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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/879091132994662402 Yeah Ted Cruz overshadows him for pure shitbaggery but Cornyn is much more representative of the "old-school" Texas GOP establishment assholes here.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Yeah Ted Cruz overshadows him for pure shitbaggery but Cornyn is much more representative of the "old-school" Texas GOP establishment assholes here. He was speaking at a Koch brothers event so that tells you all you need to know about being an rear end in a top hat.
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what am i missing? how will making the bill worse today make it more palatable to the reps who said nay? or were those 5 demanding a more terrible bill
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Relin posted:what am i missing? how will making the bill worse today make it more palatable to the reps who said nay? or were those 5 demanding a more terrible bill The original Senate bill, as written, would have destroyed the individual markets virtually immediately because it included no replacement for the individual mandate. They had to put something in for it to function at all.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:13
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Jun 26, 2017 20:19
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Jun 26, 2017 20:41
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Do you think Americans are really dumb enough to see premiums go up 30% immediately after Republicans pass a bill without a single D vote and blame the democrats? Sure the ancient fox news moron demo will believe whatever the shouty box tells them but the majority of the electorate already dislikes Trump and hates Congress.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:15
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Arglebargle III posted:Do you think Americans are really dumb enough to see premiums go up 30% immediately after Republicans pass a bill without a single D vote and blame the democrats? Sure the ancient fox news moron demo will believe whatever the shouty box tells them but the majority of the electorate already dislikes Trump and hates Congress. Absolutely
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Jun 26, 2017 21:28
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CBO score is out: https://twitter.com/USCBOcostest/status/879435926233133059
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Jun 26, 2017 21:29
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Well let's look at our current elected leadership.... Yes. Yes, I do.
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Arglebargle III posted:Do you think Americans are really dumb enough to see premiums go up 30% immediately after Republicans pass a bill without a single D vote and blame the democrats? Yes.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:37
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Arglebargle III posted:Do you think Americans are really dumb enough to see premiums go up 30% immediately after Republicans pass a bill without a single D vote and blame the democrats? Sure the ancient fox news moron demo will believe whatever the shouty box tells them but the majority of the electorate already dislikes Trump and hates Congress. Clearly it's because they don't have 60 votes in the senate.
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Arglebargle III posted:Do you think Americans are really dumb enough to see premiums go up 30% immediately after Republicans pass a bill without a single D vote and blame the democrats? Sure the ancient fox news moron demo will believe whatever the shouty box tells them but the majority of the electorate already dislikes Trump and hates Congress. "This is what we had to do to pass something to fix Obamacare because otherwise you'd spend even more and get even less as insurers pulled out because that's literally what they were saying during the House's bill discussions literally every single go-round, and they will continue the rhetoric in the Senate.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:43
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B B posted:CBO score is out: Rich get richer, poor lose everything, water is wet and the world is cyclical. At least now I can add every senator that votes for this to my death wish list. Also I can't think what the Majority Whip leaders name is but that guy is a real oval office.
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The bill results in a 20% increase in premiums and 15 million people losing coverage, next year.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:58
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evilweasel posted:The bill results in a 20% increase in premiums and 15 million people losing coverage, next year. Considering the statement from John cornyn on this literal same page that this Bill had to pass to prevent cost increases of exactly this kind, this is big.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:00
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They didn't even put in a number for out of pocket costs other than saying that they will go up by a lot. And that section about the non-group market staying stable reads like it is made up entirely with wishful thinking.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:03
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https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/879436699646009345 Are there any news sources relating this for me and my social media friends who won't read through a CBO report?
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Arglebargle III posted:Do you think Americans are really dumb enough to see premiums go up 30% immediately after Republicans pass a bill without a single D vote and blame the democrats? Remind me who is president again?
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oldskool posted:"This is what we had to do to pass something to fix Obamacare because otherwise you'd spend even more and get even less as insurers pulled out because https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/879445599862624256 https://twitter.com/congressmanraja/status/879445904331333633
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Flip Yr Wig posted:https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/879436699646009345  If they can look at a simple table.
