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Fitzy Fitz posted:I haven't been paying much attention either, but it looks like goons are debating whether we should eat Pelosi. Meanwhile Trump tweets a cackling "Yess eat each other" message at Dems. It's more "Goons explaining Pelosi's actual job to a small subset of idiots who take right wing media at face value"
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Get real comfortable with this dumb-assed argument about Pelosi, because the 2020 Democratic Primary is going to be the same thing cranked up to 11. Jay-V posted:To pick up on this thread, is there anything preventing multiple states from teaming up to create one single-payer plan. E.g., can northeastern states and California pass laws that allow them all to share one big pool of funds, while other states continue to maintain whatever system they have. I'm probably a moron, but I see two major problems with state-based single payer systems. The first is that states don't have the budget flexibility the federal government does when it comes to deficits. As revenues wax and wane with economic cycles, the pot of money available for the healthcare system is going to constantly be in flux, which is going to really screw with coverage. The second is that as soon as one or several states setup single payer, you're going to see a huge influx of poor and sick people looking to take advantage of it, which strains resources and hurts overall care for everyone. In other words, it really needs to be done at the federal level.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:36
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Aves Maria! posted:This kind of poo poo makes no sense to me, bc I'm a full-blown socialist but I can at least respect that Pelosi fights tooth and nail for the party and I'd rather not stab someone like that in the back. Especially when it's not even clear that there is a better option out there. It makes perfect sense when you realize that some folks are more interesting in claiming scalps from inside the party than anything else. Including being effective.
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B B posted:Basically: "Nothing matters. We are all going to die." Also the occasional "To arms! To arms!" mental breakdown
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FlamingLiberal posted:Pelosi is very bland for the most part, and the only reason the GOP has succeeded in making her into a boogeyman is because Dem messaging is garbage. "They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred." ~Nancy Pelosi, in my dreams.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:38
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Aves Maria! posted:This kind of poo poo makes no sense to me, bc I'm a full-blown socialist but I can at least respect that Pelosi fights tooth and nail for the party and I'd rather not stab someone like that in the back. Especially when it's not even clear that there is a better option out there. I keep saying - if we want to get rid of Pelosi, or anybody for that matter, it should be because we think it will pull the party and the country left, not in some utterly misguided attempt to sway people right enough to buy in to the GOP's own messaging. So far I've seen no compelling evidence for any stance on Pelosi beyond "she has had an effective career i nthe house," which is a point in her favor, and "the GOP hates her", to which I can only say "no poo poo."
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Senate's version of AHCA is up: https://www.budget.senate.gov/bettercare
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Ok Nancy Pelosi can stay but in return the vending machines in the Capitol lobby need to lower their drink prices to 75 cents a dollar is too much for a soda.
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B B posted:Senate's version of AHCA is up: At absolute first glance it looks to me like what people have been saying: still loving garbage but trying to hide behind delaying the worst cuts until after 2020.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:40
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Oh God please tell me they're honestly trying to use the word "BetterCare" for real.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:41
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Spiritus Nox posted:At absolute first glance it looks to me like what people have been saying: still loving garbage but trying to hide behind delaying the worst cuts until after 2020. Can that late-stage armageddon poo poo be overruled if the Dems bumble their way into power before then? That's always been something I wasn't sure of with long-term legislation. It's not 100% set in stone just because a 2020 implementation was approved in 2017, right?
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Pleads posted:Can that late-stage armageddon poo poo be overruled if the Dems bumble their way into power before then? That's always been something I wasn't sure of with long-term legislation. It's not 100% set in stone just because a 2020 implementation was approved in 2017, right? Medicare for All would fix it.
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Pleads posted:Can that late-stage armageddon poo poo be overruled if the Dems bumble their way into power before then? That's always been something I wasn't sure of with long-term legislation. It's not 100% set in stone just because a 2020 implementation was approved in 2017, right? You'd need to get approval from the president to make legislative changes.
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Drone posted:Oh God please tell me they're honestly trying to use the word "BetterCare" for real. It's already Trumpcare in the media.
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Xae posted:It makes perfect sense when you realize that some folks are more interesting in claiming scalps from inside the party than anything else. Including being effective. At this point, anyone standing in the way of a change of strategy needs to have their scalp collected. I'm not sure Pelosi is actually a major roadblock herself, but a lot of longtime Democratic strategists need to have their heads on pikes right about now.
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Omarossa doesn't know how to not be craven and weird. Michael Clarke Duncan really dodged a bullet. https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/877515143436959744
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Majorian posted:At this point, anyone standing in the way of a change of strategy needs to have their scalp collected. I'm not sure Pelosi is actually a major roadblock herself, but a lot of longtime Democratic strategists need to have their heads on pikes right about now. This is what I'm so confused about - since when are house leaders electoral strategists instead of legislative ones?
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Jun 22, 2017 15:49
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Majorian posted:At this point, anyone standing in the way of a change of strategy needs to have their scalp collected. I'm not sure Pelosi is actually a major roadblock herself, but a lot of longtime Democratic strategists need to have their heads on pikes right about now. If a Democratic house majority is elected with a clear mandate for single payer, Pelosi would fight for it because that's her job. Elect better Democrats people.
