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One of the top players in our area is, almost certainly coincidentally, also selling most of his stuff, taking a break from WMH and playing Magic. I had a good chat with him weekend before last and although he said that SR2017 didn't sit well with him and he wasn't thrilled with CID, the main thing seemed to be that after several years of being constantly prepping WMH at a high level, travelling to events, and playing more games than I can really get my head around, he's just ready to Not Do That for a while. For high-level competitive players, I suspect that's probably inevitable. There's things I'm not in love with about the game as it stands from the scrub tier, but I still want to play and taken as a whole the scene around here appears as stable as ever. And if you hate SR2017, there's no real reason why you couldn't, say, just keep playing SR2016.
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The Bee posted:I mean, when a game's advertising seems to heavily revolve around its competitive nature, it seems understandable that people are going to more aware of the opinions of competitive players. Yeah, but it's a pretty standard mistake to think it's any more valuable to the average player. I think there are zero people here who play anywhere near on that level, so why does what matters at the top level even affect us? I think a decent amount of this is just funk from the top end having their game changed/ruined, followed by the rounds of complaining, are just dragging down the average game for the average guy a lot more than it should.
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Jun 26, 2017 17:53
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Steamroller is effectively part of the rule set for a lot of people, and as with every other ruleset change, the cost of continuing to use last years rules makes it an unviable option for many/most people. For instance, if you're primarily a competitive player, there's really no way to avoid SR2017.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:00
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rkajdi posted:Yeah, but it's a pretty standard mistake to think it's any more valuable to the average player. I think there are zero people here who play anywhere near on that level, so why does what matters at the top level even affect us? I think a decent amount of this is just funk from the top end having their game changed/ruined, followed by the rounds of complaining, are just dragging down the average game for the average guy a lot more than it should. I guess to a degree, it could be seen as a bad omen. Like, if someone with way more investment and success in a game drops out, it makes people wonder if their own investment is going to hold up enough.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:01
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That happens every day though in everything. If a football pro says they're done do we all abandon that sport? Its a bit apples to oranges but the average joe doesn't play nfl. Sometimes people get good or get lucky then get known. When they drop doesn't mean my preferred games is any different.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:04
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For_Great_Justice posted:Whoever that is has no bearing on the average player. Not seeing why the sky would be falling. Seems silly. But when lifecoach left hearthstone for Gwent Stefani it was ruined forever!
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Jun 26, 2017 18:39
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Post CID battle engine appear to be up on the card website.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:42
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The Bee posted:I guess to a degree, it could be seen as a bad omen. Like, if someone with way more investment and success in a game drops out, it makes people wonder if their own investment is going to hold up enough. Having dealt with the derangement of mtg second hand market for most of my life I'm going to take issue with the word investment being thrown around for a game where selling back things at a massive loss is the norm.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:42
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Having dealt with the derangement of mtg second hand market for most of my life I'm going to take issue with the word investment being thrown around for a game where selling back things at a massive loss is the norm. Okay, that's a really good point. I was thinking time and emotional investment, but that's probably the wrong word considering what you said.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:45
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Having dealt with the derangement of mtg second hand market for most of my life I'm going to take issue with the word investment being thrown around for a game where selling back things at a massive loss is the norm. The bigger issue is that there is a generally negative atmosphere around WMH and Tom Guan leaving may, or may not, be symptomatic of the negativity. I think the best approach going forward is to acknowledge that PP has made controversial changes that many people don't like and then trying to help those people maintain enjoyment of the game. Ignoring or trying to denigrate the negativity will only force those people further away.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:50
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Gwent Stefani 
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Jun 26, 2017 18:55
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Looks like they're going to make theme lists available for free a month after release on the website, which is a nice change.
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Jun 26, 2017 19:11
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Its almost like CID is an attempt to get positive player involvement an actual feed back from the wide pool of players rather than the top few. An then they get negged for it. People quit games. PP had a poo poo start with mk3 an they are adjusting. It takes time. Hell I am willing to best mk1 into mk2 people threw fits an quit too.
