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What's the over under on this thing getting passed anyway? Last i heard on NPR it was looking pretty questionable. Edit: posting from phone so I cannot pay the dog tax though I'd like to. Will you accept the dog in my soul?
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BardoTheConsumer posted:What's the over under on this thing getting passed anyway? Last i heard on NPR it was looking pretty questionable. at least 9
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Jaxyon posted:I think being post-Trump(look I'm on topic) made it clear that people had to suck it up and go centrist if that was their only other option. You're thinking of Corbyn, Trudeau is the Canadian PM and he was elected a year before Trump. He ran a pretty far left campaign (left of the NDP on a lot of issues) and focused on moderate deficit spending on infrastructure, legalization of weed, and electoral reform (which isn't going to happen). He won a huge wave just a few years after his party had been banished to the nether regions of Canadian politics. Trudeau himself is not a big full communism now socialist, but he ran with real policies and threw out weed legalization to bring out the non-voters. Simple stuff.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:27
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Isn't his name Scott Walker assisted in his role but an utterly inept state Democratic party? Wait you're from Wisco right? Anyway, I feel like at this point fixing local politics and righting the ship comes first for Wisconsin.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:30
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BardoTheConsumer posted:What's the over under on this thing getting passed anyway? Last i heard on NPR it was looking pretty questionable. 12.5
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Jun 22, 2017 23:31
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BardoTheConsumer posted:What's the over under on this thing getting passed anyway? Last i heard on NPR it was looking pretty questionable. Sadly, there's a pretty good chance that the bill gets passed, after some posturing and theater by the "holdout" Rs. And don't worry about the dog tax, it's not mandatory anymore.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:31
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Boon posted:Wait you're from Wisco right? Anyway, I feel like at this point fixing local politics and righting the ship comes first for Wisconsin. Our state sucks hard and gop is largely at fault here, hopefully this gerrymander case ends up actually mattering. This stupid assclown is on a course to 0 just like loving brownback did
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Jun 22, 2017 23:32
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DaveWoo posted:Sadly, there's a pretty good chance that the bill gets passed, after some posturing and theater by the "holdout" Rs. Just because it's not mandatory doesn't mean this thread doesn't need a cute dog right now.
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ABC news is reporting very negatively on the bill so we got that going for us.
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prom candy posted:You're thinking of Corbyn, Trudeau is the Canadian PM and he was elected a year before Trump. He ran a pretty far left campaign (left of the NDP on a lot of issues) and focused on moderate deficit spending on infrastructure, legalization of weed, and electoral reform (which isn't going to happen). He won a huge wave just a few years after his party had been banished to the nether regions of Canadian politics. Trudeau himself is not a big full communism now socialist, but he ran with real policies and threw out weed legalization to bring out the non-voters. Simple stuff. I'm honestly surprised the new wave of elections hasn't seen Dems push for legalization or at least decriminalization on a national scale. It's a massive crutch to budgets, would motivate a poo poo load of younger (25-40) voters that might actually show up, and would almost certainly not lose any massive bloc of D voters. But I guess public pushes for popular options that might actually fix some things is not in the DCCC's bag of tricks. If they don't fix this poo poo I feel like the alt-right could capitalize on it and the left would be dead for generations in America. It's highly unlikely but if the Libertarian wing actually gets Republicans to legalize weed, they would probably steal a hefty portion of the young vote for a long time. The scary part is I could see them doing that while ramping up the war on drugs for other "real drugs", specifically ones that are currently more popular in minority communities.
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Boon posted:Wait you're from Wisco right? Anyway, I feel like at this point fixing local politics and righting the ship comes first for Wisconsin. Hahah nope, I move around a lot though, in part thanks to having gotten used to it while in the military. Never lived in Wisco though.
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RasperFat posted:It's a massive crutch to budgets, would motivate a poo poo load of younger (25-40) voters that might actually show up, and would almost certainly not lose any massive bloc of D voters. There are a lot of older black voters who are a pretty reliable bloc that oppose legalization. At least, in my state there are.