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Just due to the fact that most of that bill's language is specifically referencing things in the ACA, it's hard to actually tell how bad some of the cuts are (specifically the cuts to Medicaid, which I made a bee-line to). It's clear they're bad, but how bad? No idea. Hopefully there will be a good synopsis put up by someone wonkier than me in a few hours.
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Spiritus Nox posted:This is what I'm so confused about - since when are house leaders electoral strategists instead of legislative ones? They don't know the names of the "strategists," so they want the scalps of people whose names they do recognize.
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I think the visuals of Pelosi is worse than the actual situation. It's just another Clinton attack line waiting to fester. A old - and quite unpopular politician being the leader of the party. She polls really poorly - far more than any other leader of a party in the house in history. And that has me worried.
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Any hot takes on the senate bill yet? I need them.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:I think the visuals of Pelosi is worse than the actual situation. It's just another Clinton attack line waiting to fester. A old - and quite unpopular politician being the leader of the party. Hi I see Cucked People!
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Jun 22, 2017 15:54
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Doo doo doo *skips 14 pages* welp, still Pelosichat.
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Push El Burrito posted:Any hot takes on the senate bill yet? I need them. https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/877875172874883072
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:I think the visuals of Pelosi is worse than the actual situation. It's just another Clinton attack line waiting to fester. A old - and quite unpopular politician being the leader of the party. So don't run Nancy Pelosi for President and instead continue to run her in the district she still consistently wins, and let candidates in other districts make arguments for their own drat candidacies. How about that?
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Amused to Death posted:The best way to move the Democratic party forward is clearly to appease Republicans and remove their boogeyman from leadership Forget about republicans. Democrats have been decimated under her leadership. It just is what it is. Spiritus Nox posted:So don't run Nancy Pelosi for President and instead continue to run her in the district she still consistently wins, and let candidates in other districts make arguments for their own drat candidacies. How about that? What does her winning her district have to do with anything?
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:She polls really poorly - far more than any other leader of a party in the house in history. And that has me worried. If HuffPo's aggregates are to be believed, she polls just 1% worse than Paul Ryan. By contrast, however, her favorables have been flat for the last few years while Ryan's have been getting much, much worse in the last year. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/nancy-pelosi-favorable-rating http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/paul-ryan-favorable-rating
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Nothus posted:If a Democratic house majority is elected with a clear mandate for single payer, Pelosi would fight for it because that's her job. Elect better Democrats people. I think they gotta nominate some better Democrats before we can elect them. I agree with the first part though. Spiritus Nox posted:This is what I'm so confused about - since when are house leaders electoral strategists instead of legislative ones? Aves Maria had it right when he said the actual responsibility for Democrats' string of failures lays with the DCCC. They're the ones that need to be replaced as soon as possible. TheScott2K posted:They don't know the names of the "strategists," so they want the scalps of people whose names they do recognize. I've been calling for Brian Fallon to be launched into the sun for months now.
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oohhboy posted:To use some Americanism, "Why are you trying to murder your own star quarterback"? Oh it's people lapping up RWM propaganda. Star quarterback? She's the Jay Cutler of Democratic politics. Yeah, she's thrown some awesome Hail Mary passes in her day but she's long past her peak utility. Edit: Also, gently caress football analogies.
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Blocking recording of WH Press release is the dumbest idea. It just handicaps them from releasing any message that is coherent. The only WH press release that people will see now will be Trumps tweets which has not gone well for them so far.
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mcmagic posted:What does her winning her district have to do with anything? It is literally the beginning and end of Pelosi's job as far as elections go, as I understand it. Majorian posted:Aves Maria had it right when he said the actual responsibility for Democrats' string of failures lays with the DCCC. They're the ones that need to be replaced as soon as possible. Yeah I've got no real argument on that point.
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Aves Maria! posted:If HuffPo's aggregates are to be believed, she polls just 1% worse than Paul Ryan. By contrast, however, her favorables have been flat for the last few years while Ryan's have been getting much, much worse in the last year. Do you not see how bad those numbers are?
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mcmagic posted:Forget about republicans. Democrats have been decimated under her leadership. It just is what it is. Another useless facsimile of a thought from mcmagic.
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Aves Maria! posted:If HuffPo's aggregates are to be believed, she polls just 1% worse than Paul Ryan. By contrast, however, her favorables have been flat for the last few years while Ryan's have been getting much, much worse in the last year. Well ya. He's in power right now, and people are seeing what a poo poo job he's doing.
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Reporters should start making things up that happened at these press conferences and since there's no video or audio evidence it'll be their word against the White House's. "Trump came out, said 'I did 9/11', then left."
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mcmagic posted:Forget about republicans. Democrats have been decimated under her leadership. It just is what it is. pssst... that's not her job GOOCHY posted:Star quarterback? She's the Jay Cutler of Democratic politics. Yeah, she's thrown some awesome Hail Mary passes in her day but she's long past her peak utility. Is she? Not a single Dem defected on the AHCA under her watch. What is that, if not effective?
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