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Guy Goodbody posted:or play a new game that's better now you're talking some sense! 
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Viewtiful Jew posted:You: Now we need to create a custom mock-up of Star Fox 2 box art to print out and place on our shelves. https://www.retrogamecases.com/shop/snes-horizontal/starfox-2-2/
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Jun 27, 2017 01:25
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Viewtiful Jew posted:You: Now we need to create a custom mock-up of Star Fox 2 box art to print out and place on our shelves. Wait, the Japanese version has different games? Weird for that one to have SSF2 while the American one has SF2Turbo.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:25
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Wait, Yoshi is spelled Yossy in Japan? What? They must have thought that would translate better to roman characters or something, but Yoshi is way better...
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Jun 27, 2017 01:27
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the japanese one has panel de pon?? hosed AGAIN
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Jun 27, 2017 01:28
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Zaphod42 posted:lol like for real so for real. rom poo poo was more integral to our generation, with little to no regard for social or racial lines, than a lot of people might realize Zaphod42 posted:Wait, Yoshi is spelled Yossy in Japan? What? it's like nessie maybe i dunno they pronounce the two the same way so why wouldn't they spell them similarly too? Fur20 fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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So for the Super Famicom Mini, it's: - Street Fighter 2 Turbo - Super Punch-Out!! - Kirby's Dream Course - Earthbound - Super Castlevania IV + Super Street Fighter 2 + Fire Emblem 4 + Panel de Pon + Legend of the Mystical Ninja + Super Formation Soccer The Street Fighter situation is weird. I don't know why we wouldn't all get the same one (Super). I'd trade Dream Course for either Panel or Mystical Ninja, but I think in the end US has the better lineup.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:35
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Oyster posted:This article is brought up a lot, and it really seems like he's talking about an old ROM. There are multiple ROMs out there in different states, and the latest one has "roguelike encounters" and "different arenas", while the early alpha ROM did not have those. I'm happy to be wrong, I'll take more Star Fox 2, but I'm extremely skeptical. I had this feeling as well, and to be fair I am presuming that a dev who cared about a project they worked on would keep track of something like that (especially if it was potentially on the books for a re-release). It certainly could just be that he took 1 quick look years ago and is went from there. Fwiw, someone on Gaf said about the roms, "It was obvious it wasn't quite done though, at least if you play the original non-modified rom". I only tried some of the other patched versions of the rom that had the bugs removed so idk. Zaphod42 posted:Ehhhhhh did you actually read the link though? (keep in mind the point Oyster made, if you're talking about those features as not new. That's certainly a mixup there) I, uh, am pretty sure I read it right? Not trying to troll, but it sounds like you aren't interpreting it right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying this: He's saying that it's the final version of the game, but that final version is missing things he wanted to put in the game originally. Is that wrong? Like, I don't think this is a case of lovely journalism. Cuthbert's quote itself says, "The videos out there are an old build of the game, it isn't the final build that we had", and then cites the missing features. And the article writer treated it with almost the exact same tone, saying that the current rom is "not fully representative of the final product", which is a fair way to represent that original statement. The only real spin the writer took was saying that it was that the developer would be the most trustworthy source on this issue, and that's not exactly a crazy position to take. Maybe you're conflating what we're saying with old build vs final build as saying that the game was 60% complete in the old rom and that the final-version-that-may-or-may-not-be-the-snes-mini-version rom adds in the remaining 40%? Make no mistake, I don't think that's what it says at all; I think in truth the rom that's out there (if it's not the actual final build) has to be at worst 95% done cause it's probably the one that was done at the time the decision was made. I'm not expecting the new release to suddenly add in tons of new content or anything.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:39
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the Japanese version is def worse. No Punchout, Earthbound, or Castlevania? I 'd take those over Goemon, Panel Pon, and Soccer any day. The fact that all regions don't get Super Street Fighter is just flat out moronic though. I guess Nintendo just had to throw one more screwball decision in there, unless there's some wild and wacky explanation for this.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:40
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Legend of the Mystical Ninja is one of my favorite games of all time
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Jun 27, 2017 01:41
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Legend of the Mystical Ninja is one of my favorite games of all time It's sad that Nintendo just somehow couldn't possibly fit another 32mb on the SNES Classic for it Panel Pon and Fire Emblem I can understand, it's nippon only, but it just makes zero sense to not put a fully translated game on the other regions
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Jun 27, 2017 01:44
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katkillad2 posted:
Want something but you can't get? Here is how to still not get the thing you actually wanted
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Jun 27, 2017 01:46
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Read Dylan Cuthbert's twitter. He's saying the same thing: The ROM that floating around out there is not the final mastered build of the game and is missing some features that are in the final mastered build of the game, which was completed prior to being cancelled. There exists a mastered ROM and he's played it. Fun fact: about 10 years ago I posted about the Star Fox 2 translation patch being released. This has been a long time coming, I can't wait to play it.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:46
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Viewtiful Jew posted:You: Now we need to create a custom mock-up of Star Fox 2 box art to print out and place on our shelves. So, looks like the SFC Classic trades Earthbound, Kirby's Dream Course, Super Punch-Out, and Castlevania 4 for Fire Emblem, "Super Formation Soccer" (did that come out in the US in any form?), Mystical Ninja, and Panel de Pon (aka "Tetris Attack") I kinda feel like they get a slightly better selection, but I never really liked Super-Punchout and am not as emotionally attached to Earthbound as most goons, whereas Mystical Ninja and Tetris Attack were two of my favorites. I like Fire Emblem too but I'm not well versed enough in the series to know whether the one in their set is one of the "good ones." Zaphod42 posted:Wait, Yoshi is spelled Yossy in Japan? What? They must have thought that would translate better to roman characters or something, but Yoshi is way better... Japanese romanizations are never very consistent, it's mostly decorative for their purposes. See also: "Katamari Damacy" raditts fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 01:53
