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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Everyone already mentioned how poo poo the combat is.
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FF12 owns
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Jun 21, 2017 01:57
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Mega64 posted:To be fair, it does get better later, but it definitely won't change your opinions if you're cold on the gameplay after the first hour or two.
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Jun 21, 2017 02:07
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Mega64 posted:To be fair, it does get better later, but it definitely won't change your opinions if you're cold on the gameplay after the first hour or two. I actually have heard several people say they just didn't like the combat the first time they played the game (and sometimes played THROUGH the game), but then it "clicked" later and they loved it. So you can't necessarily say people won't learn to like it later. Also, I think the combat shines during tough boss fights, and you don't really get any of those in the first hour or two. Once you get to start fighting optional espers and some of the more interesting hunts, I had more fun with the battle system in XII than any other game in the series.
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Jun 21, 2017 03:32
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I disagree with the negative comments on the soundtrack but I'm biased because I enjoy all of Hitoshi Sakimoto's work. Please play Tactics Ogre for PSP if you haven't already. I have at least 300 hours in that game.
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Jun 21, 2017 03:47
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FF12 owns if you want the video game version of watching golf or antique road show to help you fall asleep.
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Jun 21, 2017 04:11
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All of these bad opinions! AGH!
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Jun 21, 2017 04:20
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the only bad opinion in this thread is that there's good stuff in ff12
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Jun 21, 2017 05:14
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I'm looking forward to the remake. FF12 is an absolutely gorgeous game if you run it on an emulator, where you can see it scaled into HD, but the original console release has a lot of graphical limitations. I guess it's similar to Xenoblade in that way too. I never got too far in the Zodiac version of FF12, but I think it has some resemblance to games like Icewind Dale and Dragon Quest 3, where you basically design an adventuring party and see how they deal with what the game throws at them.
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Jun 21, 2017 05:32
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Nihilarian posted:If you do play the game, don't be that guy who played the game for 20+ hours because one poster in the thread said "it gets better later". You'll figure out whether you'll enjoy it or not in the first hour or two. That was me. Somebody in this thread tricked me good.
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Jun 21, 2017 05:35
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FFXII is what FFXV should've been. They took a step back in so many things FFXII already did perfectly
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Jun 21, 2017 05:47
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Schwartzcough posted:I actually have heard several people say they just didn't like the combat the first time they played the game (and sometimes played THROUGH the game), but then it "clicked" later and they loved it. So you can't necessarily say people won't learn to like it later. some guy on the bus posted:That was me. Somebody in this thread tricked me good.
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Jun 21, 2017 06:04
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WaltherFeng posted:FFXII is what FFXV should've been. 15 had problems but also didn't literally put me to sleep so nah
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Jun 21, 2017 07:27
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FFXII is a great game that I thoroughly enjoyed and if you find the Gambit system is making things feel too hands off... turn it off. You can absolutely turn it off, and then manually set character actions. Or you can just set up AI buddies and punch your own way in. Which is how I played the game.
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Jun 21, 2017 09:24
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FF XII is one of those games I hated when I first played it, but came to appreciate upon revisiting it a few times. The International version changes help too because vanilla XII is pretty unbearable. To be honest, I don't see it as a worse game than Xenoblade Chronicles and this forum circlejerked that game constantly when it first came out, praising it as the best JRPG ever when it had a lot of the same issues FF XII did.
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Jun 21, 2017 10:10
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Xenoblade has an entertaining story, more than one likeable character and areas that aren't just brown desert.
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Jun 21, 2017 10:23
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Xenoblade had an actual third act instead of yet another matsuno demon all along plot
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Jun 21, 2017 12:00
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Xenoblade Chronicles was definitely the better game, but was hampered by technical limitations and being released on a platform that restricted it's exposure. The combat systems are very different and have completely different character progression. I like both games, but Xenoblade is a Really Good Game.
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Jun 21, 2017 13:56
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If you're down with Final Fantasy then that means you're down for the whole stupid ride of convoluted, kooky plots and FF12 is such a by the numbers RPG that it doesn't deserve to be in the company of the same series that brought us FFX-2 and Lightning Returns.
