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Hellblazer187 posted:I despise the idea of accelerationism as a deliberate strategy. However, if the bad guys are winning no matter what I do, I might as well try to comfort myself with the idea the end result might work out. Accelerationism is basically political assassination for people too chickenshit to pick up a rifle and do the deed themselves.
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Blitz7x posted:He hasn't gotten rid of anything? He's pushed back a bunch of rulings but that's it Actually Trump has deregulated a shitload of things, including killing a landmark clean water act that was years in the making, rolling back the financial regulation that led to the 2008 crisis, and just in general absolutely gutting the EPA. quote:The Trump administration has promised to “cancel” or roll back environmental and energy regulations in an “aggressive way.” But its approach defies rationality and threatens public wellbeing. Idk where the "Trump hasn't done anything" narrative comes from. He's caused a lot of damage and more or less erased 8 years of Obama in no time.
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I think democrat takeover is likely even if AHCA never happened. If not in 2018, in 2020. Trump is at least twice as bad as Bush, so I imagine GOP fatigue will kick in that much earlier and we can have 2008 repeated, except with the hindsight to know what not to do (no dealmaking with republicans). The president's party always loses ground, and Trump is especially useless. The Demographic trends indicated that if we had exactly the same turnout patterns and exactly the same voting behavior, he'd lose 2020 as narrowly as he won 2016. He needs to add to his coalition and I don't see any evidence of that happening. In fact, it appears the reverse is happening, if anything.
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the black husserl posted:
Demonstrably false.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:49
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Hellblazer187 posted:Demonstrably false. Why do you think Obama is spending so much time "on an Island?" It's because Trump has literally erased him from existence.  But for real Trump actually has killed off the overwhelming majority of the Obama legacy, from finance to waters of the US to healthcare....can you think of anything that's yet to go? I guess Lily Ledbetter and Iran deal are still there, for now.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:51
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the black husserl posted:Actually Trump has deregulated a shitload of things, including killing a landmark clean water act that was years in the making, rolling back the financial regulation that led to the 2008 crisis, and just in general absolutely gutting the EPA. Promised Suspended Suspended Delayed Suspended Delayed So essentially the Obama administration had a bunch of things scheduled, but the implementation has been suspended so he hasn't rolled back *poo poo* yet.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:51
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/878364461656023040 https://twitter.com/costareports/status/878362942693142528 https://twitter.com/costareports/status/878362787784699904 Back when I figured Trump was never going to win, I still thought this whole Trump thing was going to split the Republicans. I wonder if the not-crazy republicans are finally going revolt against Trump..... End of the 2-party system, at least for awhile?
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Jun 23, 2017 22:54
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Hollismason posted:Yeah I just don't think automated trucking is going to happen at all. People can hack cars now to totally shut them down etc.. Is this a fake post or do you really believe this
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Jun 23, 2017 22:54
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the black husserl posted:rolling back the financial regulation that led to the 2008 crisis that bill is filibusterable and widely expected to go precisely nowhere in the senate, because they were more focused on repealing obama's legacy to be smart and sabotage it with small tweeks here and there that would effectively gut it and potentially get democratic votes that are owned by wall street
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JasonV posted:Back when I figured Trump was never going to win, I still thought this whole Trump thing was going to split the Republicans. I wonder if the not-crazy republicans are finally going revolt against Trump..... End of the 2-party system, at least for awhile? No. They'll fall in line.
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the black husserl posted:Why do you think Obama is spending so much time "on an Island?" It's because Trump has literally erased him from existence. ACA isn't repealed yet, New START remains intact (for now), marriage equality still exists, etc. These are all things that are threatened, but they're not gone yet, and we need to keep that in mind so that we can fight for them.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:55
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the black husserl posted:Why do you think Obama is spending so much time "on an Island?" It's because Trump has literally erased him from existence. Except none of this has happened yet. No new regs are written and through the entire process. It takes YEARS to write new regs (eliminating old regs also counts as writing new ones). The republicans in congress were able to block several Obama regs that were finalized in the last year of his presidency, but anything before that is still on the books. ACA still on the books. Dodd Frank still on the books. I'm not saying that stuff isn't in jeopardy. It is. And we need to fight to protect it. But to say it's already gone is just simply false.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Texas might. Reminder. Governor Perry prayed to Jeeezus for rain during a drought/wildfire season, got more fire. Also got cheers for killing an innocent man. Zodiac Killer also went to the SCOTUS and to argue it was okay to kill an innocent man.
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/878364461656023040 This isn't covoking when I say that, considering the pull of partisanism, they'll just fall in line. It will be hard for voters to scare them back into their senses and vote against it.
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Dick Trauma posted:Is it too early to invest in construction of poorhouses/workhouses? You'd be too late actually. But you can buy shares!
