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Sickening posted:Doesn't killing on turn 3 require you put yourself to 3, not face any discard, not face any counterspells, have 2 death shadows in hand, have those survive, and have your opponent never play a creature that can block. It's not as crazy as it sounds, you could spend the first turn on a discard spell and have removal for their blocker on the third turn. That's a very rare god-draw, but something like that being within the range of a heavily interactive deck at all is just wild. EDIT: Actually forget about the turn three thing, even if it hasn't ever happened in a real game of magic that's not the primary reason DS is the best deck.
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ManMythLegend posted:Cool, thanks. No problem. Deck plays really well as an aggro deck, and can grind out control matches just by virtue of having every creature be a game winning threat. uninverted posted:It's not as crazy as it sounds, you could spend the first turn on a discard spell and have removal for their blocker on the third turn. That's a very rare god-draw, but something like that being within the range of a heavily interactive deck at all is just wild. I put together the Ari Lax version of grixis shadow because it cost $80 to finish out the deck and I wanted to better understand it so I can get better at playing against it.
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uninverted posted:It's not as crazy as it sounds, you could spend the first turn on a discard spell and have removal for their blocker on the third turn. That's a very rare god-draw, but something like that being within the range of a heavily interactive deck at all is just wild. Nobody said that's why its the best deck. It would be the best deck because its and efficient midrange deck that blue cards and removal might actually line up well against a broad range of deck. That would mean the best deck in modern is interactive AND plays plays blue cards. Basically everything people have bitched for.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:09
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If it truly is the case that a big dumb vanilla (albeit undercosted) creature is worth banning, they should probably ban one of the big dumb idiots that requires zero effort to turn on instead of the one that has an interesting risk/reward aspect and unique opportunities for potential counterplay.
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The Sexual Shiite posted:My wife likes Dollar Tree for gift bags and cheap greeting cards to send to people we know but aren't that close to, so she dragged me in there yesterday while we were out. If it's a Buck Godot comic book I will pay you money for it
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Jun 24, 2017 04:23
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Ban Stubborn Denial IMO
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Archenteron posted:If it's a Buck Godot comic book I will pay you money for it It's a girl genius novel.
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Jun 24, 2017 05:13
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If DS itself gets banned I'm just running out Abzan Delirium. Hope this helps.
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Jun 24, 2017 05:33
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I almost wish Inquisition of Kozilek got banned. Death's Shadow would be alot less oppressive if they didnt have access to 8 hand disruption spells that they can use to snipe you turn 1 almost every time.
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anglachel posted:I almost wish Inquisition of Kozilek got banned. If only there was a downside to hand disruption!  Whats grixis most lopside matchup anyway? Adnaus?
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uninverted posted:Grixis shadow is like a reductio ad absurdum for people who are reluctant to ban things from fair decks. It has 14 ways to answer any relevant card in modern for 1 mana, it can either kill on turn 3 or play the super long game, it's got piles of cantrips to do the same thing every game, but it's "still just turning creatures sideways". I think it's just that the two extremes of people who want Modern to be Legacy without a Reserved List and people who want it to be Standard but two turns faster. I'm closer to the first extreme, so I want the banned list to be stuff like Hypergenesis, not stuff like Death's Shadow.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:24
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This W/B Pox deck was sweet to see in action. https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-complete-guide-to-planeswalker-pox-12th-place-modern-gp-vegas/ Main beats are Gideon, ally of zendikar and lingering souls with Sorin.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:28
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I think that if you really wanted to take a shot at weakening Death's Shadow decks, the card to ban is Thoughtseize. The deck runs eight discard spells, but Thoughtseize helps the Death's Shadow player reach a low life total very quickly. Without Thoughtseize, the deck can't use it in combination with fetchlands and shocklands to reduce their life total to ten by turn two with the right opening hand. The deck can clearly function without Thoughtseize and lower its life total by burning away three life per turn with fetchlands and shocklands, but it takes a bit more time and probably a hit or two from the opponent to get to that sweet spot of seven or eight life by turn three.
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anglachel posted:I almost wish Inquisition of Kozilek got banned. I think it's more that B gets you two of the best discard spells, one of the best removal spells, and (after some work) the best three creatures in the format. Adding on to the fact that those creatures also get you an unconditional counter for U, the deck is just very good. I dunno if DS should be banned, but it is very good. The New split spell could push it over the top. I don't think it is at the same point of the game that we saw the twin or pod bans. But those were also done for the pro tour, so who knows what will happen.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Please don't ban death's shadow it's an interesting card to play with and against. And I've been winning a lot with it. Goons winning with a deck is the biggest red flag showing that the deck should be banned. Also everyone remember that WotC decided that Wild Nacatl needed to be banned because it was too good and it was keeping other non-Zoo aggro strategies from existing, and it's only a 3/3 for one mana. It was also an extremely misguided ban. If they want to hate out the Grixis Death's Shadow deck, they should ban an enabler. Not Thoughtseize, since other decks want that card where the drawback is actually a drawback instead of an upside. Don't ban Street Wraith either, because Living End likes that card. No we should go straight for the primary enablers - fetchlands and shocklands.
