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Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

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Gotta nuke something
Well, the white piece fits over the C02 canister, forcing it down onto a spike in the middle of the valve that punctures it.

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Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak
I've seen one of those little CO2 canisters get punctured before, and it really has a lot of force behind it when it goes.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Phanatic posted:

See also: Love Canal.

"Sell us this property."
"No, we've buried a lot of stuff there, in full accord with existing laws."
"Sell us this property so we can build homes and schools on it."
"What? No way. There's a lot of toxic poo poo buried there. Here, we'll show you where."
"Sell us this property or we'll condemn it and seize it via eminent domain."
"Sigh. Okay. We'll sell it to you for a buck. But if you build homes and schools on it, that's not our fault."
"Great, thanks."

(Some time passes.)

"Okay, we took the property you sold us and built homes and schools on it and broke through the clay burial vault so we could run pipes through it and we used the clay as fill. We're suing you for the cleanup."

Yeah, about that...

quote:

In March 1952, Bjarne Klaussen, Hooker's executive vice president, worried that it might be "advisable for us to discontinue using the Love Canal property for dumping ground" because of the development of the area. "It is also rather clear to me," Mr. Klaussen wrote, "that we should not sell the property in order to avoid any risks."

Within a month, though, Mr. Klaussen, who has since died, changed his mind. On April 25, 1952, he wrote to Hooker's new president, B. L. Murray, that he had met with school officials along with Mr. Wilcox, the lawyer who had worried years before about the swimming children.

"The more we thought about it," Mr. Klaussen wrote, "the more interested Wilcox and I became in the proposition, and finally came to the conclusion that the Love Canal property is rapidly becoming a liability because of housing projects in the near vicinity of our property. A school, however, could be built in the center unfilled section (with chemicals underground)."

The Hooker executive concluded that "we became convinced that it would be a wise move to turn this property over to the schools provided we could not be held responsible for future claims or damages resulting from underground storage of chemicals."
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/22/nyregion/love-canal-suit-focuses-on-records-from-1940-s.html?pagewanted=2

"This pit we've been dumping waste in could be a liability, with all the development going on around it."
"What if we give it away but with a clause exempting us from all liability?"

Dr. Garbanzo
Sep 14, 2010
Normal commercial varieties of those canisters that I've come across have been full stainless steel in their construction. Provided the top section is screwed on straight two canisters can be easily added without issue. In the cleaning of them though you do have to be careful. Failing to dis-charge the gas means you end up with cream over everything including the ceiling and walls. If you aim it the wrong way it'll hit you as well.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Splode posted:

I've seen one of those little CO2 canisters get punctured before, and it really has a lot of force behind it when it goes.

As kids we used to make rockets out of them and it's amazing we never killed or even hurt ourselves.

Some metal pipe for a barrel and some wood and rubber bands to hold things in place, then 'pop' the cartridge using a hammer hitting a nail stuck halfway through the wood behind it.

Somehow we only ever managed to shoot them either straight up or at plastic army men, but when I think of how many times I'd hold the canisters in place with my bare hands if we couldn't find any rubber bands, I'm amazed I still have all my fingers.

Gumbel2Gumbel
Apr 28, 2010

When I think about all the absolutely retarded poo poo I survived as a kid, WHILE BEING THE CAUTIOUS ONE, it makes me terrified to have children.

Like I easily should have drowned/broke my neck/been killed by that bear/died of alcohol poisoning

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

When I think about all the absolutely retarded poo poo I survived as a kid, WHILE BEING THE CAUTIOUS ONE, it makes me terrified to have children.

Like I easily should have drowned/broke my neck/been killed by that bear/died of alcohol poisoning

Yeah but this is how you learn the important lesson that you are invincible and therefore PPE is for children and babies.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Gorilla Salad posted:

As kids we used to make rockets out of them and it's amazing we never killed or even hurt ourselves.

Some metal pipe for a barrel and some wood and rubber bands to hold things in place, then 'pop' the cartridge using a hammer hitting a nail stuck halfway through the wood behind it.

Somehow we only ever managed to shoot them either straight up or at plastic army men, but when I think of how many times I'd hold the canisters in place with my bare hands if we couldn't find any rubber bands, I'm amazed I still have all my fingers.

In middle school shop class we made race cars powered by them. We were amazed by how cold they got. Adiabatic expansion of an ideal gas wasn't something a 13yr knew.

Gumbel2Gumbel
Apr 28, 2010

Literally A Person posted:

Yeah but this is how you learn the important lesson that you are invincible and therefore PPE is for children and babies.

Good lord have I heard that excuse from a lot of people with hosed up backs and knees at work telling me to do dangerous poo poo.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

GotLag posted:

Yeah, about that...

