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Taco Duck posted:The Democrats probably won't take control of any branch of the Federal government until the baby boomers are gone in like 15 years. The Democrats will no longer be a thing in 15 years. At least, not enough of a thing to take a branch of the federal government.
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Deified Data posted:gently caress I hope not. Imagine the narrative of Pence taking office and "restoring sanity". I like our fat dumb president just where he is until someone who's not a republican takes his place. Quorum posted:I'm an archaeologist, I work at a site where we have hard documentation of people eating fourteen year old servant girls to stay alive. It can ALWAYS be worse.
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Why doesn't that senile old gently caress do something about it then?
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PT6A posted:With the reports of polls being hosed around with to disenfranchise Democrat voters, at what point does the UN step in and say, "we want to send monitors to oversee your elections?" The UN doesn't do electoral monitoring anymore, they just do electoral assistance now. Also, lots of people monitor our elections; OSCE and OAS usually have monitors within the US during our elections.
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That was Tim Kaine. Six years later he was the vice-presidential nominee.
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Hollismason posted:The Republican Party has been "dying off" for the last 15 years. They're not going anywhere anytime soon and to think that there will be a time where their base is completely gone is kind of silly. Slate has written 2 "Republican Party is dying off" stories in like 5 years. Yeah I don't think I ever said their base will ever be completely gone.
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PT6A posted:Why doesn't that senile old gently caress do something about it then? He can't because we stopped investigating Hillary therefore all investigations must stop, remember?
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PT6A posted:Why doesn't that senile old gently caress do something about it then? I'll have you know he's very concerned
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McCaine still thinks its 2015 does that look like the face of a man who knows anything happening around him
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Zil posted:Could be worse, like the message from 2010 of "don't give them back the keys to government." Think Jon Stewart laughed in Obamas face when he said that on the daily show. 
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Ramos posted:Also the polls were hosed with, guys. DrNutt posted:This is why I don't care when Republicans are shot. How do you "vote them out" when they have control of the entire system and rig it in their favor with poo poo like this? And you can't even blame lack of Dem turnout this time. These goblins will continue suppressing the poo poo out of everyone they can because it's the only way they can stay in power, and it continues to loving work. ramos has no idea what they're talking about. the entire district is predominantly white, there are no heavily black areas in the entire 6th district. there are some areas with a substantial number of black residents but this list of changes does not correspond to any particular racial demographic pattern. verify for yourself here http://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/ anything in alpharetta is questionable, but johns creek and milton addresses are lily white, the roswell addresses are white, as were the sole sandy springs and dunwoody address it's also not suprising that a bunch of polling locations mostly at public schools were closed for renovation over summer break boner confessor fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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I honestly expect McCaine any day now to introduce a resolution to declare war on Vietnam
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PT6A posted:Why doesn't that senile old gently caress do something about it then? it's just a joke, lol haha the russian are basically controlling our elections and deciding who our representatives are, lmao haha  *votes for whatever they poo poo onto his desk anyway, without even reading it*
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Taco Duck posted:Yeah I don't think I ever said their base will ever be completely gone. They won't ever fall into demographic irrelevance. They're on the wrong side of history when it comes to a number of social issues, but they're going to adapt. The change into a majority minority electorate is decades away. Republicans will figure out how to deal with it along the way, just as political parties have managed to deal with demographic shifts literally throughout all of history. This idea that we're just waiting for the olds to die and then everything will be fine is older than anyone in this thread. It's not going to happen.
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PT6A posted:With the reports of polls being hosed around with to disenfranchise Democrat voters, at what point does the UN step in and say, "we want to send monitors to oversee your elections?" there's no reason to resort to conspiracy theories to explain why a democrat lost a heavily republican district. this thread is full of idiots
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Dirk Pitt posted:If the democrats were going to take over the House in 2018 I'd expect to see a DNC backed grass roots effort happening by now, similar to the Tea Party in 2009. Instead we get more identity politics and "at least we're not republicans" messaging. The same hubris that cost Clinton. "LYNCH OBAMA!" was the sum total of the Tea Party platform and objectives. How exactly is hatred of Trump, a tangibly more prevalent and widespread feeling, not just the Democrats Tea Party without lovely dressups?
