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TFRazorsaw posted:at last, now I'll have a REASON to scream Galick Gun at the top of my lungs. I want optional mic integration that makes shouting move names increase their power.
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Drowning Rabbit posted:I watched maxamillion dudes thoughts on fighter z and he was noting that the fighters felt very samey. I really hope there is some individuality between them, as that is what ruined extreme butoden on the 3DS for me That's not what he said (and that's not his name). He said that every character has the same basic inputs, but how they actually play is different, which honestly is the best way to go in my opinion. It stops the game from being unneccesarily complex (especially for a fandom whose most complex title was Super Dragon Ball Z, which didn't have nearly as many players as the more simplistic Budokai, Tenkaichi and Xenoverse series) while keeping every character unique and, hopefully, fun.
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Jun 16, 2017 02:26
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Needlessly complicated inputs and combo string memorization is what kept me away from fighting games for the longest time so the further they deviate from that the better imo.
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Blaze Dragon posted:That's not what he said (and that's not his name). He said that every character has the same basic inputs, but how they actually play is different, which honestly is the best way to go in my opinion. It stops the game from being unneccesarily complex (especially for a fandom whose most complex title was Super Dragon Ball Z, which didn't have nearly as many players as the more simplistic Budokai, Tenkaichi and Xenoverse series) while keeping every character unique and, hopefully, fun. First off, he spells his name like a 2 year old, and I'm not partaking in perpetuating that. Otherwise though, I listened to the video at work while doing other stuff so I'm not surprised I missed a nuance.
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Drowning Rabbit posted:First off, he spells his name like a 2 year old, and I'm not partaking in perpetuating that. Maximilian is his actual first name what are you even talking about, it's not like a weirdly spelled play on "maximum million" or something But yeah it breaks down as: same combo inputs, similar outcome(launcher, follow-up, etc), but different moves throughout. I'm sure different characters will have different strings be more or less useful, but this is a smart way to make the game more accessible without actually dumbing things down at all As someone who's biggest stumbling block to playing fighting games is just remembering how to execute combos it sounds really great
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Kelp Plankton posted:Maximilian is his actual first name what are you even talking about, it's not like a weirdly spelled play on "maximum million" or something Ah, his name is a typo, my bad, I was referring to his spelling of dood. Regardless, I still am concerned that having he same strings for erroneous will water the game down to pick who looks neat, and that is the depth. In Extreme Butoden for example, you literally had upwards of 4 or 5 combos that everyone shared, some which would chain into a super. Not some would chain for some characters, just the super chain worked on everyone. I was supremely disappointed with it. I am by no means good at fighting games, but I enjoy playing games that have unique characters like Guilty Gear. Are they harder to get into than games that dumb it down to one sequence to learn for everyone? Sure. But they will keep my attention much longer than a play session.
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Extreme Butoden is a Game Boy game, I don't think it was ever supposed to be taken seriously. It's $15 right now if people are really curious, but so is Fusions and that's a genuinely fun game so get that instead.
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mabels big day posted:i hope each ultimate makes you do the same pose/action as the actual attack and not just a standard beam motion Mechanically it makes more sense for there to only be a handful of motions to get the system to reliably interpret. (and for a person to memorize) Arms crossed then thrown to the sides for transformations makes sense. Both hands back to both hands forward for Kamahameha attacks. One hand straight up to down at 90 degrees would work for Special Beam Cannon, Destructo Disk, Supernova etc. Both arms raised for spirit bomb. I seem to recall from the Wii days that while up and down, and side to side registered reliably, back and forth really didn't. Now, that was two full hardware iterations back, so maybe it's better now.
