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It's so disorienting switching to an AA hero after playing a caster. I keep forgetting to stop moving.
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smarion2 posted:I'm on about a 5 game losing streak after bombing my placement matches... Not even sure whats going on but I know its time to take a break after a bad loss and get a whisper like this...
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Jun 24, 2017 08:11
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MMAgCh posted:Just be sure to slampick Kloctus next time and you should be fine. Unless the other team already has Thuu Kulitus
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Jun 24, 2017 08:55
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Pants Donkey posted:In alpha/beta and maybe even after launch, a lot of heroes used icons from their other games. So Warcraft tended to use ancient Warcraft 3 and WoW icons, Starcraft had some old SC icons, and Diablo 3 pretty much had their kit icons ported over. Yeah, but they grabbed all of 'em. Every single class's ability icons - even the ones that weren't converted into abilities or talents. They just said "gently caress it" and tossed 'em all in there.
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Jun 24, 2017 12:28
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Rag owns bones. I never feel weak with him. The nerfs we're minor. But if they want to change up his build they need to make E worth a drat.
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Jun 24, 2017 13:16
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TIL you don't have to hunt down new skins/mounts/etc in your collection to inspect them after getting them in a box. Of course you could always right click the category and "mark items as seen", but Halo showed me that this little star next to the filters: Does it for you! 
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Jun 24, 2017 16:05
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You can also right click on 'Collection' and 'Mark items as seen'.
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Jun 24, 2017 16:23
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Not the objective I'm going for, but ok. Also just threw a TL game in a really funny way. We were stomping, it was lvl 18 to 15, and we went to poke their core. Doorbell rang, pinged "retreat", went and got it. I was gone a sum total of 20 seconds, since the Jehova's Witness just wanted to hand me an invitation to a thing. Team wipes, then we start staggering deaths and losing objectives and end up throwing it. Gee, I wonder if our coordination would be easier if the we had merged our two Discord groups instead of them being too lazy to join ours or invite us to theirs? 
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Jun 24, 2017 16:47
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Is it common consensus that Rag is weak because I feel like I see him in an enormous number of my games and he usually has a sizeable impact on the outcome especially if the player is in any way competent at taking over bases at the right times. I've never at any point thought of him as weak or ineffective.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:31
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Libertine posted:Is it common consensus that Rag is weak Yes
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Jun 24, 2017 17:32
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You could have typed in doorbell
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Jun 24, 2017 17:32
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Uggghhh.... Communicating is for tryhards. This just TL, man. We just having fun.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:34
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Toshimo posted:Yes Okay well he has one of the highest win rates in the entire game so I'm kind of at a loss here because my eye test says he's strong, a numbers check says he's very strong, and then like four straight forum posters say he's garbage so uhhhh what does the argument that he is bad center around?
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Jun 24, 2017 17:38
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Toshimo is not very good at this game and has extremely strident opinions, take his posts with a spoonful of salt.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:41
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Libertine posted:Okay well he has one of the highest win rates in the entire game so I'm kind of at a loss here because my eye test says he's strong, a numbers check says he's very strong, and then like four straight forum posters say he's garbage so uhhhh what does the argument that he is bad center around? His kit doesn't lend itself to any comp and he's got quite a few popular counters. People are still adjusting, but his Q nerf was pretty relevant. SKULL.GIF posted:Toshimo is not very good at this game and has extremely strident opinions, take his posts with a spoonful of salt. Also, lol.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:43
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Toshimo posted:His kit doesn't lend itself to any comp and he's got quite a few popular counters. People are still adjusting, but his Q nerf was pretty relevant. That's a fair point. I feel like he's a good generalist though that covers a lot of bases even if he doesn't have strong synergy with other picks. I feel like Rag on my team or against me is usually managing lanes well, and can really turn a fight over hardcore if your team tries to base siege him and he takes the base and flips the fight. I don't personally like playing him, but I usually like having one on my team and often do.
