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A Strange Aeon posted:What were the deals with the various goblins? In the time period where both Norman Osborn and Harry Osborn were supposed to be dead a random dude found one of Norman's goblin equipment stashes. This dude told a friend who murdered that dude and began to use that equipment for himself as the Hobgoblin. His true identity was supposed to be a Big Mystery but it got dragged on way too long and the writer left the book before revealing he intended it to be Ned Leeds. So meanwhile they had Ned Leeds get killed off in a random side event in a manner totally unfitting for someone who drank goblin serum and has superpowers. Then they waved their hands and said 'yes it's Ned Leeds anyway and he died like that because *mumble mumble* glad that's cleared up moving on please buy more comics'
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Yeah, that's the first Hobgoblin. The second Hobgoblin was Jason Macendale, who was originally the supervillain Jack o' Lantern. Later he sold his soul to a demon in exchange for real demonic power instead of just stolen Osborn tech. This was achieved by actually grafting a demon onto his soul. Later, this demon was expelled from him by Doctor Strange but retained the goblin motif as Demogoblin.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Archie just wants to run a train on Veronica Them why would he want the other guy to leave.
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a kitten posted:Not sure if funny or just rad, but it sure is Kirby.  as all gently caressBenito Cereno posted:Yeah, that's the first Hobgoblin. The second Hobgoblin was Jason Macendale, who was originally the supervillain Jack o' Lantern. Later he sold his soul to a demon in exchange for real demonic power instead of just stolen Osborn tech. This was achieved by actually grafting a demon onto his soul. Later, this demon was expelled from him by Doctor Strange but retained the goblin motif as Demogoblin.
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Osborne was a business man, he knew a market opportunity when he saw one.
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Demogoblin tore himself free of Jason Macendale's body. In Web of Spider-Man 86 or so. Doctor Strange was not in that issue.
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Gavok posted:So for those keeping track... Superman: Noted fan of Metallica
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You guys are getting your Hobgoblin lore super wrong. It was always supposed to be Roderick Kingsley, but Roger Stern left before he could reveal it. Then Tom Defalco took over and thought Stern's way to explain Roderick in the same room as Hobgoblin (twin brother Daniel Kingsley) was kind of BS, so he decided it should be Richard Fisk instead. But DeFalco wanted to prolong the mystery as long as possible, and threw up clue after clue that it could be someone else. Unfortunately when conflict with the new Spider-man editor, James Owsley, came up, Peter David was instructed to do the reveal in his book, Spectacular, basically to spite DeFalco? The editor wanted Hobgoblin to be Foreigner, but Peter David was like "All the clues point to Ned Leeds, the reveal needs to make sense or the readers will be pissed." Then Owsley was like "Well I know that, and I killed him off in a one-shot on purpose because I'm a giant baby who hates Tom DeFalco". So Peter David threw up his hands and revealed that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin and dead, and came up with the whole Jason Macendale thing. Comic books are really stupid. E: Funny Panel. 
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Lurdiak posted:You guys are getting your Hobgoblin lore super wrong. It was always supposed to be Roderick Kingsley, but Roger Stern left before he could reveal it. Then Tom Defalco took over and thought Stern's way to explain Roderick in the same room as Hobgoblin (twin brother Daniel Kingsley) was kind of BS, so he decided it should be Richard Fisk instead. But DeFalco wanted to prolong the mystery as long as possible, and threw up clue after clue that it could be someone else. Unfortunately when conflict with the new Spider-man editor, James Owsley, came up, Peter David was instructed to do the reveal in his book, Spectacular, basically to spite DeFalco? The editor wanted Hobgoblin to be Foreigner, but Peter David was like "All the clues point to Ned Leeds, the reveal needs to make sense or the readers will be pissed." Then Owsley was like "Well I know that, and I killed him off in a one-shot on purpose because I'm a giant baby who hates Tom DeFalco". So Peter David threw up his hands and revealed that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin and dead, and came up with the whole Jason Macendale thing. And then later Roger Stern came back and wrote a miniseries where he revealed that Roderick Kingsley was the original Hobgoblin and he brainwashed Ned Leeds to take the fall for him Really, really stupid
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Spider-Mann 25  Spider-man 28  Spider-Man 30 
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Addendum: James Owsley is the same person as Christopher Priest, which I did not realize before. Priest is not known for being a giant baby so it makes me wonder if there's more to the story.
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CzarChasm posted:Superman: Noted fan of Metallica And his favorite is "And Justice For All" though even he can't hear a bassline.
