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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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Jimmy Butler is very much a top 10 player. At the very least he played like one last year. Now if you have questions about whether or not how he would react to playing team ball movement basketball rather than having to take his possessions to ISO. It is a valid question. Also gently caress yeah Lavar Ball on WWE.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:59
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Strawberry Panda posted:Don't think anyone was saying it was. Certainly not. To tie it to what Niwrad said, I think WS dramatically underrates Draymond and somewhat overrates Curry in terms of who is more vital to GS winning. Both are top 15 players for sure though. There is virtually no metric by which Butler isn't top 10, so I think the burden is on haters to argue otherwise, while Green is not as well supported numerically so you have to get into the less obvious ways he makes that team work.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:02
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DeimosRising posted:For the 7 guys you consider definitely better I'm guessing Lebron Durant Curry Kawhi Davis Westbrook Harden? Sounds about right, followed by some combo of Draymond, Paul, Giannis, Gobert, Wall, PG13, and Klay.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:11
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I suppose I just don't believe in isolation scorers who can't shoot 3s being the centerpiece of a potential championship team in the era of multiple stars. So if I had to choose between Jimmy Butler and Paul George to build a potential championship team around, I'd go with Paul George because he can shoot better, so if I managed to acquire another star they would mesh more seamlessly
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Jun 25, 2017 02:17
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SpiritOfSanDimas posted:KAT averaged 25 and 12 on a team with zero spacing. Also I think being a big that can shoot provides a lot of inherent value, while being a wing that can't shoot the 3 particularly well (Jimmy Butler) can be a liability. KAT definitely can be better than Butler with his skillset. He still needs a lot of work though. He's a complete trainwreck on defense.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:22
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He's going to be president of the USA
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Jun 25, 2017 02:25
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SpiritOfSanDimas posted:I suppose I just don't believe in isolation scorers who can't shoot 3s being the centerpiece of a potential championship team in the era of multiple stars. Butler is like a 37% 3pt shooter, he's not a sharp shooter by any stretch, but is far from whatever "unable to shoot 3's" is.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:31
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Sounds about right, followed by some combo of Draymond, Paul, Giannis, Gobert, Wall, PG13, and Klay. Klay is not a top 25 player, come on
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Jun 25, 2017 02:32
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Dexo posted:Butler is like a 37% 3pt shooter, he's not a sharp shooter by any stretch, but is far from whatever "unable to shoot 3's" is. Dwyane Wade I guess? And we all know how lovely and unsuccessful he was.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:36
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Dexo posted:Butler is like a 37% 3pt shooter, he's not a sharp shooter by any stretch, but is far from whatever "unable to shoot 3's" is. Right The issue is dieng Rubio and Wiggins Tho I assume Rubio will be banished by October.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:37
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Dutchy posted:Dwyane Wade I guess? And we all know how lovely and unsuccessful he was. yeah what a loving loser wade was
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Jun 25, 2017 02:38
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Tho Wiggins is trending in the right direction
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Jun 25, 2017 02:40
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euphronius posted:Right Wiggins makes 3s at about the same rate as Butler.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:40
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Lebron James elite 3 point shooter or supreme loser pick your troll
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Jun 25, 2017 02:40
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Djieng shoots it about as well, too. And even better than KAT (at like an eighth of the volume)!
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Jun 25, 2017 02:41
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SpiritOfSanDimas posted:I suppose I just don't believe in isolation scorers who can't shoot 3s being the centerpiece of a potential championship team in the era of multiple stars. Butler is a respectable 3-point shooter. He can also play off the ball. He does the iso stuff a little too much but I also think that was a factor of who he was playing with. He had arguably the worst supporting cast out of any star in the league. He's a really versatile player. He can handle the ball and initiate the offense. He can run off screens and spot-up. He's great at making cuts and getting to the rim. Can post up smaller players. Even play the point (his assist ratio is really good). Delve deeper into the stats and you'll see he's not an isolation scorer.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:41
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Kibner posted:Wiggins makes 3s at about the same rate as Butler. Right . Exactly . But butler will have the ball a lot so do other teams respect Wiggins beyond the ark? He's under 35% but trending up . I guess he could make a leap to 38-40% If you are featuring a guy like butler and insisting on dieng AND RUBIO i don't see how Wiggins fits . Tho as I mentioned Rubio should be traded asap but who wants him he can't shoot.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:43
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euphronius posted:Right Wiggins seems capable of knocking down a 3 too. They likely need a solid stretch-4 or PG who can shoot the 3. If Ryan Anderson is truly on the trade block, he'd be a guy I'd target if I was the Wolves. Rubio/Wiggins/Butler/Anderson/KAT is a really good and balanced starting 5.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:45
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Niwrad posted:Wiggins seems capable of knocking down a 3 too. They likely need a solid stretch-4 or PG who can shoot the 3. The offense is not the problem. It's never been the problem in the KAT era. They have three really good offensive players and an elite passer, they will score buckets at a good efficiency like always. Ryan Anderson does not solve the problem that they are literally one of the worst defenses in the league for two years. They need a combo forward that can play the four with range. If anything, they should get Luol Deng if you want them to get bad salary players. He can play the four.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:47