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The Phlegmatist posted:
If they're going to round they should do it better, it's hard to take their chart seriously when 26 + 1 = 28
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Jun 26, 2017 22:54
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Azhais posted:If they're going to round they should do it better, it's hard to take their chart seriously when 26 + 1 = 28 That happens all the time when you round correctly. I.e. 26.4 + 1.4 = 27.8, and rounds to 26 + 1 = 28. Numbers on a chart like this one will frequently have their sums off from the sum of the rounded components due to rounding and if there aren't cases like that something's up.
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evilweasel posted:That happens all the time when you round correctly. I.e. 26.4 + 1.4 = 27.8, and rounds to 26 + 1 = 28. Numbers on a chart like this one will frequently have their sums off from the sum of the rounded components due to rounding and if there aren't cases like that something's up. Yeah, but it's one of those things that immediately lends itself to "Why should I take their estimates seriously when they can't even add to 50?!"
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Azhais posted:Yeah, but it's one of those things that immediately lends itself to "Why should I take their estimates seriously when they can't even add to 50?!"
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I mean all this points to single payer as the number one solution. We just have to reprogram millions of people or have them all die.
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Azhais posted:Yeah, but it's one of those things that immediately lends itself to "Why should I take their estimates seriously when they can't even add to 50?!" It's how numbers work, what do you want them to do, lie about one of the numbers to make it look better to the uninformed while being wrong when reviewed by the informed?
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Jun 26, 2017 23:06
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what's the tax cut? Still just under 900 trillion?
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Jun 26, 2017 23:07
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McConnell does not appear to have the votes to start the clock on bringing this poo poo to a vote: https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/879459679734308864 https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/879459535475412992 https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/879457928452898817 Heller also said he wouldn't vote to proceed.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:08
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evilweasel posted:McConnell does not appear to have the votes to start the clock on bringing this poo poo to a vote: A hopeful sign, but if we were living in a functional republic this wouldn't even be close.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:A hopeful sign, but if we were living in a functional republic this wouldn't even be close. This doesn't mean it won't ultimately pass. What it means is that it's not coming to a vote this week unless one of them changes their mind, and it sounds like each of them won't let it proceed until they get the amendment they want.
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evilweasel posted:This doesn't mean it won't ultimately pass. What it means is that it's not coming to a vote this week unless one of them changes their mind, and it sounds like each of them won't let it proceed until they get the amendment they want. Understood, but the longer this abomination rots in the sun and stinks up the place, the better. McConnell wanted this piece of poo poo voted on by the end of the week for a very obvious reason.
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If this was any recess other then the 4th of July recess I could honestly see McConnell canceling it so he could have more time to hammer out the bribe amendments for this piece of garbage.
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evilweasel posted:It's how numbers work, what do you want them to do, lie about one of the numbers to make it look better to the uninformed while being wrong when reviewed by the informed? I mean to be fair they could've just added a decimal place. But then again we're talking about a hypothetical situation where someone is smart enough to notice the numbers don't quite add up but dumb enough to not know that rounding is a thing, so it's an entirely inconsequential nitpick.
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I hope try don't vote and these people have to go home and face the actual people they represent.
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Rad Valtar posted:I hope try don't vote and these people have to go home and face the actual people they represent. Do Senators even really interact with normal people? I feel like it's a no.
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Noctone posted:Do Senators even really interact with normal people? I feel like it's a no. My senator Deb Fischer is in a little hot water right now for stonewalling people who don't think in lockstep with her from a re-election event: http://shareblue.com/gop-senator-bans-constituents-who-disagree-with-her-from-publicly-advertised-event/
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twodot posted:I can't tell, are you presenting an argument that you personally think is reasonable, or are you predicting that idiots will care about idiot things, and saying it's important to keep the idiots on board? The latter. Even going to a single decimal place would make it look better
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Noctone posted:Do Senators even really interact with normal people? I feel like it's a no. Multiple offices of Marco Rubio were closed because constituents were flooding the places and landlords got sick of them.
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