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Skippy Granola posted:Badass Pinkertons were private contractors, not law enforcement.
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The saddest thing about arguing with a supporter of this bill is that you absolutely cannot use the same logic they use in the defense of the bill to argue against it. The defense of this bill will be based on the same principles used for tax cuts, future projections based on initial numbers that are given a wide margin of forgiveness. In this case though, you will have conservatives fighting tooth and nail against you doing the same thing. 15 million people leaving the marketplace, no matter what the underlying reason is, will leave a financial void that will in turn affect prices. That is a given, that cannot be argued. if you give people the chance to opt out and give states the chance to opt out, you are creating financial voids that cannot cover the same plans. If plans become cheaper, the benefits will have to be reduced. Connecting the dots is a simple concept that will fall on deaf ears when it comes to conservative support for Trumpcare.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:36
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only trust trump. trump is your god. https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/879467006713622528
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Roland Jones posted:Hey, I might have missed this being posted, but, the reason why Republicans are pushing the AHCA so hard? Their donors are demanding it and refusing to pay unless they do. This certainly explains some things. They have to do it to get the money. No wonder the gunning for it this might be the deciding factor. Man this is turning out to be one scary ride. Like a roller coaster that won't stop and if it ever did stop you die.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:There's no way they pass this thing. https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/879466661082013697
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Jun 26, 2017 23:40
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Pinkertons were private contractors, not law enforcement. They often deputized Pinkerton agents when they helped the cops break strikes.
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Spiffster posted:Man screw my state Yeah and this on the heels of the muslim billboard. It's bad.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:43
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Trabisnikof posted:They often deputized Pinkerton agents when they helped the cops break strikes. Forgot that bit but it isn't happening yet.   
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Jun 26, 2017 23:44
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I just figured they made it a larger savings so they could negotiate downwards
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skylined! posted:only trust trump. trump is your god. jfc From my reading earlier the CBO has been pretty generally well regarded as nonpartisan forever. Politicians grumble about it when their bill gets a poor review but... jfc FAKE OFFICE KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Jun 26, 2017 23:46
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Wittes bomb didn't blow today
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Hollismason posted:I just figured they made it a larger savings so they could negotiate downwards McConnell definitely made the bill harsher than he needed to, with the goal of letting wavering moderates offer amendments to get to a pre-planned level of harshness. That's the obvious reason it has no opioid funding even though that's absolutely necessary to get some of the "moderates" votes, like Portman and Capuito. That way, they get to offer the amendment and use it to justify voting for it.
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I haven't slogged through the actual bill, but based on the way is being talked about, doesn't it mean you can't have health insurance for more than 6 months at a time? If you don't pay for insurance for 2 months, you have to wait 6 months next year, during which you don't have to pay, which means you go more than 2 months next year without paying for insurance, so you have to wait.... The only other way I can think to read that is once you go 6 months without insurance and don't die, you're set because you can just go back on whenever you actually need it. Both of these seem impossibly stupid.
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With an extra 200 billion dollars, I can see this thing passing. I mean their donors are withholding money as well. Money Rules these men's Souls so money will guide their action.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:48
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skylined! posted:only trust trump. trump is your god. Wait, so we should expect it to be more like 50 million more uninsured?
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It's win-win either way they pass it and health premiums will go up and millions of americans everyone who voted for trump loses insurance they don't pass it and they look like a bunch of weak little children Bring it on. I'm not afraid of death fuckers. And nobody here should be either.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:49
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:It's win-win either way Said the man who has nothing to lose if this bill passes. Not said by the people who will die immediately if this bill passes.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:50
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Pinkertons were private contractors, not law enforcement. That's my cynical implication in that post, anyway. Cops are scum
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Covok posted:Said the man who has nothing to lose if this bill passes. Not said by the people who will die immediately if this bill passes. I purchase health insurance from the marketplace for me and my wife so no. I have plenty to loving lose. But unlike Trump, Republicans, and his cohorts and many Democrats - i'm not a loving coward. like I said worse has happened in this world. Let them kill me in the streets. I shed not a single tear. The only regret is I have but one life to give for my country.
