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Hieronymous Alloy posted:*Cerebral* palsy Gotta wonder what the arresting police officers were thinking as they hauled off people with Cerebral palsy. Really living the dream, huh guys?
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BardoTheConsumer posted:It's really very simply. Republicans fall in line. Democrats dont. This is because we have a monopoly on critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, it also means that bernie Sanders convinced a whole wing of the party not to vote for 'wall street' candidates, conveniently forgetting that that's literally all candidates because it turns out wall street, whether they should be or not, actually is important. If literally every candidate is going to be a Wall Street candidate, why bother voting for them?
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BardoTheConsumer posted:It's really very simply. Republicans fall in line. Democrats dont. This is because we have a monopoly on critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, it also means that bernie Sanders convinced a whole wing of the party not to vote for 'wall street' candidates, conveniently forgetting that that's literally all candidates because it turns out wall street, whether they should be or not, actually is important.
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boner confessor posted:it's almost like he was running in a super red district or something It's moderately red and he was never going to leech FYGM Cobb voters from a generic Republican campaigning on taxes/spending cuts because the Republicans are always gonna offer more. He might have stolen some on other issues.
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skylined! posted:i don't disagree but I imagine this also had a lot to do with research on voter motivation for the district. And most of them would probably love to not be in constant fear of losing their job lest they lose healthcare, or dream about starting a business but worry about medical bills in the interim, or just want to change jobs without losing coverage. Employee coverage isn't exactly the creme de la creme here.
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Endorph posted:bernie is simultaneously so unpopular that a candidate in his image would have lost but so popular that he is making it so centrist dems lose every election? sorry for the stealth edit: but yes. It turns out you can be both. If, say, the tea parties hadn't voted trump, he would have lost. Every vote matters, and every person who stays home because the democrats aren't idiologically pure is partly responsible for the mess we're in now. Of course, gerrymandering and voter suppression are also to blame but we should focus on the thing that might actually change.
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Endorph posted:bernie is simultaneously so unpopular that a candidate in his image would have lost but so popular that he is making it so centrist dems lose every election? if he were that popular the democrats would shift. he isn't so they haven't but his slackadasical idolators are sabotaging themselves, yes mango sentinel posted:It's moderately red and he was never going to leech FYGM Cobb voters from a generic Republican campaigning on taxes/spending cuts because the Republicans are always gonna offer more. He might have stolen some on other issues. given his turnout he very well could have but itt we're currently locked into the framing that close is no cigar so there's no real room for nuance here
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So Labour essentially had this same conversation with lots of centrists going "when Corbyn loses big this will be on your head, we got close to the Tories before and you're loving it up" and then made major gains. So are we going with "American Exceptionalism" or "Parlimatentary system different" on that one. I"m not sure if GA-06 could have gone better but the mainline DNC doesn't seem to be interested in trying to lean into progressive stuff.
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Jaxyon posted:So Labour essentially had this same conversation with lots of centrists going "when Corbyn loses big this will be on your head, we got close to the Tories before and you're loving it up" and then made major gains. Like being vocal for legal weed and single payer probably would lose them nobody and gain them some.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Every vote matters, and every person who stays home because the democrats aren't idiologically pure is partly responsible for the mess we're in now. What about people who stayed home because Hillary didn't convince them she cared about them? I doubt Rust Belt voters care about purity tests. Jaxyon posted:Like being vocal for legal weed and single payer probably would lose them nobody and gain them some. loving a, man.
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Hey guys remember Trump? That guy?
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WampaLord posted:What about people who stayed home because Hillary didn't convince them she cared about them? I doubt Rust Belt voters care about purity tests. They weren't going to be reached and you know it. To convince someone you want to help them, they first have to be listening to you.
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enraged_camel posted:That's a whole lot better than "they should keep doing the same thing even though it has repeatedly failed to the point where they suffered huge losses several elections in a row". what should they have gambled on in this district that no democrat has sniffed within 10% of winning in three decades should they have run a dead civil war general with a far left message
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Jaxyon posted:Like being vocal for legal weed and single payer probably would lose them nobody and gain them some. Worked for Trudeau
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BardoTheConsumer posted:They weren't going to be reached and you know it. To convince someone you want to help them, they first have to be listening to you. Yes, who could have possibly reached them. Who indeed.
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If Trump winning in the same cycle that an old Jewish socialist almost knocked off Hilary didn't convince you all that this country is desperate for different kinds of politics I don't know what will. EDIT: It doesn't need to be full communism now, people are hungry for loving anything other than the same corporatist shtick.
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prom candy posted:Worked for Trudeau I think being post-Trump(look I'm on topic) made it clear that people had to suck it up and go centrist if that was their only other option. May wasn't quite "neo-hitler" just fairly awful Tory.
