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Added Space posted:gently caress no. If we secure that thing it's going right back into the ocean, deepest water we can find. Nothing good would come from being associated with something like that. If we put it in the ocean there's no guarantee someone won't try to get it back. Or it could develop a leak. Or we could make Godzilla. Surrendering it to the appropriate authorities for dismantling is the best option.
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Ugh we have a golden opportunity to start our own nuclear program, and all that we can think about is things like "not becoming international pariahs" and "actually wanting to find work that isn't for terrorists at some point"  No imagination, you lot. How fun would it be to have sunshine on tap 
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Jun 26, 2017 20:35
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We could also, i dunno, be all quiet-like and turn it over to the rightful owners whose bases we're squatting in right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ruskies have figured this out and Peter And Company are there to be a last ditch attempt to get the thing if us/Mitsuhashi completely melt down.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:35
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Crazycryodude posted:WHOOOOOOO BOY I got sunshine in a bag I'm useless but not for long The future is coming on I ain't happy, I'm feeling glad I got sunshine in a bag I'm useless but not for long The future is coming on It's coming on It's coming on It's coming on OK, the situation has changed. clearly we must reach out to BSNC to unite against the common enemy - Ted Nugent! We cannot allow him access to weapons of mass destruction!
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Jun 26, 2017 20:37
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Oh god I didn't even consider that angle. Can we get on the horn with the BSNC ASAP and let them know that 1) we know and 2) no matter what, we both need to make sure the Nuge gets nowhere near it? If he gets his grubby little paws on that can, it's getting cracked open in Mecca (or a similarly racist target) the next week.
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Hey guys, I saw a bunch of posts, what- *reads that the current conflict is over a loving nuke just waiting for someone to take it* Motherfucker. We've gotten in waaaaaay over our loving heads with this one. Okayokayokay. poo poo. So to recap: -Mitsu's undergoing a corporate civil war between Mr. Hasegawa and his daughter. -And for that matter, Mitsu's directly responsible for ANGERPeace getting their nuke and selling nukes to Taiwan, kicking off a chain of events leading to the Chinese Civil War. -Hasegawa's daughter doesn't give two shits about anyone else and is mainly staying with the BSNC to keep herself safe while she takes over Mitsu. -Every major power in this theater is trying to get their hands on a goddamned nuke located on St. Lawrence. -We are officially in way over our heads with this one. This is a global crisis brewing here. So...right now, we smile, nod, and figure out how soon we can justify getting the hell out of dodge with as much as we can get our hands on as well. Swear to god, after this we are taking a quiet contract in the rear end end of nowhere against someone with basically nothing and let this shitstorm play out before we go back into the field.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:44
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I'm voting for contacting the UN and letting them know there's additional unsecured nuclear devices floating around out here, myself, as well as informing them about our employer's indiscretions regarding previous nukes. We were already heroes once in Angola, let's stick to that and get our bread buttered even more by people who feel like we're protecting them and not just working for dosh and bloodshed.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:45
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"As much as we can get our hands on" includes the sunshine, if at all possible of course 
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Jun 26, 2017 20:46
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Kitfox88 posted:I'm voting for contacting the UN and letting them know there's additional unsecured nuclear devices floating around out here, myself, as well as informing them about our employer's indiscretions regarding previous nukes. High five, fellow reasonable and virtuous Knight! 
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Jun 26, 2017 20:47
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Take the nuke. Save it for a rainy day. This is a good thing
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Jun 26, 2017 20:52
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Kitfox88 posted:I'm voting for contacting the UN and letting them know there's additional unsecured nuclear devices floating around out here, myself, as well as informing them about our employer's indiscretions regarding previous nukes. What's the UN going to do about it, write a strongly worded letter to someone? We can hand it over for dismantlement once we've got hold of it, but until then the UN is basically as powerless as usual. This mess is up to the people who actually have guns and we can decide what to do afterwards.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqi91tNS2yI
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Jun 26, 2017 20:55
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Wasn't keeping the nuke a bad end in MGS5?
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Jun 26, 2017 20:56
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As for us keeping a nuke, what the hell would we ever use one for? A single nuke won't fend off any major state actor that wants to gently caress us, and any use of the thing will immediately take us past 'heavily armed and dodgily reasonable business' and right into 'international terrorist'.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:57
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You're right, one nuke isn't all that potent in the grand scheme of things. If you take one nuke, keep it your deepest darkest secret, and have some eggheads work on copying it, however....... Sunshine on tap is a very powerful thing.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:59
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That's the kind of thing that costs us billions of dollars and has a shitton of points of failure, not to mention lots of places where we could be detected. It's completely not worth it in every sense of the word.
