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Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

logikv9 posted:

imagine being so insane that you back another ryan for any position of power

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mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

MariusLecter posted:

To manipulate a ideological purist into doing his bidding?

that was a side benefit but Joker is being 100% when he makes the "dog chasing car" analogy.

he does just do. things.

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

emotionless carpetbagger takes on a real insidious meaning when you also think of hillary

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Bip Roberts: Mar 29, 2005

Thatim posted:

Lol

huh?

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ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

well yeah but it's 23 million more than today which is what i meant and what that figure refers to

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Tainen posted:

Has anyone heard from since he was summoned to brief DJT? I hope he is ok.

We never even heard from the guy who asked Carson a question for us lol

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Flavius Aetass: Mar 30, 2011

a helpful bear posted:

The best Ryan despite his creator

all those books rule if you ignore the occasional liberal reporter smirking jewishly and getting owned by a gruff old whatever

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ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

ryan gosling is the best of all ryans

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Squizzle: Apr 24, 2008

Pook Good Mook posted:

It's clear to me that there are a lot of people inclined to vote for a Democrat but don't because of ideological purity/liberal firing squads. But at the same time these people are dumb enough to hoist their own personal expectations on a popular candidate who is unlikely to do any of the things they assume he will (Obama).

I hate to be this cynical, but I think the issue is simpler than the decision of hard-left vs. hard-centrist. There are only two things that seem to make a difference to liberal fence sitters: someone who is popular, and someone who doesn't run from the fact that they're a Democrat. Obama and Bill Clinton weren't perfect ideologically, but at least you never saw them try to hem and haw because the Republicans were big meanies. Obama's instincts were right when he realized that on the issues most people are actually pretty frigin liberal but they won't get there voting for someone who is embarrassed by their own positions. Bernie got that. People who voted for Stein, or who wanted Bernie and stayed home are ideologically empty simpletons. They'll vote for someone so long as they're CLOSE to liberal (because they'll hoist their own views on them), and they'll vote for anyone they THINK isn't an empty suit. These people are already dumb enough to think that "not voting sends just as strong a message" when all it does it make things shittier faster. If they aren't cynical enough to vote for the lesser of two evils because of some misguided principle then trick them into voting for someone that doesn't LOOK like the lesser of two evils.

My litmus test for 2020 primaries:

Personally popular
Not embarrassed by their views

Corey Booker is a two-faced rear end, but at least he never apologizes. Clinton didn't lose because she's a neo-liberal, she lost because she appeared fake. I spend every day with rural Iowans. The majority of them don't REALLY pay attention to political positions beyond thinking X politician is a "phony." Maybe a leftist is the right call, but I think it's simpler to just follow the Obama playbook.

back up and talk more about the liberal face sitters

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:17

a helpful bear: Aug 18, 2004; Slippery Tilde

Flavius Belisarius posted:

all those books rule if you ignore the occasional liberal reporter smirking jewishly and getting owned by a gruff old whatever

Yeah the stories are good as hell. Gotta separate the artist from the art

That's why Tom Cruise as an actor owns

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Flavius Aetass: Mar 30, 2011

actually Nolan Ryan is the best Ryan

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Martin BadClixx: Jul 14, 2012; ^{dada stijl}

hallebarrysoetoro posted:

clinton lost because of the economy

rural america is dying and trump promised them a return to glory

suburban trash gloms onto the whole blue collar spiel (see the continuing fad of poo poo like harleys or unironically wearing carhartt while they go pick up tucker and cullen from their ice hockey practice)

clinton can win in 2020 when the economy has been in the shitter for 2 years

Lol

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Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

I wonder when Jill Stein will finish that recount she got millions of dollars to do.

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FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Flavius Belisarius posted:

actually Andrew Ryan is the best Ryan

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Squizzle: Apr 24, 2008

the best ryan is orion of the new gods

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Thatim posted:

Lol

I said essentially the same thing as the other guy but with a lot less effort :smith:

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:19

GobiasIndustries: Dec 14, 2007; Lipstick Apathy

Flavius Belisarius posted:

actually Nolan Ryan is the best Ryan

Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIZB9O24BEE

e: Nolan Ryan was 46 years old at the time of this fight

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:19

MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Tainen posted:

I wonder when Jill Stein will finish that recount she got millions of dollars to do.

They have money counting machines doesnt take. Long to count a few millions.

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Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

ScrubLeague posted:

ryan gosling is the best of all ryans

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Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

I can't wait to read the report from Pence's investigation into the three million illegal votes.

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Jabronie: Jun 4, 2011; In an investigation, details matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1fUwKMdAI

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ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

ryne sandberg

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Martin BadClixx: Jul 14, 2012; ^{dada stijl}

Nichael posted:

I said essentially the same thing as the other guy but with a lot less effort

I know.

But you posted like 6 posts before that you got physical sick from pod save America

It was a legit 'lol'

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:20

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Jabronie posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1fUwKMdAI

stop trying tor make me horny

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:20

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Tainen posted:

I can't wait to read the report from Pence's investigation into the three million illegal votes.