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Libertine posted:That's a fair point. I feel like he's a good generalist though that covers a lot of bases even if he doesn't have strong synergy with other picks. I feel like Rag on my team or against me is usually managing lanes well, and can really turn a fight over hardcore if your team tries to base siege him and he takes the base and flips the fight. I don't personally like playing him, but I usually like having one on my team and often do. Ya, but the problem is that if you want a melee assassin, which you don't necessarily want at this stage of the game, Genji, Illidan, Thrall, Kerrigan, and probably Malthael are gonna do more work in general. That why I said Rag is mediocre. He's not bottom of barrel, like Cassia or Butcher, but there's almost always a couple better choices.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:02
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Toshimo posted:Ya, but the problem is that if you want a melee assassin, which you don't necessarily want at this stage of the game, Genji, Illidan, Thrall, Kerrigan, and probably Malthael are gonna do more work in general. That why I said Rag is mediocre. He's not bottom of barrel, like Cassia or Butcher, but there's almost always a couple better choices. He seems like he fills a melee specialist role to me, I don't really see him as an assassin at all and I'm not really sure why he's ever had that designation given the way they have classified other heroes. Like I don't think of him as analogous to the other heroes you mentioned and agree with your comments on fit.
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I feel like Rag would feel better if they made him less of an "assassin" and more bruisery.
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I think I must be doing something wrong with Johanna, because she seems so straightforward but she's consistently my worst Tank. Any recommended builds ( https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/johanna#hCCV still relevant?)? Or, can someone identify the kind of comp you would pick her for if I weren't just dicking around in QM? Like, I gather she's supposed to be more of a late-pick, response-to-something-else hero, but I'm not sure what that thing would be.
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Libertine posted:He seems like he fills a melee specialist role to me, I don't really see him as an assassin at all and I'm not really sure why he's ever had that designation given the way they have classified other heroes. Like I don't think of him as analogous to the other heroes you mentioned and agree with your comments on fit. Yeah, he has value and use, and there's a lot of really cool cheese you can do with molten core. But that's not assassin stuff, and now you really don't wanna be in melee with him.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:You could have typed in doorbell I typed "poo poo brb" along with the retreat ping. Forgot that little detail  It wasn't so much the lost teamfight there, but the resultant meltdown. We were still 2 levels up after that, just behind slightly in coins. Instead of PvE to win, we ended up somewhat grouping for teamfights somewhat roaming for mercs. It was a dumb loss, I just thought it was funny enough to share because Jehova's Witness, and such a large throw.
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Jun 24, 2017 20:15
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Ah okay that should be enough. Shame that tilted people
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Ghost of Starman posted:I think I must be doing something wrong with Johanna, because she seems so straightforward but she's consistently my worst Tank. Any recommended builds ( https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/johanna#hCCV still relevant?)? Johanna is the wave clear tank, you pick her to make your four man/three man have really good waveclear. She has decent peel, is good versus auto-attack comps. You also need someone else in the comp to have initiation.
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Jun 24, 2017 22:20
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Hit 100 and my epic chest gave me Nazeebo and a chromie genie costume, cool stuff. I had fun playing him on his free week.
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Ghost of Starman posted:I think I must be doing something wrong with Johanna, because she seems so straightforward but she's consistently my worst Tank. Any recommended builds ( https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/johanna#hCCV still relevant?)? Try this instead: https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/johanna#h9Wd Use Falling Sword for re-engagement and peel, not initiation (you don't want to be in midair when the fight starts or a teammate could get chunked or even killed before you land). Battle Momentum is important if you want to keep hitting buttons in a fight, although taking Eternal Retaliation + Conviction instead is also viable. She's the second-hardest-to-kill hero in the game after Chen, you draft her when you need to be able to walk into range of the enemy occasionally and have it be no big deal. Also it's worth co-signing that she has good waveclear, which most tanks don't. quote:rag chat The secret to Rag is that they should have categorized him as a specialist. He can hold down a solo lane, wave clear, and use his trait to force the enemy to stop a siege, which "melee assassins" generally don't. A better comparison would be Nazeebo, Xul or Azmodan. His meteor talents are seriously underrated; if the enemy team comp won't let you play aggressively, you can hang back and poke, and after 16 it's good for killing retreaters too. There are even some times you still want Lava Wave despite the nerfs; it provides a global split push threat similar to what Falstad or a late-game Azmodan can do.
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Lava wave is pretty sweet for clearing a lane when the enemy manages to grab multiple camps, or on spiders to push yours up. But man the range on sulfurus is great for sniping fleeing teams
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1982 Subaru Brat posted:The secret to Rag is that they should have categorized him as a specialist. He can hold down a solo lane, wave clear, and use his trait to force the enemy to stop a siege, which "melee assassins" generally don't. A better comparison would be Nazeebo, Xul or Azmodan. His meteor talents are seriously underrated; if the enemy team comp won't let you play aggressively, you can hang back and poke, and after 16 it's good for killing retreaters too. There are even some times you still want Lava Wave despite the nerfs; it provides a global split push threat similar to what Falstad or a late-game Azmodan can do. The benefits of lava wave never outweigh sulfuras.
