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Internet Kraken posted:Dumb question: I've seen people say that the GOP Healthcare bill is designed to not take effect until after 2020, under the assumption that the GOP will lose power due to Trump and can then blame the healthcare problems on Democrats. Just hedging their bets - they know they won't lose the majority but if it's closer than they'd like they can blame the increased number of Democrats and faithless RINOs for the resulting chaos.
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Toaster Beef posted:Is this part of the genius of Obamacare, where it's almost completely impossible to repeal without political self-immolation and destruction of the entire healthcare system, or was that just a really neat byproduct? This is why the left needs to focus on universal programs.
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mcmagic posted:They removed it for Supreme Court nominations, not for legislation but the only thing keeping it in place is norms of conduct which don't exist anymore so it might as well not exist. Ah, yes ofc, it was the SC thing. Thanks for the explanation.
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Also, if you get these super high deductible plans, people may just stop buying insurance because you still go bankrupt if you get sick with the high deductible and you can't pay for the plan anymore.
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There have got to be a bunch of cynical assholes that have a D next to their name actually hoping that this passes now because holy gently caress, talk about ammo going into 2018.
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farraday posted:Do you think the moderate side of "not there yet" caucus was told the bill would score better than this? i think the cruz caucus is happy with its medicaid murdering but wants to murder the individual market too, and i don't know they're getting that
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There have got to be a bunch of cynical assholes that have a D next to their name actually hoping that this passes now because holy gently caress, talk about ammo going into 2018. You don't need it to pass to campaign on it. Privatizing social security never even got a vote but was probably the biggest thing that caused the 2006 Dem wave.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:10
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Star Man posted:The PATRIOT Act was the first thing that came to mind. This horrible clusterfuck is a response to nothing. At all. They just wanted to do it.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:10
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There have got to be a bunch of cynical assholes that have a D next to their name actually hoping that this passes now because holy gently caress, talk about ammo going into 2018. Accelerationism! 
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haveblue posted:I take it this is now officially the worst bill that ever stood a real chance of becoming law in US history. fugitive slave act still probably wins there might be worse slavery-related laws that aren't coming to mind as well
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Jun 26, 2017 22:11
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evilweasel posted:I bet this is Witte's story: I hope not. The wettest of farts.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There have got to be a bunch of cynical assholes that have a D next to their name actually hoping that this passes now because holy gently caress, talk about ammo going into 2018.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:12
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ReidRansom posted:I hope this wasn't the thing Wittes was teasing mango sentinel posted:I hope not. The wettest of farts. Maybe, we'll get a BOOM tweet if so
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evilweasel posted:Correct. But because they spent 8 years railing against the mandate, they can't use that. They can't use the House's surcharge of 30% because that basically invites you to register only when you get actually sick, because a 30% surcharge is nothing in comparison. So a delay is all they have left. Reminds me of how Pawlenty disguised a tax increase as a "user fee" for cigarettes then learned the use of that money was very limited.
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Pellisworth posted:Maybe, we'll get a BOOM tweet if so Wait, really? It kills me to not see that cannon go off.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:13
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God I hope that Turtle looking gently caress is getting screamed at by his donors over this.
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100% Carter Page will be on cable news tonight saying that the FBI just wanted his expert knowledge to explain why their conclusions are all wrong because he was in regular contact with the Trump campaign and Russia so he'd know.
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mango sentinel posted:I hope not. The wettest of farts. the fbi questioning a trump aide for 10 hours about if he was the go-between for collusion between the trump campaign and russia is a Big Deal, even if it's not evidence it's a strong suggestion the FBI thinks there's something there based on, presumably, undisclosed evidence
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Wittes follows up with a boom and a link when he does this.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There have got to be a bunch of cynical assholes that have a D next to their name actually hoping that this passes now because holy gently caress, talk about ammo going into 2018. In a perfect world it wouldn't exist. This is Trump World - up is down, left is right, and Dems have no political power. You can either see some silver lining in the repubs hoisting their own petard on this toxic legislation or wallow in misery while it happens anyway. Is it still accelerationism if it's not wishing for the worst but a sober account of reality?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:God I hope that Turtle looking gently caress is getting screamed at by his donors over this. his donors are the ones who really only care about the tax cuts, and he made sure not to touch those
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Queering Wheel posted:I mean this bill has to be dead just because of this, right? Heller, Paul, Collins, that's three. She is on tape saying she can't support a bill that does what this bill does. Murkowski has to be a no too after this disaster of a report. This is so blatantly hosed up, there's no way they have 50 people voting yes. Sadbrain me: they'll cave just like the House "moderates" caved, they just need a face-saver. Optimist me: well, make sure they feel public pressure. Phone bank. Do whatever you can.
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Senator Murphy had a very good idea:quote:Over the weekend, the senior Democrat on the Senate subcommittee that oversees the CBO said in a tweet that he had asked the budget office to estimate the Senate bill’s effect on insurance coverage over a longer time horizon. “GOP is hiding the worst Medicaid cuts in years 11, 12, 13 and hoping CBO stays quiet,” wrote Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.)
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evilweasel posted:his donors are the ones who really only care about the tax cuts, and he made sure not to touch those But what if this newest CBO score helps torpedo the whole thing altogether, meaning no precious tax cuts?
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Jun 26, 2017 22:18
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evilweasel posted:You don't need it to pass to campaign on it. Privatizing social security never even got a vote but was probably the biggest thing that caused the 2006 Dem wave.
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https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/879448012921212928 whoops that was wrong evilweasel fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Jun 26, 2017 22:19
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mcmagic posted:The next time we have democratic unified government, the filibuster is gone. If we have leaders who are of the current Democratic establishment mindset, that will not happen.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Uh, Iraq turning into a shitshow and Hurricane Katrina were way, way bigger factors in 2006 than Social Security privatization. The Iraq War did not devolve into peak quadmire until 2007.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:20
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It's still going to pass and people are going to die
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Passing this bill would be so immediately horribly destructive to such a wide variety of peoplease and industries I almost hope they do it, because the counterpunch will be swift by necessity. This will not be like gutting welfare in the 90s where the consequences are abstruse and longitudinal. The consequences will be loving right now immediate. They tried to protract things out and obscure the destruction, but you can't with this.
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B B posted:If we have leaders who are of the current Democratic establishment mindset, that will not happen. It will happen. Did you see how many corporate establishment Dems joined the Gorsuch filibuster?
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/879448012921212928 lol, even the gop least the ones closer to the ground know its loving poo poo.
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Spiffster posted:It's still going to pass and people are going to die Thank you for your input.
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/879448012921212928 Beshear is the Democrat ex-gov of KY that expanded Medicaid. The current governor is Bevin and a Republican and a fuckwad who wants to close the state exchange.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Uh, Iraq turning into a shitshow and Hurricane Katrina were way, way bigger factors in 2006 than Social Security privatization. No, people remember Katrina because it was such a disaster but social security privatization was a much bigger deal and caused a complete collapse in support for Republicans generally that everything else only exacerbated. Without that, Bush might have had more credibility to blame Katrina problems on local officials and it might have been more of a general disaster story and less of a Bush Fuckup story. I mean, look at how little Bush gets blamed for 9/11.
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La Brea Carpet posted:Beshear is the Democrat ex-gov of KY that expanded Medicaid. The current governor is Bevin and a Republican and a fuckwad who wants to close the state exchange. Oh, whoops. My mistake, you're right.
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saying what we all knew, but for that one person who was insisting manchin was going to vote for this: https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/879449800122540032
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