I voted three million times for Paul Rudd in character as Tayne.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:20

ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

Tainen posted:

I can't wait to read the report from Pence's investigation into the three million illegal votes.

"let's get this horse cock inside my anus"

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:21

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

zen death robot posted:

rural America is permafucked and they really should stop trying to hold back progress to get something that was never there in the first place

just give em money, make em happy imo

Jabronie posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1fUwKMdAI

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:21

Vertical Lime: Dec 11, 2004

quote:

Political activity
Though he supported Georgia's Jimmy Carter over Gerald R. Ford, Jr., in 1976, Ryan has since been an ardent Republican. In 1996 Ryan campaigned on behalf of Ron Paul in the election for Texas's 14th congressional district; his hometown of Alvin was located in the district.[50]

On April 7, 2011, Todd Staples announced that Nolan Ryan would be his statewide chairman for his exploratory committee for lieutenant governor. Ryan is quoted as saying, "Todd Staples is the top prospect for the Texas Republican Party in 2014."[51][52] Staples, however, lost out in that race to current Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick of Houston.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:21

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Pook Good Mook posted:

It's clear to me that there are a lot of people inclined to vote for a Democrat but don't because of ideological purity/liberal firing squads. But at the same time these people are dumb enough to hoist their own personal expectations on a popular candidate who is unlikely to do any of the things they assume he will (Obama).

I hate to be this cynical, but I think the issue is simpler than the decision of hard-left vs. hard-centrist. There are only two things that seem to make a difference to liberal fence sitters: someone who is popular, and someone who doesn't run from the fact that they're a Democrat. Obama and Bill Clinton weren't perfect ideologically, but at least you never saw them try to hem and haw because the Republicans were big meanies. Obama's instincts were right when he realized that on the issues most people are actually pretty frigin liberal but they won't get there voting for someone who is embarrassed by their own positions. Bernie got that. People who voted for Stein, or who wanted Bernie and stayed home are ideologically empty simpletons. They'll vote for someone so long as they're CLOSE to liberal (because they'll hoist their own views on them), and they'll vote for anyone they THINK isn't an empty suit. These people are already dumb enough to think that "not voting sends just as strong a message" when all it does it make things shittier faster. If they aren't cynical enough to vote for the lesser of two evils because of some misguided principle then trick them into voting for someone that doesn't LOOK like the lesser of two evils.

My litmus test for 2020 primaries:

Personally popular
Not embarrassed by their views

Corey Booker is a two-faced rear end, but at least he never apologizes. Clinton didn't lose because she's a neo-liberal, she lost because she appeared fake. I spend every day with rural Iowans. The majority of them don't REALLY pay attention to political positions beyond thinking X politician is a "phony." Maybe a leftist is the right call, but I think it's simpler to just follow the Obama playbook.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:21

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

The problem is being a democrat doesn't mean anything lol

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:22

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Thatim posted:

I know.

But you posted like 6 posts before that you got physical sick from pod save America

It was a legit 'lol'

It's not really what they say, it's how they say it. Pod Saves America is smug bullshit that tries to overly complicate what should be a very simple process

1) Is the candidate an actual leftist who will do good for poor people?
2) Can he or she bing bing bong bong enough that people think he or she is a real person?

Both of those should be answered yes, but if it's just one yes that can be salvageable. Smug podcasts are overthinking it.

# ? Jun 23, 2017 04:22

MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

zen death robot posted:

no one wants to put anything but a prison or a waste dump out in Hicksville, AL and that's never going to change

[in extremly ancient aliens guy meme ]: coal mining jobs

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Admiral Ray: May 17, 2014; Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Squizzle posted:

back up and talk more about the liberal face sitters

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zen death robot posted:

rural America is permafucked and they really should stop trying to hold back progress to get something that was never there in the first place

I think you'd be surprised at the number of rural voters who are both aware of their "place" who also have a national outlook. They just aren't going to get excited about a Democrat who isn't excited about themselves.

For some reason Democrats are OK with getting blown out in rural counties when there's really no reason for it. You're still going to lose most of those counties, but it doesn't need to be by 30 percentage points. Obama won 1/3 of Iowa's counties for Christ's sake. Clinton won 6 (out of 99) and lost by nearly 10%.

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a helpful bear: Aug 18, 2004; Slippery Tilde

To channel a trump voter:

I may not like Schumer or Pelosi much but they make conservatives mad and that makes me v happy

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Homeless Friend posted:

The problem is being a democrat doesn't mean anything lol

Being a Republican means just as much.

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bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Homeless Friend posted:

The problem is being a democrat doesn't mean anything lol

it means supporting more women CEOs

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MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

�JEB!

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logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

i'm a proud member of the jeb fixers party

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ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

i wish the democratic party would die a swift and painful death but tom perez still sends me two emails a day telling me i have to give him money for nothing in particular. i'll donate to the aclu and planned parenthood, but the party can go gently caress themselves.

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