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like sorry Willa i respect you a lot as a poster and you did a lot to educate me on how generation wars are largely a GOP messaging campaign to undermine the social safety net, and for that i thank you, but this self-pitying lets-all-cut-our-loving-wrists-because-hope-is-dead poo poo is pathetic beyond words
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also mattering is happening in other countries (particularly mexico) so there's always that if poo poo goes to the guaranteed downward spiral (more than it already has)
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Jun 23, 2017 09:11
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I don't think the assumption that Schumer et. al are gonna drive the Democratic Party off a cliff is necessarily a lay down and die message.
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Schumer, to his credit, endorsed Ellison for DNC chair. i would not expect him of all people to have a bearing on which way the wind is blowing, but if even he can figure it out then that alone should be cause for hope. essentially im just loving tired of this endless lily-livered defeatism from the wing of the party thats supposed to be the vanguard. yeah, you take some Ls. so it goes. life's a bitch. no one told you this would be easy. loving cowboy up because if all it takes to rip your spine out is losing a house seat in loving Georgia then your revolution was stillborn.
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paranoid randroid posted:Schumer, to his credit, endorsed Ellison for DNC chair. i would not expect him of all people to have a bearing on which way the wind is blowing, but if even he can figure it out then that alone should be cause for hope.
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paranoid randroid posted:like sorry Willa i respect you a lot as a poster and you did a lot to educate me on how generation wars are largely a GOP messaging campaign to undermine the social safety net, and for that i thank you, but this self-pitying lets-all-cut-our-loving-wrists-because-hope-is-dead poo poo is pathetic beyond words I'm not self-pitying and I'm no longer a democrat. I have no vested interest in the future of the dem party, but I'm fascinated with the changes that I see younger generations than mine making inside & outside the political process. But I also see the civil war, as FG put it, and I actually think that's good and healthy for both the party and the country.
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It's because a decade of incumbency allowed staid candidates to suck all the oxygen out of the room What I'm basically saying is that something absolutely bizonkers like running an Independent from Vermont would have won
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Willa Rogers posted:I'm not self-pitying and I'm no longer a democrat. I have no vested interest in the future of the dem party, but I'm fascinated with the changes that I see younger generations than mine making inside & outside the political process. thank you so loving much for laying the responsibility of waging this civil war on us younger generations, boomer. im sure youll be loving vindicated in your pissy disaffectation, because you have the luxury of adopting it.
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Jun 23, 2017 09:57
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hot take from a younger generation, Willa either adopt full on Nothing Matters nihilism or stop wasting my time with your quasi-lefty triangulation
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^^^ I don't know what this means.paranoid randroid posted:thank you so loving much for laying the responsibility of waging this civil war on us younger generations, boomer. im sure youll be loving vindicated in your pissy disaffectation, because you have the luxury of adopting it. Look, I put in 40 years for the dems, and I'm still involved in issues activism like single-payer. I think it's great that some of you are involved in state-party politics and other intraparty activities and I loved reading the trip reports of activism in VS's thread. I've detached because it's my coping mechanism, and because I want to believe that something better will come about down the road. And I just don't see that happening outside of a radical restructuring of the country's political processes.
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Jun 23, 2017 10:28
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yeah fine thats fair just do me a favor and dont assert how useless and hopeless our engagement is
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As a millennial I would like to say Willa Rogers would have won.
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paranoid randroid posted:yeah fine thats fair My post that triggered your response was just poo poo I'd been thinking about after seeing the party schism play out in different spaces. I'd never poo poo on someone for getting involved.
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corbyn makes it pretty clear taking over the dems is not hopeless. hell, bernie got decently close. the institutional hurdles are probably worse but the course of history seems pretty clear now, neoliberalism is dying.
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consumed by normies posted:corbyn makes it pretty clear taking over the dems is not hopeless. hell, bernie got decently close. the institutional hurdles are probably worse but the course of history seems pretty clear now, neoliberalism is dying. 
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im sure after years of austerity and privatization macron will remain extremely popular and not become despised like every other western leader that has done that since 08.
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Jun 23, 2017 10:57
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la macronmania
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le macron is a Sex Position where you eat a macaroon and then poop it out on a poor person
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lmao france is going to take the place of imperial japan in the next world war if macron doesn't pivot to at least leashed capital
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consumed by normies posted:corbyn makes it pretty clear taking over the dems is not hopeless. hell, bernie got decently close. the institutional hurdles are probably worse but the course of history seems pretty clear now, neoliberalism is dying. Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader of Labour was a sheer fluke. The Obama wing effectively reasserted itself after the election in spite of all the indicators of where things are headed. IMO there's a big underestimation of just how desperate the old guard is to cling to their institutions. Paranoid Randroid can talk a lot about who the vanguard of the Democratic Party should be, but the fact is that they're not - and wouldn''t even be until Berniecrats take enough seats in 2018 and eventually work their way up to seniority. The Democratic Party is not an institution that accommodates sudden popular change.