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prom candy posted:You're thinking of Corbyn, Trudeau is the Canadian PM and he was elected a year before Trump. He ran a pretty far left campaign (left of the NDP on a lot of issues) and focused on moderate deficit spending on infrastructure, legalization of weed, and electoral reform (which isn't going to happen). He won a huge wave just a few years after his party had been banished to the nether regions of Canadian politics. Trudeau himself is not a big full communism now socialist, but he ran with real policies and threw out weed legalization to bring out the non-voters. Simple stuff. I actually got completely confused and was thinking Macron who was running a centrist campaign against a nazi
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RasperFat posted:I'm honestly surprised the new wave of elections hasn't seen Dems push for legalization or at least decriminalization on a national scale. The Republicans aren't going to legalize poo poo with Sessions leading the DOJ.
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Petr posted:There are a lot of older black voters who are a pretty reliable bloc that oppose legalization. At least, in my state there are. I've thought about that, but oppose enough to not still vote D? I don't think it's like abortion where there is no room for compromise in a candidate.
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Autism Sneaks posted:the face of socialism well deserve Meanwhile, Barack Obama just made a public statement on this which is something he said he was unlikely to do. https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10154996557026749
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Jun 22, 2017 23:49
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Jaxyon posted:Like being vocal for legal weed and single payer probably would lose them nobody and gain them some. More like being authentic human beings. Name a single authentic human being in a leadership role in the Democratic party currently outside Bernie? Biden isn't in office anymore. Neither is Obama. Hillary was the farthest from a authentic human being you could get. You need to be down home- no bars frilled American. The Montana guy was a good candidate because he did that pretty decently well - he lost because he had little money and was really a political nobody. I could see him doing better in the future. Ossoff was not a down to earth candidate, he was presented as a politician. Somehow relying on the concept "people are sick of Trump so they'll want a normal politician." The centrist dems were betting on that...they were wrong. Joe Donnelly, John Tester, Sander Levin, John Conyers, Tim Ryan, Angus King, loving Bill Nelson why do you think he has survived this long? But you got to have a character and a backbone - this is why Tim Kaine will get you nowhere. He's too drat nice. I don't know how the Democrats find such a endless pool of bad candidates....it's ridiculous.
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RasperFat posted:I've thought about that, but oppose enough to not still vote D? I don't think it's like abortion where there is no room for compromise in a candidate. Who'd vote for a Democratic Congressional candidate if they supported legalization but wouldn't otherwise? Especially when the House has no chance of legalizing it seems like a moot point that will only ensure the local police and sheriff associations actively campaign against you.
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DaveWoo posted:The Republicans aren't going to legalize poo poo with Sessions leading the DOJ. Yeah lol at the current administration doing it. I said it's highly unlikely, but if Ds don't start to take hold of this issue in 5-10 years a Ron Paul type rear end in a top hat could kneecap the Dems pretty hard.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:More like being authentic human beings. The house. Maxine loving Waters. The senate is, almost by definition, full of out of touch millionaires.
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DaveWoo posted:The Republicans aren't going to legalize poo poo with Sessions leading the DOJ. Which makes me laugh so hard at all the dumbshit stoner libertarians who insisted that Trump would probably legalize it maaaaaan.
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FWIW liz warren, kamala harris, and al franken are decently relatable.
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Trabisnikof posted:Who'd vote for a Democratic Congressional candidate if they supported legalization but wouldn't otherwise? Especially when the House has no chance of legalizing it seems like a moot point that will only ensure the local police and sheriff associations actively campaign against you. Actually a poo poo load of local cops don't like the weed laws. It's an assload of work that doesn't help the community. The issue is mobilizing the base, not flipping voters. And a lot of people are sick of the war on drugs, especially with marijuana. It's casual use ubiquitous in media and culture now for people under 50. It would almost certainly mobilize voters who would otherwise not bother to vote.
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Al Franken was on the Blabbermouth podcast and apparently they asked him if he's going to run. Haven't listened to it yet though.
