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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Who is this loser? quote:President, The Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (@FREOPP). Editor, @ForbesOpinion. Author: Transcending Obamacare; How Medicaid Fails the Poor.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Who is this loser? What counts for a conservative health care wonk.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:40
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boner confessor posted:he got like fifty less votes despite a 100k drop in total votes cast. that is a big improvement he underperformed a fictional person then
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:It turns out that when people are about to lose their health coverage due to legislative malfeasance, they tend not to give a poo poo about Pelosi or endlessly relitigating special elections. Shocking, I know. Literal, actual brokebrains are on Capitol Hill today getting arrested and beaten and pulled out of their wheelchairs And the only thing people here can talk about is stupid infighting bullshit
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Jun 22, 2017 22:41
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WampaLord posted:Amazing how absolutely determined the centrists are to learn nothing from that. Hell, in the other thread JC blatantly lied about what happened just so he wouldn't have to learn a lesson. "but he they didn't win gotta focus on winning"
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Jun 22, 2017 22:41
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Boon posted:You could always, you know, focus on why Wisconsin never expanded Medicaid. Isn't his name Scott Walker assisted in his role but an utterly inept state Democratic party?
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Jun 22, 2017 22:41
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Who is this loser? He's supposed to be the "thoughtful, responsible conservative health care expert." lol He also thinks that poor people do better if they have no health insurance than medicaid. He's scum.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:42
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So I am going to guess Kansas for the state which puts Medicaid eligibility at 0% of the Federal Poverty level. They seem to consistently make bad decisions.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:42
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Raskolnikov38 posted:he underperformed a fictional person then Most candidates underperform "generic party politician" in polls.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:42
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Literal, actual brokebrains are on Capitol Hill today getting arrested and beaten and pulled out of their wheelchairs People did talk about that. Then we saw Dem leadership be all "tone it down" and that irritates people.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:42
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I don't think Ossof should have run on a platform of full communism now now but I think "oh god protect health care" and "take marginally better care of wage slaves" would have been uncontroversial, nominally left stances that might have given him some traction. Instead every ad was "we gotta cut spending, and hold Trump accountable." With "invest in renewable tech" as an afterthought.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:43
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Cabbit posted:I'm confused; democrats generally have a lovely turnout on elections that don't include a presidential ballot, don't they? Shouldn't the fact that the numbers stayed roughly consistent be seen as an improvement? handels votes dropped by over 60k vs when price kept the seat during the presidential election ossoff came within 100 votes of the same total from the presidential election also something like 70% of the campaign funding came from small donations, many of which were out of state donors all great signs but you just can't stop the leftist circular firing squad
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Jun 22, 2017 22:43
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boner confessor posted:he got a huge amount of votes and he made a bunch of pig ignorant leftist purists madder than hell so mission accomplished imo Look at this post. Boner confessor is so dedicated to the status quo he attacks the entire concept of trying something different. Have fun losing elections forever. But you'll have made those leftists real mad.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:43
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Raskolnikov38 posted:he underperformed a fictional person then he didn't actually underperform, unless you have some odd metric by which 48% is a lower number than 38%
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Jun 22, 2017 22:43
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Jaxyon posted:People did talk about that. No, Dem leadership said members weren't going to stage their own sit-ins because they worried the media would cover the Democrats and not the bill. They didn't say anything like "tone it down" unless you're looking for an excuse for inaction.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:44
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mango sentinel posted:I don't think Ossof should have run on a platform of full communism now now but I think "oh god protect health care" and "take marginally better care of wage slaves" would have been uncontroversial, nominally left stances that might have given him some traction. Instead every ad was "we gotta cut spending, and hold Trump accountable." With "invest in renewable tech" as an afterthought. it's almost like he was running in a super red district or something
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boner confessor posted:he didn't actually underperform, unless you have some odd metric by which 48% is a lower number than 38% Raw vote totals, sorry should have been clear
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boner confessor posted:it's almost like he was running in a super red district or something addendum to this post: bernie sucks and i have no interest in jacking off about how the dems need to enact full communism now. i am just saying that his ads and messaging sucked.
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boner confessor posted:he got a huge amount of votes and he made a bunch of pig ignorant leftist purists madder than hell so mission accomplished imo That's a whole lot better than "they should keep doing the same thing even though it has repeatedly failed to the point where they suffered huge losses several elections in a row".
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Jun 22, 2017 22:46
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Raskolnikov38 posted:he got less votes than the previous democrat to run, who may be an entirely fictional person But.. like, 24 less votes, out of ~125,000, while vote share went up from 38% to 48%. And again, hasn't the eternal problem been that democrats just don't turn out for non-presidental elections like the GOP does? Wouldn't democrats turning out in 2018 in numbers similar to 2016 be a considerable boon?