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Jun 17, 2017 18:01
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CzarChasm posted:Mechanically it makes more sense for there to only be a handful of motions to get the system to reliably interpret. (and for a person to memorize) It was also using a sensor bar which I don't think is the case for the Switch
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For characters in dbz fighters do not expect anymore than 18 playable at the absolute optimistic max, and more than likely 12-16. Arc system works has never done a lot of playable characters in the first revision of a game, especially considering how much work each character takes. For example: Blazblue launched with 12 characters Persona 4 arena launched with 13 GG xrd launched with 16 characters That said expect a lot of DLC. Also for non fighting game heads, keep in mind less characters like isn't the worst thing as each character you can expect them to play 100% uniquely, unlike many dbz games where everyone plays mostly the same minus a few special moves. *ed* Drowning Rabbit posted:I watched maxamillion dudes thoughts on fighter z and he was noting that the fighters felt very samey. I really hope there is some individuality between them, as that is what ruined extreme butoden on the 3DS for me Please note max is really bad and barely understands fighting games. Evil Canadian fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Jun 17, 2017 19:57
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24 seems like a safer bet than 18 - yes it's an ASW game but it's also one being funded by Namco and it's a 3v3 game so I like to think they'd step it up. My guess is it'll be all Z-era people and maybe Beerus and all the new characters (including god forms and whatever else) will be DLC, pre-order unlocks, etc.
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The 3v3 dragon ball game is going to have 2 more characters than Xrd at launch okay
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Jun 18, 2017 00:45
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xrd is the most amount of characters ASW has ever put in a new franchise(counting it as new since everything from previous engine scrapped). Like I said 18 characters being very optimistic as that will be their new highest amount of characters ever for a new game. 24 or 30 or whatever just isn't gonna happen and only setting yourself up for disappointment, doesn't matter if its 3v3 or not.
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Jun 18, 2017 02:19
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http://imgur.com/a/ola3h Bunch of the moves lined up with their manga panels.
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If they're using everything from Xrd mostly I don't know how it would take them longer, if anything the familiarity would make things easier. Everything about the art and design is done for them. Hell the movesets are done for them. The hard part is just animating it all. and they have 6-9 months or so.
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speaking of Max, he has another video about his talks with Bandai during E3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAJMNi6ryg the main bulletpoints: - This is a game designed for both fighting game fans and DB fans rather than how Xenoverse et all are designed for DB fans first. - There will be robust singleplayer stuff, multiplayer is a big part obviously but they explicitly want modes for more casual fans to enjoy as a major feature too. -Transformations seem to be varied up vs a universal 'do this combo to transformation' mechanic. Goku goes SS3 in a super cutscene only but Freiza can go golden as a buff that drains meter. No solid detail further than that but that's because it felt like characters are very unfinished right now. -Roster poo poo! There won't be five Gokus thanks to the way transformations are, which means it won't be as bloated/samey as other DB games. They also are choosing characters from all generations 'to satisfy the broad dragon ball fan audience' rather than focusing on one. We have no more details so we don't know if that means Dragon Ball and GT and poo poo or if it just means all eras of Z/Super are up. -'not actively looking into developing cross platform play at the moment, BUT willing to look into it if there's a huge demand from the audience'. Same answer for Switch, not on the menu right now but if there's a big demand they haven't written 'NO SWITCH EVER' in stone.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:33
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So youre saying turtle is confirmed??
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Jun 22, 2017 15:43
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No, Turtle is not confirmed. The fish from the first episode however? That's in.
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https://www.destructoid.com/dragon-ball-fighterz-adds-future-trunks-444270.phtml Future Trunks confirmed. Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Pyroi posted:No, Turtle is not confirmed. gently caress that I want the dinosaur
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sexpig by night posted:speaking of Max, he has another video about his talks with Bandai during E3 every single thing they're talking about sounds fantastic. robust modes, no "5 Gokus" poo poo, a broad selection of characters, variance of transformations.
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I'm a Nintendo babby, so a Switch version would be amazing. I know GG isn't known for alternate costumes, but I hope Trunks is this game's exception 'cause I prefer his Super look. If Adult Gohan is in, he needs a Great Saiyaman alt. too.
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I don't think ArcSys has ever done alt costumes if only because merely animating this poo poo is a huge job. However, I insist we get Badman Vegeta.
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Yea I'm most into the transformation stuff. Stuff like Gold and SS and all should be just simple meter drain buffs maybe with cool gimmicks like changed moves and all. Beyond that are we really gonna pretend the difference between SS 1 and SS 3 matters for the game? Just stick that into a badass super move cutscene and it'll feel way more epic than just 'ok I gotta mash out my transform combo three times to get the most out of it before my meter drains'. The iconic stuff needs to be there but this gives options for stuff like Buu going Super Buu for his insta-kill and all and that's a way more fun thing to focus on.
