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The coolest thing about each subsequent government pretending everything is fine with Poland's coal industry and some other future party will have to deal with Mad Maxian descent into unemployment and chaos in the whole of Silesia is that not only we keep heavily subsidizing the economically unsustainable industry (Kompania Węglowa, Europe's largest coal producer had only like 2 mines in the black out of 11) that's increasingly running out of resources as we speak, but also the current line is finding any possible way to create demand for coal (poo poo like pushing hard for coal-biomass co-firing to handwave away the EU climate obligations) and then buying more coal from the Ukraine, because domestic production is too low quality to use in the plants built for it. The coal industry was really privileged back in 70s-80s, which left a lasting impression of it being a matter of the uppity miners constantly throwing a tantrum so they never have to change a thing. Which, admittedly, isn't that far from the truth (it's some noir poo poo out there), but over past decades it has snowballed through all sorts of extreme mismanagement, corruption and neglect to offer these people any sort of meaningful alternative into one hot mess that'll one day erupt into both power blackouts and riots. It really has no other solution than years of patient restructures that nobody bothered to do, because it's easier to take a small cut out of the budget and forget about the issue for the next four years. poo poo is tough: let's just say that even the thread favorite Razem are unable to give clear proposals on how to reunite their anti-coal and pro-worker stances. Poland's energy situation is extremely depressing to learn more about : the painful awareness of how close all the bubbles are to bursting and how little is done about it (feel free to quote me on brownout boogaloo in early 2020s). Like, for all of PiS' blatant fetishization of coal and retarded poo poo, I can't honestly say they're particularly more harmful than the previous government in terms of energy policy. It's that bad. And it's extra depressive if you have an inkling of the quality of crisis management out here. Tevery Best posted:coal cures cancer As an aside, I'm kind of proud this angry little quip of mine [edit] AMA about energy while I'm still angry and sad
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The solution is to direct angry miners into poor infrastructure areas, let them rip poo poo out and then employ them in huge infrastructure replacement projects 
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Lichtenstein posted:The coolest thing about each subsequent government pretending everything is fine with Poland's coal industry and some other future party will have to deal with Mad Maxian descent into unemployment and chaos in the whole of Silesia is that not only we keep heavily subsidizing the economically unsustainable industry (Kompania Węglowa, Europe's largest coal producer had only like 2 mines in the black out of 11) that's increasingly running out of resources as we speak, but also the current line is finding any possible way to create demand for coal (poo poo like pushing hard for coal-biomass co-firing to handwave away the EU climate obligations) and then buying more coal from the Ukraine, because domestic production is too low quality to use in the plants built for it. FWIW, most of Ukrainian coals of fancy high-quality variety is from areas currently occupied by Russia, and Ukraine therefore had the same trouble with keeping plants requiring it firing, having to import it from places like South Africa, though now the oligarch owning most of these plants is looking towards switching to more economically sane fuels (as previously, of course, he would be buying from himself, with production heavily subsidized by the government to keep the coal miners from getting cranky). (Also a lot of those mines may be destroyed by now).
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OddObserver posted:FWIW, most of Ukrainian coals of fancy high-quality variety is from areas currently occupied by Russia, and Ukraine therefore had the same trouble with keeping plants requiring it firing, having to import it from places like South Africa, Soooooo the solution for Poland is for it to be invaded by Russia?
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Karmalis posted:Soooooo the solution for Poland is for it to be invaded by Russia? 
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quote:the mines are digging ever deeper for ever less profitable output The Poles delved too greedily and too deep. ETA until Balrog encounter?
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SaltyJesus posted:The Poles delved too greedily and too deep. Soon dear Jesus, soon I hope. Just come and slay us all, because this poo poo is seriously too depressing to contemplate for any amount of time.
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Read what information i could find about coal mining in Poland. Notable was the proposed mining project that would demolish 22 villages+ a wind power farm, and the enormous drains on groundwater reserves in some areas around mines, resulting in great difficulty obtaining potable water and the lower of lake water levels by huge amounts. It seems it could be doing okay though if coal prices were higher; maybe not good, but at least not a total disaster. Perhaps the people could show solidarity(er...) by buying the dirtiest energy hogs they can.
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Are you perhaps talking about the open-pit mine at Gubin, near the border with Germany? Because it's (darkly) hilarious: a random-rear end lignite (shittiest, cheapest coal) mine far away from the whole coal-industrial complex to be plopped entirely down on the basis of "gently caress it, we're doing coal anyway" with the authorities trying to convince everyone open-pit mining isn't that big of a deal despite an open-pit industrial hellscape being just few kilometers away on the German side of the border.