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Jun 26, 2017 19:18
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Forzelt posted:The bigger issue is that there is a generally negative atmosphere around WMH and Tom Guan leaving may, or may not, be symptomatic of the negativity. I think the best approach going forward is to acknowledge that PP has made controversial changes that many people don't like and then trying to help those people maintain enjoyment of the game. Ignoring or trying to denigrate the negativity will only force those people further away. Ok but why are we playing a dead game though?
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Jun 26, 2017 19:25
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People can have perfectly good reasons for quitting, it's not automatically 'throwing a fit.' The game changed a lot from MK2 to MK3, and it's going to be changing a lot again with the move to SR2017. People are going to leave, and just because they leave doesn't mean we should ignore their opinions. Particularly because I suspect a lot of people right now are heading to Warhammer 8th and will probably be looping back around in a year or so.
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Jun 26, 2017 19:25
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Having dealt with the derangement of mtg second hand market for most of my life I'm going to take issue with the word investment being thrown around for a game where selling back things at a massive loss is the norm. I dunno, it's closer to "investment" than MTG is. If you play standard, you're dropping a hefty chunk of change every 3-6 months to keep up, with no guarantee that those same cards will be viable in eternal formats. Unless you hit that sweet spot right before they rotate out of standard, your cards go from "hot" to "a few dollars unless someone breaks it in Modern". Even draft is 50+ a month if you go to every FNM. And if you play eternal formats, the buy-in is huge unless you're going with something like RDW, and any new cards that are eternal viable are going to command high prices. With tabletop games, I at least know I can play everything in the "main" format from when I buy it until the company finally folds and interest dies. Sure, if I get out before that endpoint I'll end up selling for much less than I paid, but I don't see it as too much different from MTG in getting out, and more importantly it's a smaller investment over time (for me, at least).
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Jun 26, 2017 20:03
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Alpha Phoenix posted:Ok but why are we playing a dead game though? Because we're all table top gamers. Dead games are basically our versions of fedoras and scarfs.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:16
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There's more to Tabletop at least, because even if it's a dead game you can still get some enjoyment from the modelling aspect (if you're one of those people).
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Jun 26, 2017 20:18
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Pyrolocutus posted:With tabletop games, I at least know I can play everything in the "main" format from when I buy it until the company finally folds and interest dies. Sure, if I get out before that endpoint I'll end up selling for much less than I paid, but I don't see it as too much different from MTG in getting out, That and we get all our fancy toys when were done too, with the painting personalization. Better deal that cardboard scraps.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:23
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Alpha Phoenix posted:Ok but why are we playing a dead game though? Is all it takes for a game to be dead now is some top end player to quit? If that was true, everything's been dying forever. 40K 8th is probably doing a bit to syphon off some players, but I doubt that it will stay that way forever. I rather enjoy playing beer & pretzels 40K, but it has zero real depth to it, same as AoS. It's not a real criticism, but these games are operating in very different places in the tabletop gaming arena. I rather like that Warmachine is a think man's game, same as I like it with WFB back in the day. 40K has interesting background stuff and figures, but doesn't actually do much to scratch that itch.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:43
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Alpha Phoenix posted:Ok but why are we playing a dead game though? Lol
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Jun 26, 2017 20:49
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Downloaded the update for War Room and it's now completely unusable. Game is ded. RIP.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:50
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counterspin posted:Post CID battle engine appear to be up on the card website. And in warroom. Time to start playing warmachine again! Holy poo poo they gave the siege crawler a 1 point discount and it can remove stealth what trhe gently caress hahahaha Pyrolocutus posted:I dunno, it's closer to "investment" than MTG is. If you play standard, you're dropping a hefty chunk of change every 3-6 months to keep up, with no guarantee that those same cards will be viable in eternal formats. Unless you hit that sweet spot right before they rotate out of standard, your cards go from "hot" to "a few dollars unless someone breaks it in Modern". Even draft is 50+ a month if you go to every FNM. And if you play eternal formats, the buy-in is huge unless you're going with something like RDW, and any new cards that are eternal viable are going to command high prices. It's a matter of perception and attitude. And the people I hung around with didn't play standard. But for example in the draft limited format people will talk about how much money they opened in the packs when its only worth that much in other cardboard
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It's not really a surprise he's dropping the game if he's gonna do Magic professionally. You wouldn't have time for another game. Dunno if that part's actually accurate or not yet, of course. Besides, sooner or later, a lot of the tournament personalities for any given game are going to have to drop off unless they just never want to change their lives or have a family or whatever.