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WampaLord posted:Yes, who could have possibly reached them. Who indeed. Nobody on the D side. For clarification, I'm not saying the current way is working . I'm saying nothing will work until the right wing narrative collapses. Which, yeah, it isn't going to do in our lifetimes. Their voters are still convinced they're being persecuted despite them controlling every branch of government and two thirds of the states.
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Endorph posted:bernie is simultaneously so unpopular that a candidate in his image would have lost but so popular that he is making it so centrist dems lose every election? Bernie's mouth is writing checks the rear end party can't cash.
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The Republicans are on the verge of murdering tens of thousands of people, can we shut the gently caress up about Bernie Sanders and John Ossoff?
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The centrist wasteful spending rhetoric gained 15 points over the last Dem to run. Next Dem should move further right to win the election imo.
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fsif posted:The Republicans are on the verge of murdering tens of thousands of people, can we shut the gently caress up about Bernie Sanders and John Ossoff? I think everyone here is pretty mad about this and are reacting to it different ways.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:05
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I love watching the left eat itself while the right eats the corpses of the poor.
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Dick Trauma posted:I am prepared to take over leadership of the Democratic party but by golly there's going to be some changes and I don't think all of you will approve of them. how the gently caress you gonna manage attorney general AND speaker of the house?!
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Relentlessboredomm posted:If Trump winning in the same cycle that an old Jewish socialist almost knocked off Hilary didn't convince you all that this country is desperate for different kinds of politics I don't know what will. "john ossoff was bad because he didn't win and his failure to convince a majority of the people to support him demonstrates how his policies were a failure. now let me tell you how the people clamor for bernie sanders, who very nearly won in a stunning almost victory which should be regarded as a harbinger of things to come"
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Jaxyon posted:I think everyone here is pretty mad about this and are reacting to it different ways. Yup fsif posted:The Republicans are on the verge of murdering tens of thousands of people, can we shut the gently caress up about Bernie Sanders and John Ossoff? Well while we wait on such notably great examples of humanity like Ted Cruz to decide our fate we're attempting to focus on something else other than impending doom.
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boner confessor posted:"john ossoff was bad because he didn't win and his failure to convince a majority of the people to support him demonstrates how his policies were a failure. now let me tell you how the people clamor for bernie sanders, who very nearly won in a stunning almost victory which should be regarded as a harbinger of things to come" Keep loving that chicken, man. I look forward to you being super excited for Booker 2020.
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Jaxyon posted:I think everyone here is pretty mad about this and are reacting to it different ways. That's fine, they can do it in the thread for it.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:If Trump winning in the same cycle that an old Jewish socialist almost knocked off Hilary didn't convince you all that this country is desperate for different kinds of politics I don't know what will. just need to find the right PR team to craft the perfect message to reach those millenials!
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^^^ Hahah, some overpaid consultants are doing focus groups as we speak. Spiritus Nox posted:I love watching the left eat itself while the right eats the corpses of the poor. The "left" isn't eating itself, it's desperately trying to convince the centrists to try something new while pointing to the mounting wall of corpses the right piles up.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hey guys remember Trump? That guy? There is no Trump, only Zuul
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For the sake of my sanity, please tell me more GOP senators are going against the bill and it won't just be hallpasses.
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Hollismason posted:So I am going to guess Kansas for the state which puts Medicaid eligibility at 0% of the Federal Poverty level. They seem to consistently make bad decisions. You cant fix a state that took how long it did to finally do something about the brownback experiment Covok posted:For the sake of my sanity, please tell me more GOP senators are going against the bill and it won't just be hallpasses. Jokes on you, friend sadbrains
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Gotta wonder what the arresting police officers were thinking as they hauled off people with Cerebral palsy. Really living the dream, huh guys? Protect and serve 
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let's hold hands and get mad at other things together https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/878011810955132928 https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/877971213179654145 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/877982716838400000
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Jaxyon posted:So Labour essentially had this same conversation with lots of centrists going "when Corbyn loses big this will be on your head, we got close to the Tories before and you're loving it up" and then made major gains. I really like Jeremy Corbyn and I think we should try his kind of stuff here in America because clearly poo poo ain't working these days. Relentlessboredomm posted:^^^ Hahah, some overpaid consultants are doing focus groups as we speak. Yes. I am a centrist and I am convinced now. Corbyn did it. Also the healthcare bill is possibly the most evil and mean bill I've ever seen in modern history. I think the only thing more transparently evil than it in all of American history is the Fugitive Slave Act.
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axeil posted:I really like Jeremy Corbyn and I think we should try his kind of stuff here in America because clearly poo poo ain't working these days. This actually cheered me slightly because I was like "hey, not the worst ever after all! Things do get better"
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