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Reminder - George Chistensen crossed the floor too and nobody is calling on him to be expelled from the party. This is a storm in a teacup and buying into everyone slagging off the greens for not having perfect party unity is buying the right wing media narrative. Renew your membership, support the greens, don't listen to the poo poo media.
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hooman posted:Reminder - George Chistensen crossed the floor too and nobody is calling on him to be expelled from the party You reckon? Because knowing the hissing spitting fuckmongers that make up the Liberal/National party room, I'd say that's absolute bs, but it doesn't fit the editorial narrative of the News/Fairfax/7West media juggernaut quite so well (in fact they lionised him for crossing the floor, also they wish they could get away with saying the poo poo he says).
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Lid posted:Now if you're going to argue it wasn't her decision, that you bound her and Lee is a poor puppet being bound by her party because of the NSW rules (written in because the NSW Greens always wanted to be a special snowflake compared to literally oevery other state, this constitution isn't normalised) then maybe she should've said at some point "hey guys the state bound me" but she didn't, nor did you tell the party you had bound her. This was all done behind closed doors and to cause as much silent problems as possible. Stop trying to play the moral idealistic high ground here, you're bullshitting your rear end off because you feel righteousness in your union, but to argue your hands are clean and "everything we did we were allowed to but we did it in such a way to follow the Greens line of not showing outward disunity" is such bollocks and university socialist alternative dogma that its dumb as balls. Not to mention everytime you keep saying "they need us more than we need them" just reinforces good, leave, nothing is stopping you. I don't know what actually happened, but if we assume that the party did bind her then isn't it quite a good thing that she didn't go against their wishes? Preferable to a situation where the elected representative can do whatever they want with no input from the party anyway?
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Jun 26, 2017 04:14
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Australian Labour Party. Comrade
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Jun 26, 2017 04:15
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open24hours posted:I don't know what actually happened, but if we assume that the party did bind her then isn't it quite a good thing that she didn't go against their wishes? Preferable to a situation where the elected representative can do whatever they want with no input from the party anyway? It's fine if they want to argue they bound her, it's not fine that her (nor they) didn't tell anyone else about it. It's also a bit of a weaker argument and politicking as from all indications she was never going to support it, and the binding was a formality.
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I'm fairly sure you're just lying out your rear end in any way that it might poo poo on NSW and leftism considering I'm fairly certain I saw the Greens being divided on this literally months ago on the ABC of all places. left renewal socialist alternative communist trotskyists in my green party you'd almost think there was a better party for you (hint: it's lead by pauline hanson) hooman posted:Renew your membership, support the greens, don't listen to the poo poo media. Counterpoint: NSW is literally a party of rapists
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Jun 26, 2017 04:22
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Recoome posted:Looks like a bunch of very brave alt-righters put some posters up on my campus with that very annoying poster glue in the last day or so use a paint scraper or something with a flat edge to shove the glue off, worked for me when i had araldite drops stuck on the floor
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Jun 26, 2017 04:27
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Any party that lets career politicians into positions of power is poo poo.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:28
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Yeah if thats the case then I'm pretty annoyed that it was some sekrit squirrel poo poo instead of being fair and open. Like what the gently caress NSW e: I'm not really being that serious about NSW I mean QLD is amazingly poo poo rn hahahahaha
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Jun 26, 2017 04:37
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Let's all join Salt.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:39
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Anidav posted:Let's all join Salt. Maybe they'll change from withi-
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Jun 26, 2017 04:49
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Seriously let's raise the red flag and leave the old parties behind.
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Jun 26, 2017 04:59
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Make the new party's name Australian liberal Party (ALP) and watch the votes roll in from all sides of politics.
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Gentleman Baller posted:It took 15 years for the Japanese housing market to return to mean. Prices fell a bit faster at the start but overall it was pretty steady. That's the only one I know of though, and I'm not sure why it was so unlike a normal bubble. Looking at the graphs, Japanese land did fall back to the mean in the same amount of time it went up - which I guess is what a deflating rather than bursting bubble is. But the way people talk about the Australian bubble, the new line is that it will plateau - in which case I guess things are meant to level out in the future once wages and inflation catch up? - or that it will fall by "at most 10 or 15%" but as anybody can tell you just by looking at a graph, even if median prices drop by 10-15% they will still be insanely out of whack with wages, historical prices, or any other reasonable measure. The discourse has acknowledged the bubble, or at least acknowledged that housing has become unaffordable, but very few people are saying (yet) that it will drop back down by the same amount it skyrocketed. I suppose it's plausible that we really are seeing a "new normal" and that median house prices will now forever be 10x the median annual salary; that rather than a typical asset bubble, it's an unprecedented redistribution of wealth caused by an unprecedentedly large and prosperous generation. But that's a far bleaker proposition than the bubble actually crashing, even if it plunges us into recession for a decade. edit - also, are there any good graphs showing historical Australian house prices which actually go up to the present day? All the ones that I can find on Google Image seem to cut off around 2010 or 2011, which leaves out the last six years of even more insane growth.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:03
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They're trying to get the last dregs out of it that they can, so prices are either about to skyrocket or they already have and we're about to crash. The, 'it's alright, it'll naturally decline/plateau line" is used so that small property investors don't get scared and pull out before the large ones can pump it up enough to profit from bursting it.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:07
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Jun 26, 2017 05:08
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Anidav posted:Let's all join Salt. I thought we were admonishing organisations full of rapey dudes.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:10
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Oh good, I thought the Salties had a similar problem, but thought I was just thinking of the SWP in Britain. Good to know lots of parties are poo poo.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:13
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We are doing some market research at the moment, went to an auction on the weekend. Agent quoted 780-820. Started auction with a vendor bid for 850. Got zero bids, went inside for further instructions, came back out, got a single last second bid for 860. Found out they negotiated to 990. 