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Skippy Granola posted:That's my cynical implication in that post, anyway. Cops are scum Ha, whoops. Fair enough.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:52
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 Looking like total Republican failure at the moment. But as always, hope is a lie
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Jun 26, 2017 23:54
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That is four clear "no" votes on the motion to proceed. I still think Collins is gettable but that rationale is harder to walk away from than, say, discussing how it hurts opioid funding. Saying the bill's cuts to medicaid hurt the most vulnerable is a lot harder to pretend is no longer the case with an amendment.
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Covok posted:Said the man who has nothing to lose if this bill passes. Not said by the people who will die immediately if this bill passes. Is it horrible? Is it monstorous? Does it mean those senators should step down? Yes. But we shouldn't lose our heads over it.
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oklahoma status: getting worse all the time https://twitter.com/AliceOllstein/status/879458283475619840
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Bring it on. I'm not afraid of death fuckers. And nobody here should be either. well I mean I'm not, but I live in a country where the most expensive thing about a 2 month hospital stay is the parking (it was about $20 total) so...
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evilweasel posted:oklahoma status: getting worse all the time I'm totally, 100% against this recent Freep "hurt your political enemies" thing gaining steam around here. But sometimes...
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evilweasel posted:That is four clear "no" votes on the motion to proceed. I still think Collins is gettable but that rationale is harder to walk away from than, say, discussing how it hurts opioid funding. Saying the bill's cuts to medicaid hurt the most vulnerable is a lot harder to pretend is no longer the case with an amendment. Inshallah. Do we have any Den senators repeatedly throwing public option bills at the wall?
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/status/879471862694256641 Welp, that's it for this version of the bill, at least. Maybe next time they can get the number of people who will lose insurance down to only 21 million!
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evilweasel posted:That is four clear "no" votes on the motion to proceed. I still think Collins is gettable but that rationale is harder to walk away from than, say, discussing how it hurts opioid funding. Saying the bill's cuts to medicaid hurt the most vulnerable is a lot harder to pretend is no longer the case with an amendment. If they can't proceed and have to rewrite, do you know if the CBO are required to reescore the bill when it's resibmitted?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Inshallah. anything a democratic senator proposes doesn't get a vote and has as much impact on the world as you personally mailing a proposed bill to McConnell's office and less impact than a precocious four year old girl submitting a bill written in crayon (because her bill might actually get attention and a vote) they could force hard votes if this came to the floor in the "vote-a-rama" that happens if the motion to proceed succeeds, but we're all much better off if we never get there
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DaveWoo posted:Welp, that's it for this version of the bill, at least. So she and rand paul and Mnuchin were enough to bring this down?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they don't pass this before the end of the week, they only have July 9-30 to rewrite and pass something or it's dead for good right?
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farraday posted:If they can't proceed and have to rewrite, do you know if the CBO are required to reescore the bill when it's resibmitted? I know that it has to have a score before it can get a final vote but I don't know if it needs one before the motion to proceed.
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evilweasel posted:anything a democratic senator proposes doesn't get a vote and has as much impact on the world as you personally mailing a proposed bill to McConnell's office and less impact than a precocious four year old girl submitting a bill written in crayon (because her bill might actually get attention and a vote) Can minority party get CBO scores on proposals? Might be good for campaigning if so.
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KillHour posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they don't pass this before the end of the week, they only have July 9-30 to rewrite and pass something or it's dead for good right? I don't think Cornyn is actually correct that August 1st is the drop dead date, legislatively. The actual drop dead date is when the fiscal year ends, I think, because then they have to move onto the 2018 reconciliation bill and they've lost this one. I think that's sometime in September. There is probably a point before September that McConnell would decide to just have a vote, let it fail, and move onto cutting taxes before he actually was required to.
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Not a Children posted:So she and rand paul and Mnuchin were enough to bring this down? Lee of Utah didn't like it either. Anything come from that tick tick guy?
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free win idea for republicans: you take the ACA and change its name to TrumpCare. change nothing. conservatives suddenly love it and support it. it's like telling children "no those aren't lima beans, they're dinosaur eggs" i'm certain it would work.
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McConnel is going figure out some tricky way to shovel 100 billion dollars directly into Maine's rural hospitals. Maybe he can wrap it into an infrastructure bill to hire out-of-work coal miners to literally drive bails of cash to Acadia
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