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Jun 23, 2017 22:57
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Tatsuta Age posted:Is this a fake post or do you really believe this Uh yea there was a recall and everything https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/ Did you just miss this? There was even a recall over it. They can't literally take control of your car and drive it into a wall or some poo poo because of the way cars work.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:58
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Hollismason posted:Uh yea there was a recall and everything Yeah big business will just throw in the towel on this multi billion dollar initiative I guess
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Jun 23, 2017 23:00
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Covok posted:This isn't covoking when I say that, considering the pull of partisanism, they'll just fall in line. It will be hard for voters to scare them back into their senses and vote against it. To further elaborate, you have to understand how things work. First, you got Mitch McConnell who, as Senate Majority Leader, has a job to keep the party in line for the party's agenda. Secondly, you got the voters. Voters will approve or disapprove of a bill. In this case, they're very openly and powerfully disapproving. Thirdly, you got the media/special interests. They try to sway undecided voters. Up to this point, the third group was on our side, but not in an accusatory way. In other words, the bill is bad, but nothing saying "X" senator is bad. With the WH doing these ads, now there is pressure from two sides in a very tangible way to vote for the bill. Add to this primaries. Republican primaries is where the reddest of the reds vote. People who tow party line like its a religion. With these ads, they can make the senators fear a primary defeat, merged with the nature of just two sides pushing them, and the will of voters are ignored.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:01
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Blitz7x posted:Promised Uh....when an EPA regulation is "suspended", that means an existing rule no longer applies. It's literally the definition of a "rollback". Same with delaying implementation of a regulation, how the hell is that not rolling back progress? Hellblazer187 posted:I'm not saying that stuff isn't in jeopardy. It is. And we need to fight to protect it. But to say it's already gone is just simply false. You should read that article I posted, because it HAS already happened. It's happening every week. The EPA had a bunch of rules for methane management and chemical accidents. The Trump administration has suspended those rules. Businesses no longer have to follow them and can now pollute freely. If that's not gone, I don't know what is. The title of that article is literally Trump follows through on deregulation, but at what cost?, it cites a ton of examples of said deregulation, and you're trying to tell me Trump hasn't deregulated anything. Oh baby, it's a wild world.
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Hollismason posted:Uh yea there was a recall and everything If your thesis was correct then the mass adoption of canbus integrated infotainment would stop. It hasn't. Just like blatantly insecure SCADA gear, people will keep buying no matter the threat.
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the black husserl posted:. I'm saying he's been able to block regulations that came in the last year of Obama's presidency, but not write new regulations. I did read the article, and it doesn't say what you think it says. It's accurate to say they've erased the last year of the Obama administration's regulatory agenda. It is simply inaccurate to say they've erased the entire 8 years of it. Hellblazer187 fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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logosanatic posted:40 million people uninsured + their friends and family who have employer insurance. whom are motivated to vote for whichever party is offering single payer wont do it? Serious question, are you Happyelf? If so, we've missed you.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:06
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Hilary is making me want to switch parties now 
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the black husserl posted:Uh....when an EPA regulation is "suspended", that means an existing rule no longer applies. It's literally the definition of a "rollback". Same with delaying implementation of a regulation, how the hell is that not rolling back progress? That's not how that works, that's not how any of this works. When you suspend a new rule that hasn't been implemented yet, you still follow existing laws.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:06
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Lmao hell yeah, embrace the heel turn
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Hellblazer187 posted:I'm saying he's been able to block regulations that came in the last year of Obama's presidency, but not write new regulations. I did read the article, and it doesn't say what you think it says. Right but Republicans want to deregulate and tear apart pro-social regulations. So saying Trump isn't writing new regulations misses the point. Delaying methane rules for o&g aka green completions is an another environmental gently caress-you I haven't seen listed. Blitz7x posted:That's not how that works, that's not how any of this works. Right and often the existing law allows companies to emit or pollute rather freely. Thus the Obama administration seeking the rule changes.
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Tatsuta Age posted:Is this a fake post or do you really believe this I think autonomous driving is in that "might happen before the fall of civilization, might not" categories, depending on how many decades you give us.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:07
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Wow, I can totally picture her awkwardly cramming this into one of her debate answers.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:07
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Trabisnikof posted:Right but Republicans want to deregulate and tear apart pro-social regulations. So saying Trump isn't writing new regulations misses the point. Yes, they want to. I'm saying it's inaccurate to say they already have. I don't disagree that they want to and are bad.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:08
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Eh, better than Trumped Up Trickle Down I guess
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Jun 23, 2017 23:08
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If she continues to do things like this I'll accept her butting in every now and then.
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pokie posted:I got my US citizenship around 2010 and still have my Russian one, so I am curious about when people would have to relinquish theirs. Some countries don't allow it. India, for example. Pakistan allows it only with Canada, the US and a short list of certain other countries.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Wow, I can totally picture her awkwardly cramming this into one of her debate answers. What was the cutesy bullshit thing she did that made every liberal groan? I mean I know there were a ton but there was one in particular. I think it was a play on "trickle down" but I don't remember. Thaddius the Large posted:Eh, better than Trumped Up Trickle Down I guess That was it.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yes, they want to. I'm saying it's inaccurate to say they already have. I don't disagree that they want to and are bad. They already have. The clean power plan rules are dead. The green completion rules are dead. The new streambed rules are dead.
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PhazonLink posted:So what stops this from becoming a black market where individuals buy stuff and resell it? Let me put it this way, if you're canadian and can get me anti biotics for 20 bux, I'll loving paypal it to you.
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*Republicans gain in polls*
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Like no lie, the last time I bought weed, the weed man noticed I had a cold, and was able to hook me up with antibiotics and some below market price asthma medication. (I have asthma but can't afford inhalers.)
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