidence vote would trigger new elections?
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Jun 20, 2017 19:44
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They did the same thing with the 2011 queen's speech for basically the same reason.
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Bryter posted:She'll head a minority government either way. A confidence and supply arrangement doesn't make the DUP part of the government like a coalition would, it just means they'll support the minority government on key votes. Right that's what I meant. Doing it this way without a coalition makes it a minority government, and if there comes a time when something important enough fails, there'll probably be an immediate no confidence vote and more elections?
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Jun 20, 2017 21:23
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https://twitter.com/mhairihunter/status/877099859941224448 this government is literally remaking the thick of it in real time
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Zikan posted:https://twitter.com/mhairihunter/status/877099859941224448 Fuckkity-bye!
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Jun 20, 2017 21:28
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*david davis opens briefcase, its filled with lad's magazines and questionable herbal supplements* "poo poo I grabbed BoJo's briefcase"
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Zikan posted:*david davis opens briefcase, its filled with lad's magazines and questionable herbal supplements* A bit generous to Boris don't you think, presuming he's actually literate?
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Jun 20, 2017 21:41
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silvergoose posted:Right that's what I meant. Doing it this way without a coalition makes it a minority government, and if there comes a time when something important enough fails, there'll probably be an immediate no confidence vote and more elections? Well, that's the thing. Prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, being defeated in Parliament on the important stuff was in itself treated as a vote of no confidence. Now you need a specifically worded motion. It's possible that the DUP will refuse to let the government legislate (because they either don't like the legislation or they're not getting what they want out of the arrangement) but support it when it comes to confidence votes because of how abhorrent the idea of a Corbyn government is to them. It may be a long time until the next election, even if the government effectively breaks down.
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Zikan posted:https://twitter.com/mhairihunter/status/877099859941224448 lol may got her brain broke by the tower fire & now the government is just careening around randomly, that owns
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Jun 20, 2017 21:55
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Zikan posted:https://twitter.com/mhairihunter/status/877099859941224448 I was under the impression that Brexit would actually save the UK scads of money and that hardened English negotiators would roll right over their flabby Brussels counterparts. How could reality be so far off from Brexiteer propaganda???
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Jun 20, 2017 21:58
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They should send the DUP to negotiate, clearly
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Bryter posted:They should send the DUP to negotiate, clearly Remind me, is headbutting allowed at these talks?
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Bryter posted:Well, that's the thing. Prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act, being defeated in Parliament on the important stuff was in itself treated as a vote of no confidence. Now you need a specifically worded motion. ooh boy you can copy us like when we had obama prez and repubs voted against anything dems did
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https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/877253596118732800 baloogan was in love with a hillary clone, owned
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Jun 20, 2017 22:34
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A no confidence vote would be very unlikely to pass as it would require active support from the DUP which is extremely unlikely as it's in their interest that the Tory seat count stays at almost exactly its current level (low enough for the Tories to need DUP help, high enough to keep evil IRA Corbyn away). As long as the DUP at least abstain on any confidence vote the Tories have an effective majority. And since the Tories don't want an election because they are pretty confident they would lose this leaves a situation where the government will likely just hobble on indefinitely for the next 5 years. It's obviously an unstable equilibrium though and a significant backbench revolt or a few bi-elections could change everything.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:40
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Nanomashoes posted:If she doesn't have a government how come she gets to write the speech. She does have a government, she just hasn't got the confidence of the commons yet. So she can write the speech on the assumption that it will pass because if it doesn't pass, her government falls. Then Labour and the opposition get a chance to form a government and if they can't, which I suspect would be the case, a new election happens. As it stands, they can pass the speech with DUP votes or with the DUP abstaining, as long as no tories rebel.
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Jun 20, 2017 22:41
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Crashbee posted:It's a reference to Colonel Blimp, a '30s cartoon character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Blimp So like General Ripper
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Homeless Friend posted:https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/877253596118732800 lmfao
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UrbicaMortis posted:She does have a government, she just hasn't got the confidence of the commons yet. So she can write the speech on the assumption that it will pass because if it doesn't pass, her government falls. Then Labour and the opposition get a chance to form a government and if they can't, which I suspect would be the case, a new election happens. haven't a few of them said they're totally rebelling though
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Homeless Friend posted:https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/877253596118732800 this is some pre-French Revolution poo poo
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Captain_Maclaine posted:A bit generous to Boris don't you think, presuming he's actually literate? you very much do not have to be literate to get something out of lad's mags
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Yinlock posted:haven't a few of them said they're totally rebelling though A few of them said they hate her loving guts but basically admitted there's nothing they can do about it, because she's got them by the balls and won't let go.
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Watch the 1st 30 seconds https://youtube.com/watch?v=hZ87NTbhS_M
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Yinlock posted:haven't a few of them said they're totally rebelling though Probably not for the queen's speech. The conservatives really don't want another election, so for the moment they're going to unite to avoid the government falling. If rebelling MPs do bring down this government, it will be later on when they've schismed hard over something, probably Brexit.
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Yinlock posted:haven't a few of them said they're totally rebelling though If you rebel on a Queen's Speech vote, especially one as vital as this, your career in politics is over.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Jezza nicked me mobile. allow it fam, the revolution calls i seens the jam man on the tele and hes bring bring, wagwan lissen rudeboys we got some socialism innit and he was well chuffed n smilin on the tele the jam man an that Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 07:48 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 07:45
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lol heard about a friend's dad (who was a huge ukip guy before) yesterday who liked corbyn and agreed with all his policies and then voted conservative anyway
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and i must meme posted:lol heard about a friend's dad (who was a huge ukip guy before) yesterday who liked corbyn and agreed with all his policies and then voted conservative anyway good to see American broke-brainedness spreading
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Lastgirl posted:allow it fam, the revolution calls It's a shameful contrast comparing Clinton's photo op with Kanye & Kim, to Jezza doing a whole conversation with JME on video.
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