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Lurdiak posted:Addendum: James Owsley is the same person as Christopher Priest, which I did not realize before. Priest is not known for being a giant baby so it makes me wonder if there's more to the story. I'm pretty sure that it had something to do with the fact that Owsley/Priest was, what, 24-25 at the time and trying to ride herd on guys who had a lot more experience than him, and by his own admission had no idea what the gently caress he was doing or how to handle Marvel office politics.
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Priest is a incredible writer as well. He's a baptist minister and a progressive Christian. He's very cool.
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Lurdiak posted:Addendum: James Owsley is the same person as Christopher Priest, which I did not realize before. Priest is not known for being a giant baby so it makes me wonder if there's more to the story. James isn't even his original name unless the stories he and Jim Shooter tell are bullcrap.
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Zeeman posted:And then later Roger Stern came back and wrote a miniseries where he revealed that Roderick Kingsley was the original Hobgoblin and he brainwashed Ned Leeds to take the fall for him Called Hobgoblin lives and it's basically Roger masterbating to how cool Hobgoblin is.
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Inter-office politics in comics is so weird. I just read "Doctor Doom and Doctor Strange: Triumph and Torment", which is great, and it also includes a Doctor Strange comic by Roger Stern where he reveals that a couple of X-Men characters don't really have magic powers because they were possessed by an evil wand, and it was apparently because he was annoyed that Claremont had written an X-Men comic where one of the characters totally punked Doctor Strange, so he decided to justify it that way and depower them. Then it turns out every X-Men writer completely ignored that story and kept the characters around as magic people.
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Zeeman posted:And then later Roger Stern came back and wrote a miniseries where he revealed that Roderick Kingsley was the original Hobgoblin and he brainwashed Ned Leeds to take the fall for him But it led to Hobgoblin having the gimmick that he'd get other guys to stand in and become Hobgoblin for him whenever he needed to take a fall. Which was sort of novel. And they expanded that to Hobgoblin being the business man who sold Supervillain brands to up and coming guys. ("Hey the Scorcher is currently dead. For a fee, I'll give you his costume and his IP.) It also setup Hobgoblin's Sixis mini series where upon being inverted the Hobgoblin realises that selling villain IP's makes you bucks. But selling Hero IP's can make you big bucks. And it was great.
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Axis was a wonderful event just for the Hobgoblin and Carnage minis that spawned from it. (From AXIS: Hobgoblin #2) SilverSupernova fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Disco just doesn't get any respect anymore. Hulk will straight up murder you if you play it.
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Jesus gently caress that's terrifying. A single layer of asphalt with no aggregate base? 
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Jesus gently caress that's terrifying. A single layer of asphalt with no aggregate base? So I see you've never been to Chicago.
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X-O posted:And his favorite is "And Justice For All" though even he can't hear a bassline. He only likes it because of the name. He, otherwise, has no idea about any of it.
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Johnny Aztec posted:He only likes it because of the name. He, otherwise, has no idea about any of it. Eh, I figure anything part of the 1994 run of Superboy ought to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Push El Burrito posted:Disco just doesn't get any respect anymore.
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Pierson posted:sweet jesus hulk those men are dead! you crushed their lungs and organs for fruit pies! False. Hulk has never killed anyone. He clearly rolled the concrete just enough to trap them but not kill them.
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"Hey Marvel guys it's great you're doing our Fruit Pie ads but the bosses always want you to plug our Ho-Hos." "Can we make it subliminal?" "Sure as long as it's eye-catching and looks like the product."
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mind the walrus posted:"Hey Marvel guys it's great you're doing our Fruit Pie ads but the bosses always want you to plug our Ho-Hos." You're thinking of Swiss Cake Rolls.
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Who What Now posted:You're thinking of Swiss Cake Rolls.
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After this, let's argue about Hydrox and Oreos.
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prefect posted:After this, let's argue about Hydrox and Oreos. Hail Hydrox?
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Hydrox always sounded like a detergent.
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Hydrox gets rid of tough stains, fast. Do not eat Hydrox.
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How in this thread is the answer not Chocos?
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ImpAtom posted:How in this thread is the answer not Chocos? Because we're not drug dealers, jeez
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CzarChasm posted:Superman: Noted fan of Metallica Well, he IS The Man of Steel...
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Did Blue Superman prefer Ride The Lightning
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Shortly after Real Superman came back I remember him comparing some CD of Jimmy's to Shriekback. Now, I love Shriekback, but c'mon dude you have a mullet
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CzarChasm posted:Superman: Noted fan of Metallica Surely that would be The Sandman?
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Say Nothing posted:Surely that would be The Sandman?  I don't know which Superboy issue.
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