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DLC Inc posted:I don't think ArcSys has ever done alt costumes if only because merely animating this poo poo is a huge job. However, I insist we get Badman Vegeta. I asked a friend who's a huge GG fan and apparently one and only one character in Revelator has an alternate costume. It's the big boobed bride character. No surprise there.
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Reinanigans posted:I asked a friend who's a huge GG fan and apparently one and only one character in Revelator has an alternate costume. It's the big boobed bride character. No surprise there. Big Boob Badman Vegeta confirmed
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sexpig by night posted:Big Boob Badman Vegeta confirmed  Related, saw these awesome people at Megacon Orlando last month: 
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some of the designs in GGxrd like Dizzy and Elphelt were obnoxious but were nothing compared to Blazblue, which turns up the anime dial to the worst degree. Dragonball is kind of a sausagefest though aside from like, Android 18?
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DLC Inc posted:some of the designs in GGxrd like Dizzy and Elphelt were obnoxious but were nothing compared to Blazblue, which turns up the anime dial to the worst degree. Dragonball is kind of a sausagefest though aside from like, Android 18? I would not be surprised if we see Kale or Caulifa if just to give the game more lady fighter who are not Android 18. Otherwise, yeah, that's it unless they do Chi-Chi/Bulma in a mecha suit/Arale.
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DLC Inc posted:some of the designs in GGxrd like Dizzy and Elphelt were obnoxious but were nothing compared to Blazblue, which turns up the anime dial to the worst degree. Dragonball is kind of a sausagefest though aside from like, Android 18? The most powerful character in Dragon Ball is a lady, Bulma. After that you got what, Chi-Chi, Videl, Pan, Bra, Marron, Launch, Mai, Arale, Kale, Caulifa, and uh, that one chick also named Marron that Krillin dated for a week and named his daughter after seriously what the gently caress krillin?
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ImpAtom posted:I would not be surprised if we see Kale or Caulifa if just to give the game more lady fighter who are not Android 18. Otherwise, yeah, that's it unless they do Chi-Chi/Bulma in a mecha suit/Arale. Considering the likely extremely limited roster, I wouldn't have my hopes up for new characters like Kale and Caulifla. 18 is pretty much the only female character with real chances to get in.
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If I can play as Arale in a legit fighting game I'll be ecstatic. That's some good tiny servbot fighter stuff. But I don't think she'll get in with how small I'm sure the roster will be.
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Kelp Plankton posted:If I can play as Arale in a legit fighting game I'll be ecstatic. That's some good tiny servbot fighter stuff. But I don't think she'll get in with how small I'm sure the roster will be. gag comic characters are too OP, won't be in.
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just give me a fighting game where I can play actual canon trained fighter Chi-Chi
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Monaghan posted:gag comic characters are too OP, won't be in. Its Arc-Sys, I feel like I can safely say one unexpected character will be in, but it remains to be seen if that will mean Mr. Satan or like, Pikkon or some deep cuts from DB.
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sexpig by night posted:just give me a fighting game where I can play actual canon trained fighter Chi-Chi Super Dragon Ball Z if you want her as an adult, Budokai Tenkaichi 3 if you want her as a child.
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Barudak posted:Its Arc-Sys, I feel like I can safely say one unexpected character will be in, but it remains to be seen if that will mean Mr. Satan or like, Pikkon or some deep cuts from DB. Ninja Murasaki for Dragon Ball FighterZ. QCB+P to accidentally sodomize yourself
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Barudak posted:Its Arc-Sys, I feel like I can safely say one unexpected character will be in, but it remains to be seen if that will mean Mr. Satan or like, Pikkon or some deep cuts from DB. Farmer with a Shotgun finally gets his day in the limelight
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Barudak posted:Its Arc-Sys, I feel like I can safely say one unexpected character will be in, but it remains to be seen if that will mean Mr. Satan or like, Pikkon or some deep cuts from DB. honestly I'd say Mr Satan counts as expected by now, he's been in most fighting games and ArcSys loves their silly poo poo so it'd be much more shocking if mr 'special move is tricking opponent into taking a present of plastic explosives' Satan wasn't in than was. I'm hoping for someone just dumb as poo poo like King Kai or Uub.
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