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Ragnaros is an Assassin with a Specialist gimmick. He's a reasonably powerful generalist like Thrall is, but lacks a specific focus that makes him effective at a single job (compare him to Greymane or Kael, for instance). He fits into nearly any team composition because he has a good mix of poke, burst, and sustain. Ragnaros's problem is that he relies very, very heavily on talents and gimmicks because his stats are kinda lovely. Fully kitted out, a halfway competent Q build Ragnaros can handle a 1v2 without much difficulty (and in certain cases, 1v3s). However, that requires a fully farmed up Level 1 talent (that requires last-hitting in a game that's designed to not have last-hitting), at least a Level 7 talent, and ideally a Level 13 talent. A W build Ragnaros (aka The Saucy Meatball) is almost entirely poke-oriented. Granted, there's much to be said for builds that allow you to poke enemies down and then swoop in for the kill, but other characters do that much more effectively (Greymane and Cassia come to mind, although I'm sure there are others). An E build Ragnaros is basically a weird Q build that needs 16 to be worth a gently caress. Ragnaros's Heroics, meanwhile, have their own problems. Sulfuras Smash (aka the Good And Correct Ult For Tryhards) requires a lot of precision and coordination from your team for maximum efficiency, something that isn't always available. It has the highest potential to do work, but you'll be threading the needle to make it happen. Meanwhile Lava Wave is, in a word, okayish. There's a lot to be said for the ability to wipe a lane clean, and if you somehow catch even a single enemy Hero in it the damage output is pretty good. However, it's extremely telegraphed, pretty easy to dodge, and its primary use case (a countermeasure against Braxis Holdout Zerg Waves) was harshly undercut shortly after Ragnaros was released. Molten Core has the potential to do things like counteract heavy Objective pushes or effects. However, I've never actually seen it happen because dumbass Ragnaroses (Ragnarii?) blow it on stupid poo poo before the push actually occurs (like using it to try to snag skulls from Infernal Shrine minions instead of using it to defend against the Punisher).
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If lava wave actually did damage to bosses and stuff there'd be an argument
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Jun 25, 2017 02:41
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If HOTS had a hero that was the embodiment of a C+, Ragnaros would be that hero.
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Personally I think Ragnaros is just kind of boring to play aside from the meatball. Mediocre stats just make that all feel even worse. Also how did they screw up his alternate colors so bad? Like were green and blue that hard that they had to go with either more red or piss?
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chumbler posted:Personally I think Ragnaros is just kind of boring to play aside from the meatball. Mediocre stats just make that all feel even worse. Also how did they screw up his alternate colors so bad? Like were green and blue that hard that they had to go with either more red or piss? The killing complaint against a Blue Ragnaros was that it looked too much like Jaina's Water Elemental.
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Power Bottom posted:The killing complaint against a Blue Ragnaros was that it looked too much like Jaina's Water Elemental. If someone on the Dev team really said that, then made Auriel look-alike colored Malth, they are literally retarded.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:29
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Ragnaros is a mustard elemental in lore, so it actually makes sense.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:30
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Abroham Lincoln posted:Ragnaros is a mustard elemental in lore, so it actually makes sense. Hot dog stand Ragnaros would be a sweet skin.
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Mustached Demon posted:Hot dog stand Ragnaros would be a sweet skin. The problem with Ragnaros getting new skins is that I'd want them to be based on the far superior Lil Ragnaros skin and not the completely terrible default and master skins. Hot Dog Stand Lil' Ragnaros would be A+
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ketchup fountain ragnaros
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So Cassia has a Wonder Woman coloring, Morales has Samus, and I think Sonya's black hair basic skin is supposed to reference Conan though I may be something that's not there. Are there any other special recolors like that hidden among characters' basic skins?
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Bruceski posted:So Cassia has a Wonder Woman coloring, Morales has Samus, and I think Sonya's black hair basic skin is supposed to reference Conan though I may be something that's not there. Are there any other special recolors like that hidden among characters' basic skins? One of Kharazim's skins is Aang from Avatar, think it's one of the basics.
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