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No Safe Word
Feb 26, 2005

Grump posted:

Also i only got like a 1550 on the SATs lol

I'm so pissed that they hosed with the scoring so much after I took them (mine was on the 1600 point system), because this statement gives me a knee-jerk "uh, nice humblebrag?" reaction until I remember that the rescaling crap happened.

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CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Oh wow, I actually got a reply to my request for feedback:

quote:

On the technical side, you had a decent grasp of a number of academic topics and theoretical best practices, but we perceived a number of gaps in your ability to demonstrate application of those in a pragmatic manner in the situations we explored. For example, while you spoke of separation of concerns being important while factoring code, during the code review exercise you appeared to do the opposite instead of practicing what you were preaching.

There were also situations in which you chose to not rise to challenges that were presented that appeared to be outside your immediate comfort zone.

The "code review exercise" was a ten-line function and some questions about what's wrong and how I would change things. I don't remember any opportunities to talk about separating concerns. I don't even know what the second example is about.

Whatever. Just accepted the other offer. :yotj:

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

No Safe Word posted:

I'm so pissed that they hosed with the scoring so much after I took them (mine was on the 1600 point system), because this statement gives me a knee-jerk "uh, nice humblebrag?" reaction until I remember that the rescaling crap happened.
It's back to 1600 as of last year I think.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
I still remember the guy who put his SAT score on his resume, along with his final college GPA. I remember the exact score, because it was ten points higher than mine. :argh:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I wonder if I will ever apply to a job when I'm 40 that asks for my college GPA. That poo poo cannot be sustainable.

Eggnogium
Jun 1, 2010

Never give an inch! Hnnnghhhhhh!

Pollyanna posted:

I wonder if I will ever apply to a job when I'm 40 that asks for my college GPA. That poo poo cannot be sustainable.

I've never had a job explicitly ask for my GPA. Maybe when I applied for my summer internship? Can't remember back that far. I did have it on my resume until I had about 3-4 years of experience.

teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself

No Safe Word posted:

I'm so pissed that they hosed with the scoring so much after I took them (mine was on the 1600 point system), because this statement gives me a knee-jerk "uh, nice humblebrag?" reaction until I remember that the rescaling crap happened.

hahah yeah i was hesitant to post that because I didn't feel like explaining

Mniot
May 22, 2003
Not the one you know

CPColin posted:

Oh wow, I actually got a reply to my request for feedback:

Hey that's awesome!

One time I interviewed with this start-up and the CTO was like "we're really laid-back here. We'll see where the interview goes, and if it doesn't work out we'll tell you why and everything because we want everyone to be able to self-improve!" Which I thought sounded cool. They didn't hire me (probably because I don't know any Ruby or Coffescript which was their whole stack) so I replied to the CTO (this was all over GTalk) and asked if he had some time to tell me what I could have done better. He immediately blocked me.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Pollyanna posted:

I wonder if I will ever apply to a job when I'm 40 that asks for my college GPA. That poo poo cannot be sustainable.

Unlikely. By the time you have that much experience people might not even care if you have a degree. GPA only really matters if it's exceptional somehow and you graduated relatively recently. I still put mine down because I was summa cum laude and graduated less than two years ago.

I'll probably stop soon and just put down what degree I got and where. It won't be all that relevant much longer I imagine.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
I don't reveal my graduation year on my resume, let alone my GPA. No one's ever asked.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
GPA was good enough to graduate, assholes

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

fantastic in plastic posted:

I don't reveal my graduation year on my resume, let alone my GPA. No one's ever asked.

Yet the college I went to told everybody that their degree was most important. Put it at the top! Include your GPA! It's the most important thing ever!!!

Yeah nobody cares.

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


Graduating this semester, the only companies that asked about GPA were dinosaurs like IBM and crummy enterprise consulting. My GPA is fine, but it was telling seeing the types of companies that asked. Almost like a red flag.

I guess when you're selling people to write software, though, these little measures matter.

Smugworth fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jun 24, 2017

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Eggnogium posted:

I've never had a job explicitly ask for my GPA. Maybe when I applied for my summer internship? Can't remember back that far. I did have it on my resume until I had about 3-4 years of experience.

I had a few at the college career fairs, I didn't have my GPA on my resume and one company asked what it was, said something like: 'We only interview 3.25 or higher' and handed my resume back to me. Other would ask me and write it at the top of the copy I gave them.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Mniot posted:

Hey that's awesome!

