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etalian posted:Oblivion Character look-a-like for president! friend, i will NOt be voting for bill mitchell
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anime was right posted:thats probably a super paranoid take but i mean... them dishonestly opposing singlepayer like this at least makes it obvious they care about being a part of the dem establishment more than they care about access to healthcare for women.
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Remember when everyone poo poo on Bernie for saying that PP was establishment?
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Condiv posted:them dishonestly opposing singlepayer like this at least makes it obvious they care about being a part of the dem establishment more than they care about access to healthcare for women. iron law of institutions strikes again
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i still laugh at that infographic someone at PP's PAC whipped up that essentially boiled down to "Bernie: Sponsored some poo poo, we guess; Hillary: *detailed listing of any PP-related thing she even so much as looked at*"
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Willa Rogers posted:there are a few things in play here: the CO single-payer initiative was held the same time as the presidential election, and CO elected dems + "progressive" groups circled the wagon against the initiative; PP throws itself in with bad dems all the time, hence its endorsement of clinton in the primaries; bad dems love themselves some agenda-setting when it serves their needs; and like someone pointed out, with a full-out single-payer system PP would lose its relevance, especially when it comes to the vast majority of its services (hint: not abortions).
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I'm pretty sure Hillary has planned some parenthoods, that's for sure.
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Jun 25, 2017 23:45
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sun-blazing take: support single payer but also making PP a government institution with additional funding
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Like I made it a point to separate PP from it's PAC in that case but supporting CA's single-payer bill being killed is just lovely as gently caress
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anime was right posted:sun-blazing take: support single payer but also making PP a government institution with additional funding that's two things. we're a one thing party. the one thing is losing
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https://twitter.com/PPact/status/878806170533810176 disgusting. if these assholes are so worried about premiums they wouldn't be supporting keeping them high in california if they're so concerned about women having good access to healthcare, they'd be clamoring for the singlepayer bill to be given a chance
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Joementum posted:iron law of institutions strikes again I just googled this phrase to figure out who came up with it (having seen it from Freddie DeBoer). Check out the first result, from RationalWiki: quote:One problem with the "law" is that it sounds good and makes sense of the world for people, but it's pretty much not falsifiable. lol
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instead of threatening planned parenthoods survival instead empower them to be the stopgap where the government may fall short and give them additional government funding, but make it contingent on single payer passing. otherwise they can remain as-is. win-win
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Jun 25, 2017 23:50
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none of us are threatening their survival in fact it appears to be quite the opposite, which is hosed up
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anime was right posted:instead of threatening planned parenthoods survival instead empower them to be the stopgap where the government may fall short and give them additional government funding, but make it contingent on single payer passing. otherwise they can remain as-is.
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Yeah, I was under the impression that PP would likely receive more in funding via single-payer system.
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you would think the rational wiki people would like the iron law of institutions seeing as it's a restatement of Jerry Pournelle's iron law of bureaucracy which itself is just a stolen version of Michels iron law of oligopoly
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Ironstache of Institutions
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PP's primary endorsement is particularly galling bc prior to last year, they'd never made a dem primary endorsement, and chose to die on this particular Hill:  of course, they had absolutely nothing to say about Bob Casey holding a spot on Clinton's campaign committee, nor about her choosing Tim "Choose Life" Kaine as her veep.
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Subjunctivitis posted:Yeah, I was under the impression that PP would likely receive more in funding via single-payer system. it would but the people in charge of these organizations are all lawyers, doctors and other six figure professionals who are ideologically opposed to single payer healthcare see also: human rights watch scuttling the Colombian peace deal
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Willa Rogers posted:PP's primary endorsement is particularly galling bc prior to last year, they'd never made a dem primary endorsement, and chose to die on this particular Hill: ya im just genuinely trying to figure out why they're doing this stuff, its weird
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Jun 25, 2017 23:58
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Hillary: "Abortion is icky, but let's keep it safe and rare." Bernie: "Abortion is a human right."
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Jun 25, 2017 23:58
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you will all be shocked to learn that PP gave $740k to Ossoff's campaign
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Jun 25, 2017 23:59
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anime was right posted:ya im just genuinely trying to figure out why they're doing this stuff, its weird Because like all 501(c)(3) organizations, they're a scummy slush fund?
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Willa Rogers posted:Hillary: "Abortion is icky, but let's keep it safe and rare." Have you seen what they do with their food?
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Too many old and rusty iron laws. We need metaphorical steel laws, aluminum laws, titanium laws and nylon laws.
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rudatron posted:Too many old and rusty iron laws. We need metaphorical steel laws, aluminum laws, titanium laws and nylon laws. carbon nanotube laws to elevate us all the way to space
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lol, cecile richards' daughter worked for tim kaine, then for the clinton campaign.
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Joementum posted:you would think the rational wiki people would like the iron law of institutions seeing as it's a restatement of Jerry Pournelle's iron law of bureaucracy which itself is just a stolen version of Michels iron law of oligopoly I new about the second but not the third
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"being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion"
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Zoran posted:carbon nanotube laws to elevate us all the way to space
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https://twitter.com/RoseAnnDeMoro/status/879012378108510208 from that article, apparently rendon sees singlepayer as a 2018 ballot issue gently caress him and gently caress that. he has the votes for singlepayer now and instead he wants to dangle it in front of voters so he can get more votes. then he'll block it again anyway i loving hate the democrats so much right now
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Joementum posted:you will all be shocked to learn that PP gave $740k to Ossoff's campaign Bad dem organizations are pretty bipolar, going after Bernie but then giving actual money to guy who is pro-choice.
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etalian posted:Bad dem organizations are pretty bipolar, going after Bernie but then giving actual money to guy who is pro-choice. Ossoff is pro-choice?
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Lessail posted:"being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion"
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anime was right posted:uh i just realized, maybe this is why PP, despite having a 100% record for both bernie and hillary, endorsed hillary so brazenly the reason why planned parenthood endorsed hillary is that going against hillary would have gotten you put on the enemies spreadsheet
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Horseshoe theory posted:Ossoff is pro-choice? he was, but in a genius move to appeal to romney voters buried it on his website and never talked about it or any other issue
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Shear Modulus posted:he was, but in a genius move to appeal to romney voters buried it on his website and never talked about it or any other issue why didn't the voters understand how badly we needed to come together and cut government services
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