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Jun 21, 2017 14:10
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WaltherFeng posted:FFXII is what FFXV should've been. FFXV is like if you took FFXV and instead of having it play itself, made the battles engaging and intense, didn't make the player endure 20 hours of worthless desert, gave it fun likable characters with great chemistry, and gave it awesome music rather than the blandest soundtrack in the series.
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Jun 21, 2017 14:12
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some guy on the bus posted:FFXV is like if you took FFXV and instead of having it play itself, made the battles engaging and intense, didn't make the player endure 20 hours of worthless desert, gave it fun likable characters with great chemistry, and gave it awesome music rather than the blandest soundtrack in the series. I dunno I didn't think 15 was that bad
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Jun 21, 2017 14:17
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Arist posted:FF12 owns 
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Jun 21, 2017 14:19
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FFXII is a really good game with some really obvious issues. How much those issues bother you will determine how much you like the very good game. For my money it has a great tone, and probably my favorite atmosphere of any FF game (especially later in the game when things get weird). I have a soft spot for the Matsuno stuff though so I'm warmer on it because of that.
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Jun 21, 2017 14:20
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Side note to games that put you to sleep: I don't think I've ever played an RPG and not fallen asleep with the controller in my hands at some point during it. My Persona 5 save is something like 120 hours because I'll be playing a little later than I ought to be and *poof* my eyes pop open and it's 4 am so I just save and go to bed. I've done that with literally every RPG I've played since ... college I guess.
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Jun 21, 2017 14:42
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FFXII threw me for a loop at times. In previous games, undead monsters were jokes you could just heal or revive and kill quickly, getting free experience! Everybody's happy! In FFXII, they will kick your teeth down your throat.
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Jun 21, 2017 15:02
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is ff14 good and is the ps4 version good
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Jun 21, 2017 15:11
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Once you get through the endless hell that is FFXIV MSQ, it becomes a good game So no it is not good
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Jun 21, 2017 15:12
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corn in the bible posted:is ff14 good and is the ps4 version good It's an MMO so no (If you like MMOs it's apparently very good)
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Jun 21, 2017 15:16
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corn in the bible posted:is ff14 good and is the ps4 version good It is both good and cool and the MSQ is one of my favorite FF plots since X.
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Jun 21, 2017 15:20
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Square Enix is messing up by not taking the Hildy and Greg story quests and making them a separate game
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Jun 21, 2017 15:20
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the msq is one of the better parts because it's all a downhill grind afterwards.
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Jun 21, 2017 15:34
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Vargatron posted:Xenoblade Chronicles was definitely the better game, but was hampered by technical limitations and being released on a platform that restricted it's exposure. I'm pretty sure the Wii was the best selling console of the seventh generation by a significant margin.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:15
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Dross posted:I'm pretty sure the Wii was the best selling console of the seventh generation by a significant margin. It's audience wasn't very well suited for JRPGs though
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Jun 21, 2017 18:18
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Xenoblade has gotten two sequels and both of them didn't require an online campaign to bring over to North America so it sounds like it's doing good with the limited audience.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:39
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The game would have had better success on PS3.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:42
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I think NoA only releasing it via gamestop, which almost immediately started scalping "used" copies did more there.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:44
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Vargatron posted:The game would have had better success on PS3. The game would literally not exist without Nintendo so probably not, no.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:44
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Getting a character in Smash Bros is like the ultimate success.
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Jun 21, 2017 18:47
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Xenoblade Chronicles had two major issues: bad RNG for item gathering in the fetch quests, and the lack of a gambit system. The computer AI was just awful at controlling your other characters, mainly Shulk (always picked lovely Monado abilities), Melia (couldn't figure out how to use her summons), and Sharla (always overheated her rifle). I'm not sure if the re-release fixed any of that. Anyway, FFXII is good, not the greatest. But good.
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The way levels work in Xenoblade isn't great either. At least when I was playing it it felt like levels were what determined the tide of battle more often than not. Maybe I was just bad at it.
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