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Cactrot posted:I think it's more that B gets you two of the best discard spells, one of the best removal spells, and (after some work) the best three creatures in the format. Adding on to the fact that those creatures also get you an unconditional counter for U, the deck is just very good. stubborn denial isn't unconditional. Even in it's ferocious mode it's just a 1 mana negate.
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Hellsau posted:Goons winning with a deck is the biggest red flag showing that the deck should be banned. I'M BEING TROLLED AND IT'S WORKING
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Retromancer posted:stubborn denial isn't unconditional. Even in it's ferocious mode it's just a 1 mana negate. You're right, it just seems to be that way.
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Retromancer posted:stubborn denial isn't unconditional. Even in it's ferocious mode it's just a 1 mana negate. You're technically right, but by the time DS gets online, you HAVE to use a noncreature spell to remove it as a threat without effectively two-for-oneing yourself with a double/triple block; something you probably won't even have access to due to all the removal and hand disruption the deck has. There are just no other creatures that can get that big that cheap except for the delve allstars which coincidentally the deck also runs. They need to make an uncounterable removal spell for two or three mana that isn't in black. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 12:49
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AlternateNu posted:You're technically right, but by the time DS gets online, you HAVE to use a noncreature spell to remove it as a threat without effectively two-for-oneing yourself with a double/triple block; something you probably won't even have access to due to all the removal and hand disruption the deck has. There are just no other creatures that can get that big that cheap except for the delve allstars which coincidentally the deck also runs. Bring back split second
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What is holding priority and why can't you use a spell with Split Second to make your previously cast spell Papa Was A Video Toaster fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 24, 2017 15:14
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Your opponent can just let the split second spell resolve and then counter the first spell.
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After the split second spell resolves each player gets priority again. It doesn't say nothing can be added to the stack until everything resolves.
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Can we take a little break from having bad opinions on banning cards from modern and go back to having bad opinions on the spoiled cards from the new set? The leaks of the Ixalan set have definitely hurt the hype on Hour of Devastation, at least locally. Lots of discussion at FNM with people showing more interest in the blurry foil rare sheet than everything else in Hour.
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Alaan posted:After the split second spell resolves each player gets priority again. It doesn't say nothing can be added to the stack until everything resolves. Lets do a flip version of Split Second. New mechanic: Isolate If a spell or ability would resolve while this spell is on the stack, no additional spells or abilities can be added to the stack until the stack is empty. So, you can still add poo poo, but as soon as the stack starts resolving, you can't touch it until everything resolves.  Edit: Slight rewording. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Smashing Link posted:Wasteland in Modern. 
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Smashing Link posted:Wasteland in Modern. Cool. Lets just make the format Drazi-Tron mirrors all day.
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Wasteland would be awesome. So would Rishadan PortAlternateNu posted:Cool. Lets just make the format Drazi-Tron mirrors all day. Sure it would run four copies but it would also get blown out real hard by other decks running it too, since tron is extremely fragile to LD. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Eldrazi Tron would be a much worse deck if wasteland existed in modern. Out of the current top decks, it would probably be best in affinity, or maybe some sort of company deck if any of them run kotr. That said, it's such a powerful card that it would probably fundamentally change the meta and also this is never going to happen so why are we discussing it
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AlternateNu posted:Cool. Lets just make the format Drazi-Tron mirrors all day. Uhhhhh, have you read what Wasteland does?
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Elyv posted:Eldrazi Tron would be a much worse deck if wasteland existed in modern. Out of the current top decks, it would probably be best in affinity, or maybe some sort of company deck if any of them run kotr. That said, it's such a powerful card that it would probably fundamentally change the meta and also this is never going to happen so why are we discussing it Because theorycrafting is all we have with no spoilers and lovely limited GP coverage. suicidesteve posted:Uhhhhh, have you read what Wasteland does? Yup. Mwwahahahaha.
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Someone is messaging the official Magic Facebook to tell them WotC shouldn't support gay pride because it's a mental disorder that needs a cure. I'd screenshot but I'm phone posting on break while judging a Vintage event.
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Jun 24, 2017 16:38
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Unfortunately that's par for the course for any social media.
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wow, lsv is actually playing in this GP Also Kai not playing with the Phoenix Foundation 
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AlternateNu posted:Lets do a flip version of Split Second. Red instant: Resolve Target spell or ability
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Archenteron posted:Red instant: Resolve Target spell or ability Nah, this should be blue, as it's order, not chaos. UU Instant Split Second Resolve Target Spell or Ability
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I opened the mtg twitch stream to check out the team gp for a couple minutes, the initial joining the channel twitch ad plays, completes the ad and then has the standard between rounds screen for 10-ish seconds, switches to a trivia question for another 10 second and then just switches to playing 6 ads in a row. What a great experience!
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OgreNoah posted:Nah, this should be blue, as it's order, not chaos. Running to the front of the line and cutting everyone else is definitely a red thing imo.
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