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/22/nyregion/love-canal-suit-focuses-on-records-from-1940-s.html?pagewanted=2

"This pit we've been dumping waste in could be a liability, with all the development going on around it."
"What if we give it away but with a clause exempting us from all liability?"

The deed doesn't do that.

quote:

Prior to the delivery of this instrument of conveyance, the grantee herein has been advised by the grantor that the premises above described have been filled, in whole or in part, to the present grade level thereof with waste products resulting from the manufacturing of chemicals by the grantor at its plant in the City of Niagara Falls, New York, and the grantee assumes all risk and liability incident to the use thereof. It is therefore understood and agreed that, as a part of the consideration for this conveyance and as a condition thereof, no claim, suit, action or demand of any nature whatsoever shall ever be made by the grantee, its successors or assigns, against the grantor, its successors or assigns, for injury to a person or persons, including death resulting therefrom, or loss of or damage to property caused by, in connection with or by reason of the presence of said industrial wastes. It is further agreed as a condition hereof that each subsequent conveyance of the aforesaid lands shall be made subject to the foregoing provisions and conditions.

You can't exempt yourself from *all* liability. That first bit, about the grantee assumes all risk and liability incident to use, is utterly standard with any transfer and property. The second bit limits lawsuits from the city, and anyone the city subsequently assigns the property to, but doesn't limit lawsuits from third parties. And the third bit specifically says "If you sell this land to someone else, *you need to warn them about the same things we're warning you about*.

Hooker actually escorted city officials around the site and took test samples to show them "See, bad stuff's buried here, and here, and here." And, again, the Board threatened Hooker with condemnation proceedings in 1952.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



What happened to the days when you would just get a balloon and a cracker at the local porn store??

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

KoRMaK posted:

What happened to the days when you would just get a balloon and a cracker at the local porn store??

Excuse me I think you mean deflator.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



ulmont posted:

Excuse me I think you mean deflator.

*uh hum* sport-flate

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Is "lifestyle blog" what we're calling where women post saucy pictures of their bottoms these days?

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Trunko posted:

Is "lifestyle blog" what we're calling where women post saucy pictures of their bottoms these days?

I just read it for the articles!

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Phanatic posted:

The deed doesn't do that.


You can't exempt yourself from *all* liability. That first bit, about the grantee assumes all risk and liability incident to use, is utterly standard with any transfer and property. The second bit limits lawsuits from the city, and anyone the city subsequently assigns the property to, but doesn't limit lawsuits from third parties. And the third bit specifically says "If you sell this land to someone else, *you need to warn them about the same things we're warning you about*.

Hooker actually escorted city officials around the site and took test samples to show them "See, bad stuff's buried here, and here, and here." And, again, the Board threatened Hooker with condemnation proceedings in 1952.

Plus, it all may have been okay if the people building the school and poo poo didn't BREAK THE GODDAMN CLAY CAP SEALING THE BAD poo poo

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

So Math posted:

I guess the actual set-up was deemed too unrealistic for the movie.




Bonus OSHA points: The same core had already gone critical before when a different scientist dropped a tungsten brick on it.

IIRC NDT's Cosmos remake went full cheese/camp and have that incident happen with some over sized giant crowbar.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

saw some primo health and safety on CBC's website today

5 people die after being electrocuted at water park in Turkey

the dead included the initial victims and some rescuers

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Anta posted:

Supposedly one of these:



The failure mode is apparently that the little CO2 cylinder attachment point fails and it shoots off like a bullet.

Is it just me, or do plastic-on-metal threads seem like a poor choice for a device that could be under intense pressure??

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Probably why it failed cheap plastic giving way or not threaded on correctly.
Isi whippers(the only kind I've ever personally seen/used)either have a metal thing that holds the cartridges while charging or a harder plastic possibly a reinforced nylon.
People also leave the cartridge holder on the whipper after charging it all the time which is unnecessary and could potentially cause the threads to wear out sooner. The Isi whippers come with a dust cap thing that you put on after chatting it to keep crap out of the port.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

BattleMaster posted:

saw some primo health and safety on CBC's website today

5 people die after being electrocuted at water park in Turkey

the dead included the initial victims and some rescuers

Ugh. I have this habit of tapping anything metal with my knuckles before getting into water like a jacuzzi.

kissekatt
Apr 20, 2005

I have tasted the fruit.

DirtRoadJunglist posted:

I just noticed how close dude's crotch is to that assembly :stonklol:
Sometimes you just want some beer and a glowjob.

torturemyballs
Feb 25, 2015

Ceiling fan posted:

I didn't realize how long people have had to wear those drat picture ID badges. And you can spoof them the same way now as back then.