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Since we're talking about Poland, can someone explain this? https://en.news-front.info/2017/06/22/poland-passes-law-on-demolishing-red-army-monuments/ I can't find anything about it in Polish, but it would I can't imagine they would circulate such a blatant fake or just report something old. I know there is a law against Communist propaganda in Poland, and the only recent thing about it I can find is that there was a bill to include Ukrainian and Lithuanian nationalist propaganda in the law. Other than that I don't see any other recent developments. E: oh, I guess it's this http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sejm-uchwalil-nowele-ustawy-o-zakazie-propagowania-komunizmu/f9x2th7 Can someone link the list of objects they plan to demolish? \/\/\/ Yes, that's the old one, from 2016. The new version of the law says that monuments in public spaces that are included in some register can now be demolished by local governments based on what Institute of National Remembrance deems propaganda. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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I've found references on multiple reliable Czech news sites. They don't want to demolish them, though, but rather relocate them to a museum, unless that has been changed. http://zpravy.idnes.cz/polsko-ruda-..._zahranicni_aha
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Gotta make place for monuments to cursed soldiers. The caveat here is that only the monuments promoting totalitarian regime can be removed. It's anyone's guess if a monument erected in remembrance of Red Army liberating the country is deemed as promoting communism. Also I don't think we have any monuments to communism in the country so that would make this change meaningless unless the above rule is interpreted too broadly (which will probably happen) Anne Frank Funk fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Pierogi posted:Gotta make place for monuments to cursed soldiers. It's all over Russian news and it really took me a while to find anything in Polish (although, admittedly, my Polish is not that good), so maybe ~the truth is in the middle~ after all. Maybe they'll demolish statues of some Soviet generals who participated in anti-Polish operations, but will spare simple soldiers. We'll see.
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I'm not quite sure myself about this one (I think it did pass indeed?), but a while ago a similar bill was passed regarding street names. Back in early 90s we had a massive wave of madcap renaming all socialist-sounding street names (mostly to various catholic saints), which was understandable given the circumstances, but apparently it wasn't enough for PiS. This time it's fairly hilarious, however, because everyone is mostly pissed about the costs of said changes (ranging through new street signs to replacing personal passports) so most local governments are playing a bullshit game of renaming the badwrong street names to the exact same name, with some flimsy-rear end new justification. Like, literally, we had the "July 22 street" blacklisted (symbolic date of establishment of the Polish People's Republic) with city mayors changing them into "July 22 street" because "that's such a nice summer day". Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Lichtenstein posted:I'm not quite sure myself about this one (I think it did pass indeed?), but a while ago a similar bill was passed regarding street names. Back in early 90s we had a massive wave of madcap renaming all socialist-sounding street names (mostly to various catholic saints), which was understandable given the circumstances, but apparently it wasn't enough for PiS. This time it's fairly hilarious, however, because everyone is mostly pissed about the costs of said changes (ranging through new street signs to replacing personal passports) so most local governments are playing a bullshit game of renaming the badwrong street names to the exact same name, with some flimsy-rear end new justification. Never heard of that before. I've just found a book about it called Post-Communist Poland Contested Pasts and Future Identities, and it has fantastic exampled. Like January 22 str. (in honour of Red Army liberating the town) has been changed to January 22 str. (in honour of the town's liberation from German occupants). Fascinating stuff.
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Lichtenstein posted:
There was stuff like that recently in Ukraine, too. Like people going "It's not named for the founder of Cheka Dzerjinsky, it's totally named for his obscure artist relative!"
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A big surprise from Russia: "Russia's election commission says Navalny can not run for presidency"quote:Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny can not run for presidency because of his criminal conviction, the Central Election Commission, said in a statement on Friday.
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Czech Republic nuclear power station hosts bikini contest to choose interns http://m.dw.com/en/czech-republic-nuclear-power-station-hosts-bikini-contest-to-choose-interns/a-39404100 Link to their Facebook post showing off the contest for. . . uhh, evidence! https://www.facebook.com/pg/ICTemelin/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1908592589419632
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SaltyJesus posted:Czech Republic nuclear power station hosts bikini contest to choose interns http://m.dw.com/en/czech-republic-nuclear-power-station-hosts-bikini-contest-to-choose-interns/a-39404100  What the Christ, I ask you? How is this even legal?
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You know I even bought the civilizing influence of the Germans narrative for a while but this plus having seen the statements their politicians have been making of late I now know they truly are our Eastern European kin. 
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What? Why? I mean ... 
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The power plant backpedaled today, saying they did it to support technical education and so every one of the contestants gets the internship. They're trying to sell it as an "everybody wins" scenario but it seems most likely they just didn't expect the public shitstorm that arose. So yeah, instead of one bikini-clad student running around, they'll have all of them. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Pretty decent setup for an all-woman super hero squad origin.
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They had hard hats, what more do you people want?
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steinrokkan posted:They had hard hats, what more do you people want? Something else was hard, also. Am I right?
