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chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

SKULL.GIF posted:

It's so obviously Anduin. Both Wrynns are Multiclass.

They are also both dumb garbage, so it checks out.

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Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

chumbler posted:

They are also both dumb garbage, so it checks out.

Varian is great in hots though.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

I want Blackthorne, Blizzard!!!

But if we need a wow character they should at least add a cool one like maiev or mannoroth or an orc with the last name of hellscream and the first name "grom".

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Magna Kaser posted:

I want Blackthorne, Blizzard!!!

But if we need a wow character they should at least add a cool one like maiev or mannoroth or an orc with the last name of hellscream and the first name "grom".

You misspelled "Garrosh", the correct Hellscream choice

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Magna Kaser posted:

I want Blackthorne, Blizzard!!!

But if we need a wow character they should at least add a cool one like maiev or mannoroth or an orc with the last name of hellscream and the first name "grom".

Grom is basically already in the game (in his WC3 incarnation anyway) as Samuro, kinda. But Maiev would be fuckin awesome.

They should also straight-up replace Valeera with Garona because nobody even knows who the gently caress Valeera is. In Hearthstone too, now that I'm thinking about it.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

The Shortest Path posted:

Grom is basically already in the game (in his WC3 incarnation anyway) as Samuro, kinda. But Maiev would be fuckin awesome.

Please don't insult my friend Grom like that. But yeah, Maiev would also be cool.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

I mean, how would you implement Grom as being notably different from Samuro? They both have wind walk and clones.

Just give Samuro a skin that looks like WoD Grom.

WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn

The Shortest Path posted:

Give us Turalyon as a ret paladin. Also a wc2/3 peon.

E: also the Diablo 2 druid and assassin.

D2 assassin would be so easy to make into a fun moba hero. Lightning trap, shadow illusion, some kind of claw combo skill, leaping kick...

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!


Mannoroth could be a fun tanky specialist. Imp summons, rain of fire, fel explosions, cleave, doom, summon infernal, corrupting blood, there's all sorts of stuff to play around with.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


The Shortest Path posted:

I mean, how would you implement Grom as being notably different from Samuro? They both have wind walk and clones.

Just give Samuro a skin that looks like WoD Grom.

Just give Grom the Warrior abilities that they didn't give Varian.

But the actual answer is give us Garrosh instead and give him sha/yshaarj-based abilties.

SirSamVimes fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jun 22, 2017

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Grom succumbed to corruption. Corruption succumbed to Garrosh.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
Give Kerrigan and Jaina good ultimates imo.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Bogart posted:

Give Kerrigan and Jaina good ultimates imo.

ah yes, jaina needs a good ultimate. ring of frost isn't powerful enough.

Disargeria
May 6, 2010

All Good Things are Wild and Free!

SirSamVimes posted:

Just give Grom the Warrior abilities that they didn't give Varian.

Shockwave, Shield Block, Heroic Leap and a choice between Challenging Shout, Titan's Grip and Mortal Strike.

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

Bogart posted:

Give Kerrigan and Jaina good ultimates imo.

Both Jaina's ultimates are awesome. RoF if you got heaps of teamfight and Elemental if you need to kill squishes or zone supports.

Maelstrom is good but the Ultralisk should be targeted and burrow out of the ground, stunning or slowing people.

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

Bogart posted:

Give Kerrigan and Jaina good ultimates imo.
A Ragnaros-style wave of Braxis Zerg down the lane of Kerrigan's choice.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
New hero Overmind you replace the core and summon mercs / minions in lanes, you can tp people around, and extend your control of the map by building cerebrates.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Turtlicious posted:

New hero Overmind you replace the core and summon mercs / minions in lanes, you can tp people around, and extend your control of the map by building cerebrates.

No, the core replacement hero needs to be Ner'zhul in the Frozen Throne.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

SirSamVimes posted:

No, the core replacement hero needs to be Ner'zhul in the Frozen Throne.

Literally his only ability is All Chat.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Disargeria posted:

Shockwave, Shield Block, Heroic Leap and a choice between Challenging Shout, Titan's Grip and Mortal Strike.

Grom never, ever used a shield though. He's an axe-crazy KILL ALL THE THINGS berserker.



Turtlicious posted:

New hero Overmind you replace the core and summon mercs / minions in lanes, you can tp people around, and extend your control of the map by building cerebrates.

This sounds like a loving nightmare to balance but also awesome as hell so :yeah:

Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jun 22, 2017

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

The Shortest Path posted:

Grom never, ever used a shield though. He's an axe-crazy KILL ALL THE THINGS berserker.