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Wiggins has shot at best 35%. There is a huge difference between a guy who teams will close out on and guys who they will never leave. Wiggins is not good enough yet where the other team will never leave him tho they will close out on him. Combine that with dieng and Rubio ugh. They have to get rid of Rubio. Maybe run butler at nominal point guard ? This is all in imho i watched maybe ten wolves games last year
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Jun 25, 2017 02:48
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Also the Wolves have cap space(assuming they can get rid of Rubio) to sign like lets say a Kyle Lowry which means they have 1 sharp shooter 3pt shooter, and 2 perimeter players that are respectable 3pt shooters.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:49
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The Wolves offense improved in efficiency from last year. Like seriously guys, stop suggesting one-way offensive players as the solution to their problems which don't exist
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Jun 25, 2017 02:50
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Tae posted:The Wolves offense improved in efficiency from last year. Like seriously guys, stop suggesting one-way offensive players as the solution to their problems which don't exist A Tae post I can agree with.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:52
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Well yeah by I'm talking about if they want to be a legit team.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:53
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Meh. KAT, and Wiggins have the tools to be elite defenders. It depends on if they buy in or not.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:54
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Tae posted:The offense is not the problem. It's never been the problem in the KAT era. They have three really good offensive players and an elite passer, they will score buckets at a good efficiency like always. I think the solution for fixing the defense is going to come from within. Wiggins and KAT have the skillsets to be great defenders in this league. With a great defensive coach I think they will get much better in the coming years. Remember we're talking about a 21 and 22 year old learning one of the more demanding defensive schemes in the league. Jimmy Butler also immediately helps their defense. I'd be shocked if they don't end up in the upper half of the league this year defensively.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:54
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Dexo posted:Also the Wolves have cap space(assuming they can get rid of Rubio) to sign like lets say a Kyle Lowry which means they have 1 sharp shooter 3pt shooter, and 2 perimeter players that are respectable 3pt shooters. wait who is the sharpshooter
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Jun 25, 2017 02:56
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The real question should be why did Thibs draft another Center on a team with three already
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Jun 25, 2017 02:56
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And yeah, you can hide a bad perimeter and a bad post defender if everyone helps and does their job correctly(again besides like against the Warriors). Rose and Boozer got completely hidden defensively by Brewer/Bogans Noah, and Deng/Butler You have Butler now, Wiggins has the potential if he lives up to it, and KAT has significantly more tools than Noah did.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:57
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Tae posted:The real question should be why did Thibs draft another Center on a team with three already didn't thibbydeau play taj gibson at small forward at some point
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Jun 25, 2017 02:58
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I suppose Butler might work, but its important to keep in mind when reading my posts that I'm an idiot who thinks that Mike D'antoni has solved basketball
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Jun 25, 2017 02:58
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Being good at defense is a given of you want to be good. You have to be great at offense tho to do anything in the playoffs. Dont see this team being great at offense with dieng Wiggins and Rubio. Dont quote me regular season stats. No one cares about the regular season. With a player as good as kat you should be focusing on winning playoff series. Dieng and Rubio aren't payoff players. Maybe Wiggins if he keeps shooting well This is coming off too strident and dumb I'm sorry. I'm trying to get my 3 year old to go to sleep and I'm mad
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Jun 25, 2017 02:59
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Minnesota should not replace rubio with Lowry because that does not make them better and Lowry does not fit their timeline
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Jun 25, 2017 02:59
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chunkles posted:didn't thibbydeau play taj gibson at small forward at some point He actually played Taj at Center at times which is shocking considering this was back in like 2010 when that was rarely a thing.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:01
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Tae posted:The real question should be why did Thibs draft another Center on a team with three already BPA on his board? Wants to trade or get rid of one of them. NBA you should always go BPA no matter what you "need" figure it out later. AggressivelyStupid posted:wait who is the sharpshooter Lowry shot like 41-42% from 3 last year.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:01
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Lowry would be perfect for minne I hope it happens. Other than that's another great east player going west. Re window: butler is in his prime now and you already have to worry about pleasing kat. Plus the gm is the coach for some dumb reason . This is a win now team .
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Jun 25, 2017 03:03
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Minnesota's window is long as gently caress. Guess what you have Butler playing with a bunch of young dudes. If they suck, and Butler gets old and bad or whatever. You still have KAT and Wiggins theoretically entering their primes and can build around KAT. This move also shows KAT,that the ownership is loving serious and willing to spend cash to put together a winning team. Which lowers the chance of him leaving unless he just really wants to play somewhere else.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:06
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Metapod posted:Minnesota should not replace rubio with Lowry because that does not make them better and Lowry does not fit their timeline Timeline's another thing here, their ceiling is still first round exit. I'd be way more concerned about someone getting a hair up their rear end about playing for the Lakers or something before sweating the 3&D situation of the 17-18 team.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:07
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Y'all acting like kat is in his prime or hell on his second contract Minnesota is absolutely not in win now mode
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Jun 25, 2017 03:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3LXmLblTN4
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