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Paladinus posted:Something else was hard, also. Am I right?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:
It was dumb, yeah, but what kind of law do you want to make photos in swimsuits illegal?
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spacetoaster posted:It was dumb, yeah, but what kind of law do you want to make photos in swimsuits illegal?
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If it was just a fun-opt in sort of thing and no one was pressured or the photoshoot determined who would be hired or not, why not. Like "hey great, all you interns are in. PS to get people interested in nuclear power if we're going to have a silly bikini photoshoot inside the cooling tower with hardhats to show nuclear science can be sexy!" sure, it's still pretty ridiculous, but not horrible. But if they actually did pick based on this content, or anyone felt at all pressured into doing this or if it was pushed as part of the job requirements of the internship then everyone involved needs some pretty severe discipline or firings.
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Baronjutter posted:If it was just a fun-opt in sort of thing and no one was pressured or the photoshoot determined who would be hired or not, why not. Like "hey great, all you interns are in. PS to get people interested in nuclear power if we're going to have a silly bikini photoshoot inside the cooling tower with hardhats to show nuclear science can be sexy!" sure, it's still pretty ridiculous, but not horrible. But if they actually did pick based on this content, or anyone felt at all pressured into doing this or if it was pushed as part of the job requirements of the internship then everyone involved needs some pretty severe discipline or firings. quote:In the Czech Republic and Slovakia, a tradition of spanking or whipping is carried out on Easter Monday. In the morning, men spank women with a special handmade whip called a pomlázka (in Czech) or korbáč (in Slovak), in eastern regions of former Czechoslovakia Moravia and Slovakia they also throw cold water on them. The pomlázka/korbáč consists of eight, twelve or even twenty-four withies (willow rods), is usually from half a metre to two meters long and decorated with coloured ribbons at the end. The spanking may be painful, but it's not intended to cause suffering. A legend says that women should be spanked with a whip in order to keep their health, beauty and fertility during the whole next year.[4]
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The Czech demonstrate their traditional, innate appreciation of t h i c c n e s s
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I never found the culture in Prague to be very sexist, sure it's not up to Scandinavian standards but there's a strong feminist activist presence in Prague . But like anything in Czechland, the moment you leave Prague you are transported from modern central europe deep into eastern europe. Sometimes it only takes a 30 min train ride from prague to suddenly be somewhere that feels like rural Ukraine.
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Baronjutter posted:I never found the culture in Prague to be very sexist, sure it's not up to Scandinavian standards but there's a strong feminist activist presence in Prague . But like anything in Czechland, the moment you leave Prague you are transported from modern central europe deep into eastern europe. Sometimes it only takes a 30 min train ride from prague to suddenly be somewhere that feels like rural Ukraine. I remember a scene from some documentary I watched, from Austria I think? There was basically this large fancy capital, and then a couple kilometres behind it a falling apart Romani "village" with makeshift shacks and like a single water source for all of them, a leaking pipeline if I remember correctly.
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Every country has places that look like crap even in the midst of prosperous regions. Except for Macedonia, which skillfully conceals all blemishes behind fake classical architecture.
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steinrokkan posted:Every country has places that look like crap even in the midst of prosperous regions. Except for Macedonia, which skillfully conceals all blemishes behind fake classical architecture. And Albania, where you ever only see bunkers?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The part where bikini contest is a part of a job application process for position that isn't "bikini model". In Latvia that may be legally perceived as a violation of constitutional right for one's own honour and dignity. Ah, ok. So there's a constitutional protection of honor there? How is honor defined?
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Baronjutter posted:I never found the culture in Prague to be very sexist, sure it's not up to Scandinavian standards but there's a strong feminist activist presence in Prague . But like anything in Czechland, the moment you leave Prague you are transported from modern central europe deep into eastern europe. Sometimes it only takes a 30 min train ride from prague to suddenly be somewhere that feels like rural Ukraine. IDK. I attended a men's military school that had a women's academy in the same town. At the start of every year they would line all the men up on one side of the parade grounds and all the women on the other. A horn would blow and whatever woman a man "caught" was escorted by him to the social party that evening. Most of the women would just stand around and wait, a few would playfully try to run away, and there were some who would run down a guy they wanted. Sexist? I don't know, probably by someone's standards. But it made sure that people actually got out and socialized.
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spacetoaster posted:Ah, ok. It is fairly vague, and there are conflicting opinions on the term. General baseline for honour, in Latvia, though could be described as "quality that is described by one's societal evaluation", although that eludes such details as its overall positive character, and one's own role in its creation.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I remember a scene from some documentary I watched, from Austria I think? There was basically this large fancy capital, and then a couple kilometres behind it a falling apart Romani "village" with makeshift shacks and like a single water source for all of them, a leaking pipeline if I remember correctly.
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