This sounds like a loving nightmare to balance but also awesome as hell so :yeah:

They already planned then scrapped that as a hero and it became Abathur iirc

Kalko
Oct 9, 2004

Bogart posted:

Give Kerrigan and Jaina good ultimates imo.

In early alpha Kerrigan had Maw instead of Ultralisk (and Zagara vice versa).

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


I really wish people would stop taking Lava Wave in ranked games.

Onean
Feb 11, 2010

Maiden in white...
You are not one of us.

Coolness Averted posted:

They already planned then scrapped that as a hero and it became Abathur iirc

That's how Ragnaros started. They found it didn't play well, so don't expect a core-replacement hero any time soon.

Paranoid Peanut
Nov 13, 2009


Where is Lady Vashsz?

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Paranoid Peanut posted:

Where is Lady Vashsz?

More like Lady Whosthashsz am i right folks

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Paranoid Peanut posted:

Where is Lady Vashsz?

There are no Naga's in the game are there (including NPC's etc.)? I know Kael'Thas has an unused line for her.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

The cast will have everything eventually.

GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC
Game won't be complete without snake tits.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


New Hero will be Doomfist, released in Overwatch and HotS at the same time

He will be a melee support

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Onean posted:

That's how Ragnaros started. They found it didn't play well, so don't expect a core-replacement hero any time soon.

That makes a lot of sense. I like Rag but thought it was kind of weird that he's a squishy assassin.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

They could've made him immobile, but give him a teleport instead of a travel mode.. Like a further prohibitive Dehaka? :buddy:

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

THE BAR posted:

They could've made him immobile, but give him a teleport instead of a travel mode.. Like a further prohibitive Dehaka? :buddy:

Buddy that's how most people think abathur is played

von Metternich
May 7, 2007
Why the hell not?

Onean posted:

That's how Ragnaros started. They found it didn't play well, so don't expect a core-replacement hero any time soon.

Seems like it wasn't a balance problem, it was a players-whining that they didn't "Feel" like Ragnaros problem. If there was someone that didn't have that "feel", they might be able to get the mechanics to work.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Those mechanics sound dumb as hell though.

Also earlier post about rag being squishy, I'm pretty sure he and thrall are the beefiest assassins in the game.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


The Shortest Path posted:

Grom is basically already in the game (in his WC3 incarnation anyway) as Samuro, kinda.
Grom Hellscream representing the Blademaster class in Warcraft III was actually a concession being made for the sake of teaching players about game mechanics. Blizzard (correctly) theorized that most people would be playing the campaign before moving into Multiplayer, and they didn't want to make an entirely new Hero class just for the campaign because they felt the campaign would fail as a teaching tool if they did. Grom is depicted as a Warrior/Gladiator in the WoW RPG, which lists more accurate rules and occupations for the various legendary characters than the games they appeared in did.

Grom's actual kit that's true to his character would be nearly identical Darius from League of Legends.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Uhhh Grom is Axe, end of story.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

von Metternich posted:

Seems like it wasn't a balance problem, it was a players-whining that they didn't "Feel" like Ragnaros problem. If there was someone that didn't have that "feel", they might be able to get the mechanics to work.

It was both! They commented on mobile core and having a fatty the size of the keeps/core popping up wherever caused all sorts of map issues and they couldn't really even figure out if he should take the core's HP with him or whatever. But you're right some of the stuff like "Waaah, I wanted to be Ragnaros, not Ragnaros & Majordomo" was dumb. But I do think the "Well, it's just aba with a reskinned ice elemental for a monstrosity" was going in the wrong direction, but actually having him be a 2 characters and you swapped who you played based on sieging/fort mode or running around the map would've been cool.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


No Wave posted:

Uhhh Grom is Axe, end of story.

Same difference.

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Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Power Bottom posted:

Grom Hellscream representing the Blademaster class in Warcraft III was actually a concession being made for the sake of teaching players about game mechanics. Blizzard (correctly) theorized that most people would be playing the campaign before moving into Multiplayer, and they didn't want to make an entirely new Hero class just for the campaign because they felt the campaign would fail as a teaching tool if they did. Grom is depicted as a Warrior/Gladiator in the WoW RPG, which lists more accurate rules and occupations for the various legendary characters than the games they appeared in did.

Grom's actual kit that's true to his character would be nearly identical Darius from League of Legends.

This is neat. In that case, we should absolutely get Grom that is nearly identical to Darius.

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