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Night10194 posted:As for us keeping a nuke, what the hell would we ever use one for? Killing a Carrier Battle Group All sorts of fun false flag operations General causing of chaos Selling it for a lot of moneys Bombing China with it as a return of recent affections Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Jun 26, 2017 21:08
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Kitfox88 posted:I'm voting for contacting the UN and letting them know there's additional unsecured nuclear devices floating around out here, myself, as well as informing them about our employer's indiscretions regarding previous nukes. Davin Valkri posted:High five, fellow reasonable and virtuous Knight! Dance Officer posted:Killing a Carrier Battle Group 
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Jun 26, 2017 21:12
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Knights are such nerds. We need a soldier/mercenary coalition to do the right thing with our sunshine.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:16
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I am in the mercenary alliance for this one.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:18
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Crazycryodude posted:You're right, one nuke isn't all that potent in the grand scheme of things. If you take one nuke, keep it your deepest darkest secret, and have some eggheads work on copying it, however....... Sunshine on tap is a very powerful thing. Do you seriously not know how nukes work? A reasonably intelligent high schooler can build a decent replica of a nuke, none of the plans or science is secret. The hard part is getting the fissile material for the core, which is toxic, hard to find, and costs billions of dollars to process.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:19
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Non-State Actors (and we're a member of that club) likely don't last long when either of, A) become a member of the nuke club or 2) open up a can of sunshine some where, gets met. No on keeping the nuke, assuming we find it.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:23
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Oh I know all that, this whole thing is predicated on the idea of it being a fusion bomb so we can see all the specific and still classified fuckery that goes into one of those instead of a run-of-the-mill fission firecracker. Admittedly the idea of starting our own nuclear program looks less attractive after cooling off from the initial excitement, but we're still stealing that nuke no matter what. Or at least holding on to it for a rainy day/as a massive bargaining chip.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:23
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Sign me up in the nerd camp then because I want to recover and hand over the things to the UN and then tell China who, exactly, armed Taiwan in exchange for getting them to stop trying to gently caress us in the rear end 100% of the time.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:24
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Night10194 posted:As for us keeping a nuke, what the hell would we ever use one for? A single nuke won't fend off any major state actor that wants to gently caress us, and any use of the thing will immediately take us past 'heavily armed and dodgily reasonable business' and right into 'international terrorist'. You don't use one nuke, you threaten to use one nuke. Bluffing can be far more powerful.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:25
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Diffusing a massive international crisis point is the kind of thing that would forever make our reputation and allow us to demand top dollar and operational freedom in the future.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:26
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Alternative solution: Hand it over to the IAEA, but on the condition that the public never hears a peep. Then, win the Mitsu civil war for Julie, and have an eternally gratefully Mitsu and an eternally grateful international intelligence community/IAEA, with none of that hassling news coverage or collapse of the Japanese government or turbo-pissed China and whatnot. poo poo, when the story does eventually leak 20 years from now, we get to look like the humble, quiet servants of peace instead of attention grabbing superstar wannabes.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:30
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Night10194 posted:What's the UN going to do about it, write a strongly worded letter to someone? Honestly my worry is we get ahold of it and right when we do the international community kicks down the door and we're left holding the bag.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:33
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power crystals posted:I forsee zero negative consequences to that plan. I'm in. yes: it is basically foolproof.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:36
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We are turning into a James Bond bad guy organization. I like it.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:37
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Yooper posted:This is an OOC update, and a bit about why I'm running this LP. If you prefer non-rl stuff just skip on by. sooooo.... PMCs are the cure for cancer? 
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Jun 26, 2017 21:38
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Put the nuke in a sidecar attached to the lead Gripen with a dead man switch detonator.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:06
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power crystals posted:I forsee zero negative consequences to that plan. I'm in.  We Need That Island. Securing Hasegawa should be considered a good secondary that will open a lot of options for us re: employer/employee relations.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:20
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The Chinese are moving in missiles, do you think they know about the nuke too?
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Jun 26, 2017 23:46
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Anything we could possibly do here is going to cause more chaos, which will tank Mitsuhashi's share price even farther, which will mean a further buying spree from both Hasegawa's. I don't see the elder winning out in this hostile takeover unless we find the daughter and prevent her from doing that. That said, if we find her and offer her a deal that might be our best way of de-escalating with a paycheck. She's also likely the person who best knows where the nuke is, because she's the one who stole it in the first place. Nevermind Russian or Chinese involvement, those are only going to be a thing if this information gets blown wide open somehow. All that said, BNSC and Iceberg are going to go balls out for these next operations. I'm actually nervous we don't have the planes or arsenal to throw down with an all-in from both of them.
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You know, this is the sort of poo poo fight that that may warrants us getting out own external support. Does Zack still have any friends in Langley? I have to imagine that the Company would be jump all over this like flies on a turd. A change to gently caress with Russian, China, Taiwan, get leverage over some Japanacorps, AND do some good propping up the idea of US sovereignty? They wouldn't miss this for the world. Also, they have to like the idea of Ted getting his hands on a nuke as much as everyone else, so they might be able to reign him in. They may already be somewhat aware though. All those US subs going active is unlikely to be a coincidence.
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omegasgundam posted:You know, this is the sort of poo poo fight that that may warrants us getting out own external support. Does Zack still have any friends in Langley? I have to imagine that the Company would be jump all over this like flies on a turd. A change to gently caress with Russian, China, Taiwan, get leverage over some Japanacorps, AND do some good propping up the idea of US sovereignty? They wouldn't miss this for the world. Also, they have to like the idea of Ted getting his hands on a nuke as much as everyone else, so they might be able to reign him in. noice
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Crazycryodude posted:Alternative solution: Hand it over to the IAEA, but on the condition that the public never hears a peep. Then, win the Mitsu civil war for Julie, and have an eternally gratefully Mitsu and an eternally grateful international intelligence community/IAEA, with none of that hassling news coverage or collapse of the Japanese government or turbo-pissed China and whatnot. This
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Crazycryodude posted:Alternative solution: Hand it over to the IAEA, but on the condition that the public never hears a peep. Then, win the Mitsu civil war for Julie, and have an eternally gratefully Mitsu and an eternally grateful international intelligence community/IAEA, with none of that hassling news coverage or collapse of the Japanese government or turbo-pissed China and whatnot. I now know where my vote lies.
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Yep chalk me up as one of the guys who wants to hand the nuke over to the IAEA/The Us/ Russia, whatever gets it the hell outta here. This next op or two is going to be nuts, and I fully endorse getting Langley in here to hell out with this if we can. Nukes are waaaay out of our paygrade. Too bad we can't subcontract out with other mercs to make sure we can get this operation off the (unless we can get the Mistuhashi board to oust their boss and get us some more help).
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