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Elotana posted:If this were true Pelosi wouldn't have had neutral favorables in 2005, or only-slightly-negative favorables in 2009. on a national level, everybody hates every member of congress that does not represent them. im going to assume every member of congress has either "negative" or "who the gently caress is that" percentages of favorability among national voters
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HerzogZwo posted:Dear leader is speaking in Des Moines, live feeds available. Well he kind of is, he already registered to run in 2020.
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skylined! posted:who do you suggest replace her? Elotana fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Craig K posted:on a national level, everybody hates every member of congress that does not represent them. im going to assume every member of congress has either "negative" or "who the gently caress is that" percentages of favorability among national voters I do not think this is a particularly subtle or complex point but I guess everyone is too red-assed to read.
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Hollismason posted:Right the fact that one of the largest prescription service cannot negotiate prices probably has something to do with it. medi-cal, for example, has around 13 million members, They cannot use this purchasing power to drive down costs because of um
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Elotana posted:I have no idea. I would say the most important consideration is whoever can come closest to replicating her whip skills but that's not the kind of thing I'd know. As I said, I have no problem with her parliamentary chops. I have a problem with her being a very obvious electoral drag and everyone here pretending that she's secretly a non-factor and only fake polls or Republican chaos agent would suggest otherwise. welp forgive me for pointing this out then but if you don't have a solution stop jerking off over the problem
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skylined! posted:welp forgive me for pointing this out then but if you don't have a solution stop jerking off over the problem
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FizFashizzle posted:medi-cal, for example, has around 13 million members, 41 Million people are part of Medicare Part D
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Basically the GOP screamed "PELOSI!" at Ossoff so obviously that's 100% of the reason why he lost Look if the ghost of Reagan appeared and said he liked the look of that Ossoff fellow, the GOP would say "Fake ghost!" "Liberal necromancers have ensorcelled the great one!" "I never really liked him anyway, he did an immigration amnesty!"
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skylined! posted:who do you suggest replace her? rhymes with Journey Ganders
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Hollismason posted:41 Million people are part of Medicare Part D It's the most blatantly obvious example of bought out legislators it could lower healthcare costs by billion tomorrow. but nah.
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I will remind everyone that Elotanas response to the temporary two dem votes in the vote count for AHCA was " Nancy Pelosi retire bitch. " What I'm saying is he's a few mountains short of Montana and you should treat anything he posts as such.
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Elotana posted:No actually I think I'll keep posting until such time as the mods (MODS? MODS?!?!) require criticism of political figures to be accompanied with detailed recommendations as to a preferred alternative. ok but you sound like a baby idiot also you didn't respond to this so i'll assume you don't have an answer and just want to continue making GBS threads over pelosi because of polls can you point to a national election that was definitively a referendum on a single sitting congressperson
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Autism Sneaks posted:rhymes with Journey Ganders i'm sensing a teased-out joke but can't tell? topical - really just some amazing stuff coming out of this trump rally thing https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/877684913406963712
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skylined! posted:ok but you sound like a baby idiot
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skylined! posted:i'm sensing a teased-out joke but can't tell? It's a reference to someone you feel
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I don't know enough about what Pelosi brings as a congresswoman to judge her on that front, but I will say that the notion that the GOP would take longer than like a week to build Bernie or Booker or Warren or literally any democrat to get any national name recognition into a comparable boogeyman seems flatly laughable. The GOP has gotten really good at inventing imaginary boogeymen.
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Autism Sneaks posted:rhymes with Journey Ganders
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skylined! posted:i'm sensing a teased-out joke but can't tell?
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Lightning Lord posted:It's a reference to someone you feel am i missing something or is bernie able to be both a member of the senate as well as appointed to house leader that'd be uh, interesting i guess
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Spiritus Nox posted:I don't know enough about what Pelosi brings as a congresswoman to judge her on that front, but I will say that the notion that the GOP would take longer than like a week to build Bernie or Booker or Warren or literally any democrat to get any national name recognition into a comparable boogeyman seems flatly laughable. The GOP has gotten really good at inventing imaginary boogeymen.
