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HappyHippo posted:Is Johnson a conservative? Obviously the other three are. Now all we need is a few moderate defections to yank it at the other end and there's a good chance it could fall apart. ignore this post: i confused johnson with portman. johnson i have no loving idea what hes doing. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Aves Maria! posted:Wait, so Collins and Murkowski are actually for this shitshow or they haven't yet decided? Because if it turns out to be 6 against, I'm feeling pretty confident nothing will be passed. They also "said" they wouldn't vote to defund Planned Parenthood.
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evilweasel posted:In this scenario he is one of "the moderates" because Ohio needs more funding for opioids and expanded medicaid. Ron Johnson is a tea partier, though?
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evilweasel posted:In this scenario he is one of "the moderates" because Ohio needs more funding for opioids and expanded medicaid. Johnson is from Wisconsin. same thing tho
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Aves Maria! posted:Ron Johnson is a tea partier, though? yeah i just realized johnson is not portman, i don't know how those two got crossed in my brain
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between being saved by rand paul and dying, im feeling very conflicted
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Jun 22, 2017 19:11
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mcmagic posted:They also "said" they wouldn't vote to defund Planned Parenthood. Murkowski actually didn't vote to defund PP iirc, she voted against the original obamacare repeal as a result.
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mcmagic posted:They also "said" they wouldn't vote to defund Planned Parenthood. this is a hell of a non sequitur
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Jun 22, 2017 19:11
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So I assume Heller is fully onboard this poo poo show?
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cyphr555 posted:Johnson is from Wisconsin. He got his seat by a ~4% margin last year so provided people remember...
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So I assume Heller is fully onboard this poo poo show? *Hems and haws, votes yes*
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Are we sunk far enough to pin our hopes on Ted Cruz? God, I hope not.
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Endorph posted:between being saved by rand paul and dying, im feeling very conflicted "saved". They'll just remove MORE poo poo and he'll vote for it.
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Aves Maria! posted:this is a hell of a non sequitur Not really. It's in the bill.
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Those four could also be trying to exact concessions before the amendments are proposed. They may flip yes if nothing changes.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So I assume Heller is fully onboard this poo poo show? Looks like the moderates are feeling lucky, and they may only be saved by the combined evil of the four biggest shitheads in the Senate
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Jun 22, 2017 19:13
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I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Source? Revelations.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? Not evil enough.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? doesn't repeal obamacare enough, same as paul and lee
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? It's not evil enough. He probably wants something closer to full repeal.
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moostaffa posted:"saved". They'll just remove MORE poo poo and he'll vote for it. At this point why are they leaving anything unstripped? McConnell might as well just force the "moderate" hands and make it as draconian as he literally can under reconciliation rules.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? Probably doesn't kill enough people fast enough.
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mcmagic posted:Not really. It's in the bill. what you posted in no way answered my question and it was barely connected to it at all
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HappyHippo posted:Paul Cruz Johnson and Lee are the four horsemen Hey, at least now we will have actual Death Panels!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So I assume Heller is fully onboard this poo poo show? Heller is the same as Collins: he "has concerns" and will likely vote yes if his vote is needed in exchange for a fig leaf, will vote no if it's going down anyway.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? He's crazy tea party. Bill does not give shivs to conservatives with which to execute the sick
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? It falls short of his vaunted goal of the immediate execution of anyone above a certain blood pressure.
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Lol they'll amend it to make it worse and none of the "moderates" will flip to no because there are literally no Republican moderates
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LaserShark posted:Are we sunk far enough to pin our hopes on Ted Cruz? God, I hope not. ted cruz will never do the right thing for the right reasons, but sometimes he'll do the right thing because it's stabbing other republicans in the back
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? Because he's a scorpion and he doesn't know how to not sting. The only question is if this means the bill is about to get worse or if they just try to let the whole thing die finally.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I don't understand Ted's angle here. Why is he opposed? He wants zero government dollars to go to pay for health care.
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This just further reinforces my belief that a Ted Cruz Presidency would have been the true Worst Timeline.
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It's impressive that there isn't a single "moderate" that even wants to look like they aren't ready and willing to literally murder people.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This just further reinforces my belief that a Ted Cruz Presidency would have been the true Worst Timeline. Nah, this is worse.
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evilweasel posted:Murkowski actually didn't vote to defund PP iirc, she voted against the original obamacare repeal as a result. I'm pretty confident that Murkowski wouldn't go for this, given her record and on grounds that she opposes eliminating the Medicaid expansion. Now if only Sullivan wasn't such a worthless rear end in a top hat...
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Lemming posted:Lol they'll amend it to make it worse and none of the "moderates" will flip to no because there are literally no Republican moderates the silver lining is that the original gambit seemed to be to make it just evil enough to get most of the conservatives, but not so evil that it means immediate and harsh electoral repercussions. If they make it more to the fuckhead caucus' tastes, its likely medicaid would phase out before 2020 in which case the gambit has even less chance of working and they're going to get hosed sideways.
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Paradoxish posted:It's impressive that there isn't a single "moderate" that even wants to look like they aren't ready and willing to literally murder people. no, that's exactly what they're doing. they express concerns. they're concerned about murdering people. real concerned. oh look, they got an amendment that one lucky person will be granted thirty days of free health insurance every decade. see, they were so concerned, they got that man 30 days of healthcare. so they voted yes, but they were concerned. they want to look like they're not ready and willing to literally murder people, they just still want to actually do it.
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Stickman posted:I'm pretty confident that Murkowski wouldn't go for this, given her record and on grounds that she opposes eliminating the Medicaid expansion. Now if only Sullivan wasn't such a worthless rear end in a top hat... If I'm still in Colorado in 2020, I'm going to get so much satisfaction out of voting Corey Gardner's rear end into unemployment just for this.
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