That's a hell of a thing. "Oh no! I'm going to burn to death!" Then BAM! You spasm to death. Very ugly. Bastards.

eh I work with a lot of HCN (up to 99+% purity) and it is considered the pleasant way to go, just sleepy time. When people are exposed and pass out they're known as "knockdowns" and have no long term health effects. HF and being burned by high pressure steam to death are a lot scarier to me (we also have lots of these!)

torturemyballs fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jun 24, 2017

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
http://i.imgur.com/hjJKDip.mp4

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Anta posted:

Supposedly one of these:



The failure mode is apparently that the little CO2 cylinder attachment point fails and it shoots off like a bullet.

It's not CO2. CO2 turns the cream sour.

It's some gas that's inert in cream, usually laughing gas (which is why those little whipped cream gas cylinders are popular among certain drug users).

JB50
Feb 13, 2008


I love the lack of reaction from everyone here.

Yuwe
Apr 6, 2009
You can see another pile of bricks on the other side, so I guess this is just their usual workflow.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

JB50 posted:

I love the lack of reaction from everyone here.

They knew they couldn't fight fate.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.
Given how it was lopsided already they probably knew they were losing those bricks but had to try anyway.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
The pallet didn't seem totalled or anything so its pretty questionable to not scoot it back and re-rig. They were clearly hoping the bucket would have clamped the brick load to the pallet supported by the rigging chain through the pallet but dynamics had something else to say about one line of contact along the bottom.

But to the nonchalance, the natural state of rigged things is falling so its more of a shrug and whispering poo poo under your breath than needing to run around with arms waving like could you believe that amateurly rigged load fell????

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Phanatic posted:

Hooker actually escorted city officials around the site and took test samples to show them "See, bad stuff's buried here, and here, and here." And, again, the Board threatened Hooker with condemnation proceedings in 1952.

Have you got a source for this threatened condemnation?

The Atlantic posted:

Few of those who, in 1977, lived in the numerous houses that had sprung up by the site were aware that the large and barren field behind them was a burial ground for toxic waste. That year, while working as a reporter for a local newspaper, the Niagara Gazette, I began to inquire regularly about the strange conditions reported by the Schroeders and other families in the Love Canal area. Both the Niagara County Health Department and the city said it was a nuisance condition, but no serious danger to the people. Officials of Hooker Company refused comment, claiming only that they had no records of the chemical burials and that the problem was not their responsibility. Indeed, Hooker had deeded the land to the Niagara Falls Board of Education in 1953, for a token $1. With it the company issued no detailed warnings of the chemicals, only a brief paragraph in the quitclaim document that disclaimed company liability for any injuries or deaths which might occur at the site.

The board’s attorney, Ralph Boniello, says he received no phone calls or letters specifically relating the exact nature of the refuse and what it could do, nor did the board, as the company was later to claim, threaten condemnation of the property in order to secure the land. “We had no idea what was in there,” Boniello said.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1979/12/love-canal-and-the-poisoning-of-america/376297/

ed:

quote:

Though Hooker was undoubtedly relieved to rid itself of the contaminated land, the company was so vague about the hazards involved that one might have thought the wastes would cause harm only if touched, because they irritated the skin; otherwise, they were not of great concern. In reality, as the company must have known, the dangers of these wastes far exceeded those of acids or alkalines or inert salts. We now know that the drums Hooker had dumped in the canal contained a veritable witch’s brew—compounds of truly remarkable toxicity. There were solvents that attacked the heart and liver, and residues from pesticides so dangerous that their commercial sale was shortly thereafter restricted outright by the government; some of them were already suspected of causing cancer.

Yet Hooker gave no hint of that. When the board of education, which wanted the parcel for a new school, approached Hooker, B. Klaussen, at the time Hooker’s executive vice president, said in a letter to the board, “Our officers have carefully considered your request. We are very conscious of the need for new elementary schools and realize that the sites must be carefully selected so that they will best serve the area involved. We feel that the board of education has done a fine job in meeting the expanding demand for additional facilities and we are anxious to cooperate in any proper way. We have, therefore, come to the conclusion that since this location is the most desirable one for this purpose, we will be willing to donate the entire strip of property which we own between Colvin Boulevard and Frontier Avenue to be used for the erection of a school at a location to be determined … ”

Edit 2: Definitely the school authority should have halted construction when mysterious, vile-smelling poo poo start appearing, but I don't think it's at all honest to present Hooker as some kind of innocent victim.