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All of the CID stuff making it through unscathed has given me some hope for Dark Host. Was expecting it to be destroyed in internal playtesting. Edit: just saw Necrosurgeons lost vet leader. Boo. lokipunk fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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lokipunk posted:All of the CID stuff making it through unscathed has given me some hope for Dark Host. Was expecting it to be destroyed in internal playtesting. But they can return stitch Thralls (and carrion/bile Thralls), so now your opponent has to wipe out the unit or you can get your corpse nodes back.
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CaptCommy posted:But they can return stitch Thralls (and carrion/bile Thralls), so now your opponent has to wipe out the unit or you can get your corpse nodes back. I had not caught that yet. This is pretty good.
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I had recently gotten into cryx then had to set everything down. This is fantastic.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:39
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The AFG and Defenders changes made it through maybe WMH isn't a lost cause after all.
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https://conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0D7e0r0r6G6G6R0k6t7r0909hU Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Kriel Company (CID) !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Grissel 2) Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels [+27] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] Scattergunners (max) [14] - Scattergunner Officer & Standard [4] Trollkin Sluggers (max) [10] Trollkin Sluggers (max) [10] Trollkin War Wagon [16] I wouldn't want to play this into serious jack spam, but this has got serious assassination potential, and can probably reliably shoot 1-2 heavies off the table per turn. Wish I could fit in the Runebearer, but I feel like the whelps are super important since Bombers are so fury starved.
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The rhulic siege crawler has the new reinforcements rule but still only 24 hit points in war room, in guessing this is usual war room fuckery and not a last minute CID change? (Please!)
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!Klams posted:The rhulic siege crawler has the new reinforcements rule but still only 24 hit points in war room, in guessing this is usual war room fuckery and not a last minute CID change? (Please!) It has 40 in my war room. Make sure you get the app store update or WR can't show the correct box count.
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okay i guess i'm playing Harbinger Double Bastions Double Vessel on Thursday. Can't decide if a free Bastion Seneschal is worth playing in the Exemplar Tier since I'd lose the Hierophant, but I'd have to swap the Crusader for a Dervish to get the Hierophant's points. https://conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0E151U1r1LcY3t3t3t2q2qi8i8 Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Exemplar Interdiction (Harbinger 1) The Harbinger of Menoth [+24] - Crusader [10] - Devout [9] - Vigilant [9] Exemplar Bastion Seneschal [0(6)] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Exemplar Bastions (max) [16] Exemplar Bastions (max) [16] Vessel of Judgment (CID) [18] Vessel of Judgment (CID) [18]
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I'm also seeing the old HP totals, I just figured they didn't know how to show that many boxes outside of a grid. Glad it's working for someone.
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Jun 27, 2017 14:20
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Go to the App Store and update war room from there. It'll fix the issue.
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Jun 27, 2017 14:32
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Except that for some people the updates loving up their warroom and making them reinstall it to get it to work.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:47
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What fixed it for me was restarting my device.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:05
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Does anyone know of a rundown on the delta between the last round of playtesting and what got officially released?
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counterspin posted:What fixed it for me was restarting my device. For me installing the update from the app store didn't change it, but I realised I was looking at an army I'd built a while back, removing the battle engine and re adding it fixed it. I guess it was still showing me the old card because that's what I'd added to the army.
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Amid all the negativity and chicken little game is ending posting, I'd just like to point out I am really happy about the siege animantarax becoming armor 20. That is all.
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