One time I interviewed with this start-up and the CTO was like "we're really laid-back here. We'll see where the interview goes, and if it doesn't work out we'll tell you why and everything because we want everyone to be able to self-improve!" Which I thought sounded cool. They didn't hire me (probably because I don't know any Ruby or Coffescript which was their whole stack) so I replied to the CTO (this was all over GTalk) and asked if he had some time to tell me what I could have done better. He immediately blocked me.

So I just got a coding challenge from a company that's stack is Ruby/Coffescript/backbone.js and I'm wondering if it's the same company because that sounds familiar.

I'm currently dying with a coding challenge I got sent. I'm totally unfamiliar with backbone and just got started in Ruby so it's been a lot of trial/error. I keep telling myself it's a learning experience so I don't get too bummed by it

Mniot
May 22, 2003
Not the one you know

Shirec posted:

So I just got a coding challenge from a company that's stack is Ruby/Coffescript/backbone.js and I'm wondering if it's the same company because that sounds familiar.

I'm currently dying with a coding challenge I got sent. I'm totally unfamiliar with backbone and just got started in Ruby so it's been a lot of trial/error. I keep telling myself it's a learning experience so I don't get too bummed by it


I don't think it's an unusual stack. The company was CloudHealth Technologies, which is a service that gives you a less impenetrable AWS bill. Their interview was to give me a two open browser windows: a broken version of the site and a working version, and ask me to find the bug in the Coffeescript/Ruby code that generated the site. They did know in advance that I didn't know Ruby, CS, or JS. I think I did OK, but "debug this code" interviews are always grueling.

Vincent Valentine
Feb 28, 2006

Murdertime

I think I'd like that, honestly. Quality of code, standards, best practices, etc all go a long way to making debugging faster and easier. If they tell you to debug their code and you have a hard time making sense of it, you may not want to work there anyway.

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


I got murdered in a "debug this simple C code" interview. Like, I tripped up because it didn't accomplish anything, but mostly goofed on C-related issues for strcopy and remembering null terminators in C-strings. I explained that I wasn't a C guy and only used C++ for homework in my lower classes before we got into the debugging part, and he suggested that C++ was close enough. Hm. No big whoop, it was actually a good, thorough interview, just not the right position for me.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

My CV has 'Degree: 2:2 in Modern History' at the end of it (for non-Brit-people this is a fairly crappy degree, not like complete bottom of the class but not great either). I figure the 20 years' worth of actually-doing-stuff experience that comes before it makes it rather unnecessary, and I don't think it's ever actually been a problem for me :shobon:

Plus, y'know, history. I don't think my deep knowledge of the Taifa Kingdom period of Al-Andalus is going to help you guys much.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006

Shirec posted:

So I just got a coding challenge from a company that's stack is Ruby/Coffescript/backbone.js and I'm wondering if it's the same company because that sounds familiar.

I'm currently dying with a coding challenge I got sent. I'm totally unfamiliar with backbone and just got started in Ruby so it's been a lot of trial/error. I keep telling myself it's a learning experience so I don't get too bummed by it

I have to wonder why you were invited to a code challenge where you didn't know the languages and then got bummed because of that? I'd say it's on them, not you.

Tres Burritos
Sep 3, 2009

I got that one time,

"Tell me what this C code does"

C wasn't anywhere on my resume.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
I once interviewed for a role that was billed as exclusively backend engineering. Last technical interview of the day opens with "Let's talk about CSS".

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Tres Burritos posted:

I got that one time,

"Tell me what this C code does"

C wasn't anywhere on my resume.

"Sorry, that's the only test we have"

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life

fantastic in plastic posted:

I once interviewed for a role that was billed as exclusively backend engineering. Last technical interview of the day opens with "Let's talk about CSS".

"Let's not."

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Mr. Crow posted:

"Let's not."

"Sure, it's a content file same as any other you'll probably want to make sure you got E-Tags set up for it. Any thing else?"

teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself
Todays the day where i go from casual applying to vomiting resumes.

God this job loving sucks. Below average pay, manual qa testing basically all day, and only about 4 1/2 hours of real work.

6 months ago i had serious imposter syndrome and now thanks to all the down time i have at work, i've gotten to be a pretty decent javascript/react developer. Is it bad that i've been at this job for 7 months and i already think i'm over-experienced?

e: we have one back-end developer and he told me today he's making less than 100k and he's been here for 10 years.