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RasperFat posted:Actually a poo poo load of local cops don't like the weed laws. It's an assload of work that doesn't help the community. The issue is mobilizing the base, not flipping voters. And a lot of people are sick of the war on drugs, especially with marijuana. It's casual use ubiquitous in media and culture now for people under 50. It would almost certainly mobilize voters who would otherwise not bother to vote. Individual cops don't, but a lot of departments are funded by the war on drugs. Edit: to say nothing of the prison industry
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prom candy posted:You're thinking of Corbyn, Trudeau is the Canadian PM and he was elected a year before Trump. He ran a pretty far left campaign (left of the NDP on a lot of issues) and focused on moderate deficit spending on infrastructure, legalization of weed, and electoral reform (which isn't going to happen). He won a huge wave just a few years after his party had been banished to the nether regions of Canadian politics. Trudeau himself is not a big full communism now socialist, but he ran with real policies and threw out weed legalization to bring out the non-voters. Simple stuff. If Bernie looked like Trudeau (as opposed to a gnome who lives in a hedge) he'd be president right now.
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DaveWoo posted:The Republicans aren't going to legalize poo poo with Sessions leading the DOJ. They are more likely to do the opposite, and start enforcing federal laws.
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RasperFat posted:Actually a poo poo load of local cops don't like the weed laws. It's an assload of work that doesn't help the community. The issue is mobilizing the base, not flipping voters. And a lot of people are sick of the war on drugs, especially with marijuana. It's casual use ubiquitous in media and culture now for people under 50. Doesn't matter what the rank and file think, it matters if the Local Police Association is running ads against your candidate or not. quote:It would almost certainly mobilize voters who would otherwise not bother to vote. I don't think that's true for congressional elections when federal legalization is a pipe dream.
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God that Ossoff Tweet commercial sucks on so many levels. For all the reasons it's bad that you can pick up in the first five seconds, the real payoff is the end: This, the thesis statement, "tweets suck". And the entire commercial is him sitting there tweeting. I mean he can't be going for subtle irony in a GA house race can he?
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Majorian posted:Which makes me laugh so hard at all the dumbshit stoner libertarians who insisted that Trump would probably legalize it maaaaaan. I know a guy who was pitching this well after the Sessions nom was announced. Something about weed gives people really selective hearing. BarbarianElephant posted:If Bernie looked like Trudeau (as opposed to a gnome who lives in a hedge) he'd be president right now. I dunno, lotta woodland creatures like Spicer and Sessions seem to find the White House easy enough to get in and out of these days.
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Petr posted:Al Franken was on the Blabbermouth podcast and apparently they asked him if he's going to run. Haven't listened to it yet though. He said no, which is the only sane answer a person can give at this point in time. RE: relatability Americans who COULD be convinced to vote for Democrats but usually don't voted for Trump because they want someone who can scream at stuff convincingly Obama could. Bernie could. trump could. Hillary couldn't.
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Can this please not become the generic politics chat thread? Enough has happened/is happening today that we don't need to litigate the Democrats or pet issues that'll totally win the Rust Belt, if only the DCCC...
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Health care protests happening at DCA airport right now: https://mobile.twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/878000937587154945
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Pander posted:He said no, which is the only sane answer a person can give at this point in time. I want a Democratic candidate who repeatedly yells two things over and over again 1 Medicare for all 2 Trump is a lying sack of poo poo and the GOP are a bunch of enabling cowards. Stop with the nuance stop with the "see my website for my stances!" Just loving make volume and be angry. It's the only way to beat Trump.
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DaveWoo posted:Health care protests happening at DCA airport right now: This OWNS
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BarbarianElephant posted:If Bernie looked like Trudeau (as opposed to a gnome who lives in a hedge) he'd be president right now. So if he were Gavin Newsom and not Bernie Sanders.
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skylined! posted:how the gently caress you gonna manage attorney general AND speaker of the house?! It's a horse-race to see which one I get and I promise I will only do one or the other. Speaker gets a better parking spot.
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