GotLag fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Jun 24, 2017

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

GotLag posted:

Have you got a source for this threatened condemnation?

http://reason.com/archives/1981/02/01/love-canal/1

quote:

Then there are two letters from the School Board's attorney, Ralph Boniello—one dated September 4, 1952, informing the Board's business manager, Frank Lang, that procedures were under way to purchase four lots abutting the Canal; the other dated September 19, 1952, addressed to Mr. Carmen J. Caggiano and sent registered mail, return receipt requested, informing Mr. Caggiano that since he had refused the Board's "price offered of $10 per front foot" for the strip of 10 lots he owned along the east side of the Canal, "The purpose of this letter is to apprise you of the institution of an action in condemnation to acquire the above--escribed property for educational purposes."

According to reporter Michael Brown, in his book and other writings, the School Board's attorney at the time denies that the threat of property condemnation was ever held out against Hooker for the Love Canal site. Brown neither questions nor documents this. Yet when Hooker, in 1957, addressed to the president of the Board of Education a letter that was read out loud and passed around at the Board's meeting on November 21 of that year, and when that letter recalled that in 1952 Board officials had threatened "that condemnation proceedings might be resorted to," there wasn't a peep of protest from South any Board member or official present—not from Wesley Kester, head of the Board's Buildings and Grounds Committee in 1957, who had served in the same capacity in 1952 and so must have been very prominently involved in the negotiations with Hooker at the time; not from Arthur Silberberg, another member of the same committee who had also served in the same capacity throughout that period with the Board; not from Frank Lang, a Board member who had served as manager of business affairs throughout the period and was always involved in such matters as property condemnations; not from William Small, who was superintendent of schools throughout the period and who had personally accompanied Hooker's executive vice-president, Bjarne Klaussen, to Love Canal in March 1952 when the test-holes were bored into the clay cover over the Canal and into the surrounding area to check for chemical leakage; not from the Board's attorney, William Salacuse, who had been its president back in 1952 and who had also been present at that test at the Canal site; not from anyone at all, though the printed minutes of that evening's Board meeting make conspicuous mention of this letter from Hooker.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Reason.com?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

Like I easily should have drowned/broke my neck/been killed by that bear/died of alcohol poisoning
Still, it's pretty impressive you outdrank that bear. Nobody can take that away from you.

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
Shirts are generic freebies, did not represent the company they worked for. Weird glare is because I was taking the pics from a window.

No ear or eye protection.



No collapse protections or precautions, they didn't think twice about being under the load or excavator bucket, and there's a second guy in the trench, under the pipe, that you can't really see here.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

A tanker truck crashed in Afghanistan Pakistan and lots of people gathered around to pilfer fuel from the leaking tank. Then someone decided it was a good time to smoke and :welp:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-40396036

e: I get my -stans mixed up :downs:

Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jun 25, 2017

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Pakistan, though that happens inf Afghanistan all the time as well. But jeez I'm always amazed by how many people these fires kill. Looks like the Highway of Death in that photo.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

For the first time in a while, I had to proctor practical exams for guys getting their crane certifications. It was an articulating boom crane being operated by remote control.

The second guy we tested had sticky thumbs, having a lot of difficulty stopping when given the signal. This was a worrying sign. During the third challenge (maneuvering a 400 lb barrel full of water in a figure 8 through a course without letting the chain hanging from the bottom come off the ground or the barrel hit the ground), he ended up hitting one of the switches too hard and suddenly slammed one of the oil drums on the course so hard that it went flying into the air. His attempts to get the barrel back to the start/finish point resulted in him swinging it around so wildly that it nearly hit myself and the examiner, and he swung so wildly that the zip tie holding the chain snapped and the chain fell right off.

A later candidate decided to take his familiarization time since he wasn't that good with the crane. I have some video that I unfortunately can't post to keep my workplace a secret, but he ended up swinging the arm around and nearly clocking the examiner in the face with a 150 pound ball.

Out of the whole group, only half of them actually passed their written exams. They had a mess of learning disabilities (the guy who knocked over the barrel must have dyscalculia because he adds extra zeroes to numbers after adding them wrong), 4th grade educations, poor reading comprehension, and grasps of English so poor as to need an interpreter. Some of these men have been allowed to operate for 30 years.

And OSHA just extended the deadline to get certified by a year. Don't drive under any suspended loads for a while!

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Was posted in the weird news thread:

Lime Tonics posted:

Czech Republic nuclear power station hosts bikini contest to choose interns

A Czech nuclear power plant decided a bikini contest would be a good way to choose its next round of interns. Facebook users were asked to rate school graduates who posed inside a cooling tower.

http://www.dw.com/en/czech-republic-nuclear-power-station-hosts-bikini-contest-to-choose-interns/a-39404100

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Hubis
May 18, 2003

Boy, I wish we had one of those doomsday machines...

Horrible Lurkbeast posted:

Was posted in the weird news thread:

The release said the experience was greatly enjoyed by the girls, who were required to wear hard hats and enclosed shoes at all times.

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