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Elotana posted:Obviously such a thing doesn't exist and there are multiple factors in any race. Which would be a solid criticism if I had said "100% of Ossoff losing is due to Pelosi and removing her will cure all of the ills that plague the Democratic Party." k do you have an data anywhere where a sitting congressperson in one district affected any election in another district, beyond national sentiment if you can provide this i will crown you king of this petty argument
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skylined! posted:topical - really just some amazing stuff coming out of this trump rally thing It's sad that this doesn't matter since most people just seem to get "He's talking at us, wow!" from Trump Spiritus Nox posted:I don't know enough about what Pelosi brings as a congresswoman to judge her on that front, but I will say that the notion that the GOP would take longer than like a week to build Bernie or Booker or Warren or literally any democrat to get any national name recognition into a comparable boogeyman seems flatly laughable. The GOP has gotten really good at inventing imaginary boogeymen. I for one can't wait to see Joe Manchin called a pinko skylined! posted:am i missing something or is bernie able to be both a member of the senate as well as appointed to house leader Bernie Blue and Bernie Red. Is there anything stopping an energy clone of someone already in one part of Congress from running for a seat in the other? (I think a lot of people forget who's in which assembly)
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Actually I wonder if there has ever been a minority leader/speaker/senate majority/minority leader that wasn't from one of the main parties? I wish the joementum-signal still worked
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Trump's just getting in those important middle America rallies since in two years' time the only operable runways in that part of the country will be on military bases.
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skylined! posted:do you have an data anywhere where a sitting congressperson in one district affected any election in another district, beyond national sentiment
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Lightning Lord posted:It's sad that this doesn't matter since most people just seem to get "He's talking at us, wow!" from Trump https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/877685620512104449 just 
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skylined! posted:i'm sensing a teased-out joke but can't tell? Does he mean corporate farmers or actual farmers?
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I think Pelosi is an electoral drag, as Elotana said. What does she cost us? Maybe .25 of a percent? It's small, but non-zero. No, I can't prove that any one election was 100% her fault, and the Ossof would have lost anyways. I ask again - when was the last time a party leader held on as party leader after losing the majority?
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Elotana posted:I posted one piece of inductive evidence, not a deductive proof. Those don't exist in politics. You're welcome to ignore it and continue believing that Pelosi's favorables have no effect on House races. ok so actually no you can't prove this thing you are asserting cool
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Elotana posted:I posted one piece of inductive evidence, not a deductive proof. Those don't exist in politics. You're welcome to ignore it and continue believing that Pelosi's favorables have no effect on House races. I think, in general, people don't disagree that she's a drag. They're saying that A) anyone would be a drag, and that B) given A, her positives outweigh her negatives.
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Spiritus Nox posted:I don't know enough about what Pelosi brings as a congresswoman to judge her on that front, but I will say that the notion that the GOP would take longer than like a week to build Bernie or Booker or Warren or literally any democrat to get any national name recognition into a comparable boogeyman seems flatly laughable. The GOP has gotten really good at inventing imaginary boogeymen. This is the phase of the action movie where the villain has the band of scoundrels on the ropes, so their morale is breaking and they start questioning the leader
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Also, anyone who is saying "hurr durr you're buying into conservative propaganda" but also said essentially anything bad about Clinton during the election is a Bad Person.
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farraday posted:a few mountains short of Montana I love how this has become a running gag in D&D.
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Elotana posted:Look at the NBC poll. It took them years to put real stink on Pelosi. Unless you think they just weren't trying hard the first seven years. Poll looks to me like people didn't know who she was until she became Speaker Of The House/Minority Leader, at which point partisan politics broke down on now predictable lines. I see nothing at all there to suggest that any democrat to attain a leadership position or national prominence would not endure very similar phenomena.
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Crabtree posted:Does he mean corporate farmers or actual farmers? i'm thinking sentinels from the matrix?
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skylined! posted:am i missing something or is bernie able to be both a member of the senate as well as appointed to house leader your william howard taft did it!
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awesmoe posted:I think, in general, people don't disagree that she's a drag. They're saying that A) anyone would be a drag, and that B) given A, her positives outweigh her negatives. That's a lot fairer than what most people were saying.
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skylined! posted:ok so actually no you can't prove this thing you are asserting
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Is there a German word for when someone correctly identifies at least part of the cause of a problem but implements the worst solution possible?
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