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Jun 26, 2017 05:14
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I have the perfect solution to the political problem. Lets make an AI to run everything. If we take people out of the equation then it must be good. It can be the 'techno party'
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Jun 26, 2017 05:20
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Solemn Sloth posted:We are doing some market research at the moment, went to an auction on the weekend. IMO the only solution that will avoid heartbreak is to nationalise the banks and money lenders, reduce all mortgages to a percentage of the income of those who hold them, and tell the whiners to gently caress off the US if they want to live in a free market Trumpocalypse. Hop to it gang!
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Jun 26, 2017 05:22
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Bogan King posted:I have the perfect solution to the political problem. Lets make an AI to run everything. If we take people out of the equation then it must be good. It can be the 'techno party' http://www.scienceparty.org.au/_turing_a_new_charter_city_for_australia
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Bogan King posted:I have the perfect solution to the political problem. Lets make AI run everything. 
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Bogan King posted:I have the perfect solution to the political problem. Lets make an AI to run everything. If we take people out of the equation then it must be good. It can be the 'techno party' Meow Ludo Disco Gamma Meow Meow has already beat you to it.
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Jun 26, 2017 05:34
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Solemn Sloth posted:We are doing some market research at the moment, went to an auction on the weekend. lmao what lovely negotiators
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Solemn Sloth posted:We are doing some market research at the moment, went to an auction on the weekend. Why wouldn't you walk away and wait for a call with the real price. Holy poo poo.
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JBP posted:Why wouldn't you walk away and wait for a call with the real price. Holy poo poo. 
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Jun 26, 2017 05:47
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Such bullshit they quote it at 790 and don't even start it there
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Recoome posted:Yeah if thats the case then I'm pretty annoyed that it was some sekrit squirrel poo poo instead of being fair and open. whoa whoa what did qld do now?
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JBP posted:Why wouldn't you walk away and wait for a call with the real price. Holy poo poo. Probably wealthy foreign nationals taking advantage of our lovely dollar value as per the rest?
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At present we're in this sort of weird equilibrium position where the RBA can't raise interest rates because the economy and wages are underperforming but it can't raise rates (by say .5%) because the housing market will tank. While this dynamic is in place cheap credit will keep house prices high, but at some point external factors will tank the markets while the RBA sits on its hands. Unfortunately the inevitable shock event could be a while away.
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It's not really the RBA sitting on it's hands though. They're just caught between a rock and a hard place. The government should be pulling all sorts of other levers and they aren't so everything distorts and sucks.
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Bogan King posted:It's not really the RBA sitting on it's hands though. They're just caught between a rock and a hard place. The government should be pulling all sorts of other levers and they aren't so everything distorts and sucks. pull the negative gearing lever right out of the loving ground
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Birdstrike posted:Unfortunately the inevitable shock event could be a while away. lovely thing is, either young people who bought in the outskirts will suffer as they wind up owing more than their property is worth, or young people who didn't buy because they can't afford to and are stuck in a rent trap will suffer. The Boomers will just find a way to wriggle out of it, even if that just means dying and leaving us all with a shitload of extra debt.
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Don Dongington posted:Probably wealthy foreign nationals taking advantage of our lovely dollar value as per the rest? My word this is racist.
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JBP posted:My word this is racist. um no. It's a significant contributor to the runway housing crisis in NSW and Vic and pretending it isn't for the sake of whatever ideological purity crusade you're on is pretty stupid IMO Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Don Dongington posted:um no. It was a joke at the expense of people that claim the hang seng bank is a person you can discriminate against hermano.
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JBP posted:It was a joke at the expense of people that claim the hang seng bank is a person you can discriminate against hermano. Too obscure for me then, hombre. Also remember this is D&D, and ideological oneupmanship is like the official sport round here, albeit less so in this thread than most.
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Don Dongington posted:Too obscure for me then, hombre. Yeah that is also the joke. I went looking at apartments across the road from where I live and there were very few single units sold, but entire floors were blacked out. The answer as to why this was from the agent "Chinese investors bought these floors when the building was announced". They only bought in the cheaper bottom 10 floors. So yeah, happily dumping $30m+ on apartments to jam oversead students into at highly inflated prices.
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