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Paradoxish posted:They won't ever fall into demographic irrelevance. They're on the wrong side of history when it comes to a number of social issues, but they're going to adapt. The change into a majority minority electorate is decades away. Republicans will figure out how to deal with it along the way, just as political parties have managed to deal with demographic shifts literally throughout all of history. This idea that we're just waiting for the olds to die and then everything will be fine is older than anyone in this thread. It's not going to happen. I didn't say they would fall into demographic irrelevance either. Given how close our elections are, even just a substantial dip of the percentage of white voters aged 60 and over would spell disaster for the GOP almost everywhere outside of the reddest of states. The only way for them to adapt would be to become progressive themselves.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:i did and he said "at least im not on the losing side" Don't worry. He's homeless in Trump's America. He won't be around much longer.
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Taco Duck posted:I didn't say they would fall into demographic irrelevance either. Given how close our elections are, even just a substantial dip of the percentage of white voters aged 60 and over would spell disaster for the GOP almost everywhere outside of the reddest of states. The only way for them to adapt would be to become progressive themselves. I've only recently begun to realize how insane statements like these are. This place, and probably everywhere else you get your information, is a bubble. Progressives are not a significant political force in America.
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Taco Duck posted:I didn't say they would fall into demographic irrelevance either. Given how close our elections are, even just a substantial dip of the percentage of white voters aged 60 and over would spell disaster for the GOP almost everywhere outside of the reddest of states. The only way for them to adapt would be to become progressive themselves. Yes that's the Dem strategy, keep sucking up to the corporations that are loving over Americans, because once the olds who listen to current Republican propaganda die Democrats will get all the votes and so there is no need to stop enabling the depredations of the richest 1% Dems never figure out that every generation of Republicans just found a new enemy to blame for the depredations of the top 1% VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:"LYNCH OBAMA!" was the sum total of the Tea Party platform and objectives. How exactly is hatred of Trump, a tangibly more prevalent and widespread feeling, not just the Democrats Tea Party without lovely dressups? I seem to remember a lot of the Tea Party being about democrats and the federal government taking from you and wasting your money. Sure there were dress ups and some racist poo poo, but the message never moved wavered from Taxed Enough Already. To think the Koch Brothers literally thought Obama should be lynched is foolish. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:"LYNCH OBAMA!" was the sum total of the Tea Party platform and objectives. How exactly is hatred of Trump, a tangibly more prevalent and widespread feeling, not just the Democrats Tea Party without lovely dressups? Because Republicans will crawl over broken glass to pull the lever for every candidate with an (R) next to their name (though they'll piss and moan about it on Freep, et al a lot) and only become more willing to do so whenever they lose, while Democrats go home if it's cloudy and curl up into a ball of suicidal despair at every loss.
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Petr posted:I've only recently begun to realize how insane statements like these are. This place, and probably everywhere else you get your information, is a bubble. Progressives are not a significant political force in America. As is liberalism. We have the government Americ wants. People just need to realize that racist conservatism is the real America. Then, you will learn just how lovely this nation truly is and how it is truly beyond saving. gently caress America.
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Petr posted:I've only recently begun to realize how insane statements like these are. This place, and probably everywhere else you get your information, is a bubble. Progressives are not a significant political force in America. "Progressives" aren't, but people who would like Medicare for All? That's a much bigger group. The Dems should try running on economically populist stuff sometime. Who knows, they might win.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:that actually sounds like a pretty cool hobo to share a few beers with and chat to about politics if you're not really loving angry about politics to the point that hobos make fun of you That's a good solid plan but it's not the plan this thread deserves.