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paranoid randroid posted:hot take from a younger generation, Willa Lol Hillary voters had their brains boggled by the ascendancy of tromp
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paranoid randroid posted:yeah fine thats fair as a youngster can i assert how working within the dems is hopeless? large blocks need to break off to the left and force dems to tit-tat deals for votes, the way it used to be
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader of Labour was a sheer fluke. Yeah, I think Miliband changed the election rules or something which made it possible for a lot of people to join the party & vote for leader. Otherwise the absolute boy would still be a backbencher and Owen Smith and his big dick would be leading Labour into the electoral abyss.
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Barbe Rouge posted:Yeah, I think Miliband changed the election rules or something which made it possible for a lot of people to join the party & vote for leader. Otherwise the absolute boy would still be a backbencher and Owen Smith and his big dick would be leading Labour into the electoral abyss. As I understand it, Corbyn was nominated as a joke to fill out the nominee roster but the voting membership rebelled against the Blairites.
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After the circus of the primary it's possible there's a bunch of people already registered and eager to vote for an anti establishment canidate. A presidential wave is really the only chance I'd think.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:a colony of spiders emerges as the 6th challenger What's their stand on single payer?
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Shear Modulus posted:here's a funny article/editorial about the whole rodney stooksburry thing lol the funniest thing from that article is the update: quote:[UPDATE: I have found new evidence that Tricia McCracken, of Georgia’s 12th District, is an actual person. Back in 2010, a Georgia political blog was puzzling over the McCracken mystery when she was on the ballot for Lt. Governor. As one person reported “a number of high-profile Democrats did major research into her, and turned up nothing. NOTHING. Not a picture, not a website, not a bio. NOTHING.” But one of the bloggers actually met someone claiming to be McCracken at a breakfast! The meeting… did not go well. The local political operatives who spoke with her came away horrified. She was running, she said, as a “physical conservative.” Not “fiscal.” Physical. Then, after appearing at the breakfast, McCracken does not appear to have ever been seen again. Running McCracken in the 12th District is especially egregious, because this was a seat that Democrats had actually HELD until 2014! For 10 years, Democrat John Barrow had represented the district before the Republicans successfully unseated him. Two years after his loss, Democrats had already stopped contesting the seat. In November, McCracken received nearly 100,000 votes despite having been spotted in public only once and not knowing the difference between “fiscal” and “physical.” ]
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Cinnamon Bear posted:lol if anyone thinks korea or iran would ever actually use a nuclear weapon instead of it being the one deterrent that would stop the US from loving with them. Oh yeah, the guy holding together the nightmare regime with a death grip is just going to commit suicide to kill some random americans.
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Mutant Standard posted:is there a political cartoonist i can cheaply commission for a drawing of a donkey sucking his own cock while an elephant kicks him in the rear end repeatedly? Garrison would probably do that pro bono if you agree that he writes "DEBT" on the donkey dick.
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Willa Rogers posted:the schism/faction thing in the party is irrevocable, at this point... there's not going to be any dem electoral victories for the near future bc so many berdies won't vote for bad dems anymore while lanyards are sticking with their corporate-donors-and-pragmatic-baby-steps-are-just-fine-and-who-needs-single-payer-anyway scripts. schisms and factions and wings consistently losing are all actually good things sarah palin's loss as loving vp did more to shift the political dialogue in this country than anything obama did, because the range of acceptable dialogue on the national stage suddenly included loving idiot morons who knew nothing about anything people naturally triangulate from whatever they're presented, so if you want some communism soon, the best way to get there in 2-3 cycles is to run a few people honestly and earnestly arguing full communism now. the democrats' biggest sin over the last dozen or so years is trying to outsmart that process by pre-triangulating and then tripping all over their dicks
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it's important to promote socialists and leftists for office but the only path forward for this country is mass boomer death and i don't see the dems incorporating that into their platform any time soon
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jarofpiss posted:it's important to promote socialists and leftists for office but the only path forward for this country is mass boomer death and i don't see the dems incorporating that into their platform any time soon new plank: medicare for none
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jarofpiss posted:it's important to promote socialists and leftists for office but the only path forward for this country is mass boomer death and i don't see the dems incorporating that into their platform any time soon trumps already got that covered tho
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deadgoon posted:new plank: medicare for none as i said during the election, trump is the real leftist candidate
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