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If there's one thing americans hate, it's popular and catchy sloguns like "medicare for all". We better stick with "affordable care act but with certain substantial improvements along vectors likely to decrease overall costs while maintaining a consistent standard of care"
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Jun 22, 2017 22:47
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Endorph posted:i dont think ads of a kid in a super expensive house in a nice suit tweeting were going to sway conservatives either sure but that's a problem of execution where most of the whiners itt are moaning about content, which is an argument with no substance meant only as super repetitive masturbation about who can be angriest at the fact that fatcats exist
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Literal, actual brokebrains are on Capitol Hill today getting arrested and beaten and pulled out of their wheelchairs Technically those were brokebodies
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Cabbit posted:Wouldn't democrats turning out in 2018 in numbers similar to 2016 be a considerable boon? but he lost. he is a loser #sad #MAGA
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haveblue posted:Technically those were brokebodies *Cerebral* palsy So both
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enraged_camel posted:That's a whole lot better than "they should keep doing the same thing even though it has repeatedly failed to the point where they suffered huge losses several elections in a row". *candidate narrowly defeated in closest election in recent memory* "ugh this isn't working, HUGE electoral losses!"
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Jun 22, 2017 22:49
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boner confessor posted:*candidate narrowly defeated in closest election in recent memory* "ugh this isn't working, HUGE electoral losses!" Yeah, There are huge electoral losses.
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Cabbit posted:But.. like, 24 less votes, out of ~125,000, while vote share went up from 38% to 48%. And again, hasn't the eternal problem been that democrats just don't turn out for non-presidental elections like the GOP does? Wouldn't democrats turning out in 2018 in numbers similar to 2016 be a considerable boon? his percentage only increased because GOP turnout cratered. ga-06 is probably not a winnable district until a way is found to double the amount of people willing to turn out and vote democrat in non-special elections
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boner confessor posted:*candidate narrowly defeated in closest election in recent memory* "ugh this isn't working, HUGE electoral losses!" So who's paying the salary that keeps you from understanding this concept?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:his percentage only increased because GOP turnout cratered. ga-06 is probably not a winnable district until a way is found to double the amount of people willing to turn out and vote democrat in non-special elections i mean also dem turnout increased but we need to ignore that part so we can feel pessimistic and mad about the future WampaLord posted:So who's paying the salary that keeps you from understanding this concept? your father, who is my lover
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boner confessor posted:sure but that's a problem of execution where most of the whiners itt are moaning about content, which is an argument with no substance meant only as super repetitive masturbation about who can be angriest at the fact that fatcats exist
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enraged_camel posted:That's a whole lot better than "they should keep doing the same thing even though it has repeatedly failed to the point where they suffered huge losses several elections in a row". Did Stooksbury run the same kind of campaign as Ossoff?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:his percentage only increased because GOP turnout cratered. ga-06 is probably not a winnable district until a way is found to double the amount of people willing to turn out and vote democrat in non-special elections But democratic turnout didn't crater, which by all past indicators it should have. Does that not say anything positive to you?
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Endorph posted:i think there are also problems of content, or at least getting that content across to voters. democrats just blatantly don't have the sway over their base and especially undecideds that republicans do, for a variety of reasons. ossof made some gains but not as much as he was projected to, even in scenarios where handel won, and at the end of the day he still lost in a district that clearly wasn't an inevitable loss, considering that the election was still fairly close. i don't think discussing how similar races in 2018 could be turned into wins is a circular firing squad. sure, but hammering the "he's not leftist enough!" button over and over like a pigeon in a psychological study is not exactly what i would call discussion
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I am prepared to take over leadership of the Democratic party but by golly there's going to be some changes and I don't think all of you will approve of them.
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boner confessor posted:sure, but hammering the "he's not leftist enough!" button over and over like a pigeon in a psychological study is not exactly what i would call discussion Well, more centrist candidates losing seems like it's becoming the elephant in the room, so maybe we should start talking about it more.
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Cabbit posted:But democratic turnout didn't crater, which by all past indicators it should have. Does that not say anything positive to you? well the Georgia democrats have about a year to try again then
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Endorph posted:i think there are also problems of content, or at least getting that content across to voters. democrats just blatantly don't have the sway over their base and especially undecideds that republicans do, for a variety of reasons. ossof made some gains but not as much as he was projected to, even in scenarios where handel won, and at the end of the day he still lost in a district that clearly wasn't an inevitable loss, considering that the election was still fairly close. i don't think discussing how similar races in 2018 could be turned into wins is a circular firing squad, especially when most of his 'gains' were really republican losses. It's really very simply. Republicans fall in line. Democrats dont. This is because we have a monopoly on critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, it also means that we've convinced a whole wing of the party not to vote for 'wall street' candidates, conveniently forgetting that that's literally all candidates because it turns out wall street, whether they should be or not, actually is important.
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mango sentinel posted:I don't think Ossof should have run on a platform of full communism now now but I think "oh god protect health care" and "take marginally better care of wage slaves" would have been uncontroversial, nominally left stances that might have given him some traction. Instead every ad was "we gotta cut spending, and hold Trump accountable." With "invest in renewable tech" as an afterthought. i don't disagree but I imagine this also had a lot to do with research on voter motivation for the district. going to go out on a limb and say that ga06 has a larger portion of people on employee healthcare than most of the country.
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