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Majorian posted:"Progressives" aren't, but people who would like Medicare for All? That's a much bigger group. The Dems should try running on economically populist stuff sometime. Who knows, they might win. OK sure hey you should like mail them a letter or something and let them know
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Covok posted:As is liberalism. We have the government Americ wants. People just need to realize that racist conservatism is the real America. Then, you will learn just how lovely this nation truly is and how it is truly beyond saving. Imagine sending this post back in time to 2009
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Petr posted:OK sure hey you should like mail them a letter or something and let them know Nah, I'm gonna start going to local meetings, but in the meantime, I'm happy to argue with people online who are part of the problem.  Covok posted:As is liberalism. We have the government Americ wants. People just need to realize that racist conservatism is the real America. Then, you will learn just how lovely this nation truly is and how it is truly beyond saving. This is not a fun gimmick. 0/10
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Taco Duck posted:I didn't say they would fall into demographic irrelevance either. Given how close our elections are, even just a substantial dip of the percentage of white voters aged 60 and over would spell disaster for the GOP almost everywhere outside of the reddest of states. The only way for them to adapt would be to become progressive themselves. They don't need to become progressives, they literally just need to stop being racist caricatures that force everyone who isn't a white male to vote as a single demographic bloc out of sheer self preservation. Remember that Muslim voters were, as a demographic, reliable Republican voters before the GOP decided to go off the deep end post-9/11. The Republican Party can walk back from their insane rhetoric without changing a thing about their actual policies or losing any of their base, and sooner or later they're going to realize that. You're acting as if they need to pull in huge numbers of non-white voters, but they don't. They need to pull in very small numbers to make up for their shrinking base. This isn't even close to being an insurmountable problem.
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Majorian posted:I'm gonna start going to meetings, but I'm happy to argue with people online who are part of the problem new thread title plz
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boner confessor posted:there's no reason to resort to conspiracy theories to explain why a democrat lost a heavily republican district. this thread is full of idiots LMAO partisan polling place fuckery is "a conspiracy theory." Like, Ossof may not have won either way, but there were enough stories coming out of 2016 that most people should acknowledge that the way we do elections is hosed in this country. Not to mention garbage like the voter roll purges in Republican states and even "legitimate" stuff like permanently revoking the right to vote for felons. This stuff all has a cumulative effect, and it's all aimed at making sure only "the right people" get to vote.
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Gen. Ripper posted:Because Republicans will crawl over broken glass to pull the lever for every candidate with an (R) next to their name (though they'll piss and moan about it on Freep, et al a lot) and only become more willing to do so whenever they lose, while Democrats go home if it's cloudy and curl up into a ball of suicidal despair at every loss. Right. So the problem we need to fix is the fuckwits who engage in endless purity tests and keep saying poo poo like Dem's are corporate stooges who will never raise taxes.
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Majorian posted:"Progressives" aren't, but people who would like Medicare for All? That's a much bigger group. The Dems should try running on economically populist stuff sometime. Who knows, they might win. How many of those people still like it when you talk about paying for it? Dirk Pitt posted:I seem to remember a lot of the Tea Party being about democrats and the federal government taking from you and wasting your money. Sure there were dress ups and some racist poo poo, but the message never moved wavered from Taxed Enough Already. To think the Koch Brothers literally thought Obama should be lynched is foolish. When have the Dem's not talked about how Americans deserve better Healthcare, and Republicans are loving them over and letting people die? Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:Nah, I'm gonna start going to local meetings, but in the meantime, I'm happy to argue with people online who are part of the problem. I'm a member of my local Indivisible chapter. I vote straight-D in every election, including local and midterms. I volunteer and phone bank. I'm active with local PFLAG groups. Just because I'm realistic about how meaningless and inconsequential that all is doesn't mean I'm evil.
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boner confessor posted:new thread title plz Like seriously, I don't know what thread Petr thinks he's in!
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WampaLord posted:Imagine sending this post back in time to 2009 2008 was an aberration because middle class whites didn't want to be seen as racist and Obama was very charismatic. That is no longer the case. This is Trump's America. There is little hope to ever have in its people.
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Hollismason posted:Conservatives have actually one message " They are taking from you and that is why you are not better off". It's a pretty simple message and it permeates all messages. Democrats have like 567. And I am an optimist-humanist in that I believe a Hegelian synthesis of all those mutual visions will coalesce. As a patriot, I hope it is in time for our civilization.
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