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life
I mean depending where you live that's normal. Lol if you're in a tech hub

teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself
Eh. I wouldn't consider philadelphia to be a tech hub but it can't be far off

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Grump posted:

Eh. I wouldn't consider philadelphia to be a tech hub but it can't be far off

100k is not absurdly low for the Philly area in my experience.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Philly's tech market is garbage and 100k would be pretty good by its standards. You could get more working remote, but obviously that can be harder to come by.

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)
A friend of mine from Philly wound up upgrading his income by going freelance.

TheCog
Jul 30, 2012

I AM ZEPA AND I CLAIM THESE LANDS BY RIGHT OF CONQUEST
I wound up moving away from philly, because it was really hard to find anything entry level. Which is a shame, cause Philly is an awesome city.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

huhu posted:

I have to wonder why you were invited to a code challenge where you didn't know the languages and then got bummed because of that? I'd say it's on them, not you.

They asked me my experience and I was very honest about it, it seems like they don't care to customize the challenge. Also a nice special treat was the original tests were written in 2011 (it's on a github so I can see all the history), so the testing methods and some of the code itself is deprecated. Part of my time was reading older documentation so I could get it to work/write more tests on my own.

And haha, yes, I agree I shouldn't get bummed about it. I'm just starting my job search so I'm sure other tests will be better

Flaming June
Oct 21, 2004

triple sulk posted:

Philly's tech market is garbage and 100k would be pretty good by its standards. You could get more working remote, but obviously that can be harder to come by.

Philly really isn't that great outside of like Comcast and one or two other companies. Places like King of Prussia actually aren't bad, but lol King of Prussia.

Seeing a N3RD street sign this weekend and then having to explain to everyone what it meant was pretty funny.

Go to NYC/Boston/D.C. instead if you want to stay East Coast, or yeah, remote.

B-Nasty
May 25, 2005

I think I had a post in the Oldie thread to this effect, but Philly is largely about the burbs for decent work. Which, depending on your stage in life, can be a good thing or pure torture. That said, in many of the burb areas, 100-130K (for a senior) goes a pretty long way compared to other ultra-expensive tech hubs. Great schools and stuff, if again, you're at a stage in life where that matters.

teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself
yeah I'm still only a year and a half out of school, so money is basically everything right now.

But the problem is that I have to rely solely on public transportation, so a lot of my applications are going to be for Comcast jobs and small companies in town, pretty much. That being said, I'm really not looking for an absurd amount of money. I just want an average salary instead of working for a 20-30 person company who won't pay more than 50k for a developer with 5+ years of experience.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
I have to collect all sorts of documentation to satisfy the background check portion of this contingent job offer. Luckily for me, I live only one county away from the one where I was born, so it's only a half-hour drive to go get my birth certificate. It'll be tougher to figure out what box my high school diploma's in!

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)

Grump posted:

yeah I'm still only a year and a half out of school, so money is basically everything right now.

But the problem is that I have to rely solely on public transportation, so a lot of my applications are going to be for Comcast jobs and small companies in town, pretty much. That being said, I'm really not looking for an absurd amount of money. I just want an average salary instead of working for a 20-30 person company who won't pay more than 50k for a developer with 5+ years of experience.

You don't have a car? Get a car? Especially considering you're in a city where it's practically legal to park in the middle of the street. Drivable cars start at $3000. Rent a car? Use Uber? I mean seriously you have solutions to this non-problem.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Tres Burritos posted:

I got that one time,

"Tell me what this C code does"

C wasn't anywhere on my resume.

I got basically the same thing once only it was PHP. I had PHP exactly nowhere on my resume and had given no indication whatsoever that I knew PHP but was asked to write it on a timed code review.

Given what they were asking it was one of those "how the gently caress can any human do that in 30 minutes?" kinds of things. There was no way I could have done it in even a language I did know. I forget what the problem was beyond thinking "...the gently caress?"

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Keetron
Sep 26, 2008

Check out my enormous testicles in my TFLC log!

CPColin posted:

I have to collect all sorts of documentation to satisfy the background check portion of this contingent job offer. Luckily for me, I live only one county away from the one where I was born, so it's only a half-hour drive to go get my birth certificate. It'll be tougher to figure out what box my high school diploma's in!

Sorry, you need to give them your birth certificate exactly why?

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