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Something I haven't seen mentioned yet; The SNES Mini is going to use the same WiiMote sockets for the controllers as the NES one, the front of the console shown is just an aesthetic cover.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:06
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Ventana posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying this: He's saying that it's the final version of the game, but that final version is missing things he wanted to put in the game originally. Is that wrong? Well, he didn't work on the original game at all, so that's not quite right. He only worked on a port later down the road. He doesn't work as a dev for Nintendo. I was saying that he mistakenly thought the version we had was missing lots of features when it wasn't (explained by oyster's post) and that the version we have is or is close to the final version nintendo produced. That version has everything that was "supposed" to be in SF2 for the most part, with maybe some bugs. Nintendo constantly said the game was basically done and just decided not to release it, and there's a ROMdump version out that is extremely playable and quite fun. I have a hard time imagining that tons of things are missing, it already shows a ton of work and changes from Starfox 1 and doesn't feel like its missing anything huge. It feels like a finished SNES game, not an alpha work in progress build. Ventana posted:Like, I don't think this is a case of lovely journalism. Cuthbert's quote itself says, "The videos out there are an old build of the game, it isn't the final build that we had", and then cites the missing features. And the article writer treated it with almost the exact same tone, saying that the current rom is "not fully representative of the final product", which is a fair way to represent that original statement. The only real spin the writer took was saying that it was that the developer would be the most trustworthy source on this issue, and that's not exactly a crazy position to take. I'm overstating the case because all journalists are poo poo now and I don't like that none of them even try, but dude, That isn't a quote. It says, verbatim: quote:As for Star Fox 2, Cuthbert insisted once again that the widely circulated 'leaked' ROM is not fully representative of the final product, and frankly we'll take his word for it That isn't a quote dude. That's him saying "I talked to Cuthbert and he said something to the lines of". If its not a quote, I don't trust it. If he had something definitive that Cuthbert said, he would have quoted him. Instead he just hand waives it as "he insisted that isn't not fully representative" and leaves it at that. The only quote is quote:"I can't really comment on that [feelings about the ROM], and it's illegal to do reproduction cartridges. The videos I've seen of that build show it to be an old build and not the final one as there are some major gameplay elements missing such as the rogue-style encounter system and more variations of the various arenas and setups." So he begins by saying "I can't really comment" and then says "I saw a video of something that didn't look like the finished game" and that's about it for hard facts. There's nothing really definitive here. But the "major gameplay elements missing" doesn't really jive with me. The game is already technically impressive and very different from a design standpoint from anything else Nintendo did on SNES. To go further would be really crazy, although I guess I'd love to be surprised and find that Nintendo had plans to make a full random ship generator or something like that 
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Jun 27, 2017 02:10
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DLC Inc posted:
The schism between capcom usa and capcom japan over the proper speed of street fighter2 is well documented. Choice quote from the guy that pushed for HF to be made quote:A big nightmare fight happened over there, over the fact that basically no one wanted to make it faster, and unfortunately the market spoke. My mentor Akira Nishitani was very disappointed with the fact that I wanted to make it faster. He no longer was my mentor after that. Because he had, down to the milliseconds, on how people could respond to seeing a fireball [by jumping over it, and then how the other player could counter with an] uppercut. And this was breaking all of that research he did. And I just showed him, at the end of the day, you speed it up 15 percent, people will adapt and they'll be able to see it. So that created a bit of a falling out. ... On Hyper Fighting, [Nishitani] washed his hands of it. Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 02:12
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lovely Wizard posted:I'd pay 60 usd for a full 3d version of Mother 3 even at n64 level graphics. Probably bad fiscal decision though. Imagine Mother 3 but with Wind Waker graphics.
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Spacebump posted:Imagine Mother 3 but with Wind Waker graphics. turn based RPGs are almost always worse in 3D imo that's my 2 centz
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Jun 27, 2017 02:16
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https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/879487208306089985
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Ventana posted:Maybe you're conflating what we're saying with old build vs final build as saying that the game was 60% complete in the old rom and that the final-version-that-may-or-may-not-be-the-snes-mini-version rom adds in the remaining 40%? Make no mistake, I don't think that's what it says at all; I think in truth the rom that's out there (if it's not the actual final build) has to be at worst 95% done cause it's probably the one that was done at the time the decision was made. I'm not expecting the new release to suddenly add in tons of new content or anything. ...what the gently caress? You literally posted Ventana posted:It may be the more updated version of the game. The ROM leak wasn't the most up to date build apparently and is said to be missing quite a few features. Now you're walking that back and saying that all along you believed the ROM leak was 95% done? Uhhhhhhh
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Jun 27, 2017 02:19
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placeholder Amazon link for the SNES Classic: https://www.amazon.com/Placeholder-...classic+edition
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Jun 27, 2017 02:47
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EB Games Australia's also taking preorders already.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:49
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I know Star Fox framerate was bad and will probably remain bad in order to reproduce the original experience %100, but I wonder if they might take Star Fox 2's even worse framerate and improve it somehow, since there is no "original experience" to copy. It was never released.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:06
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I know Star Fox framerate was bad and will probably remain bad in order to reproduce the original experience %100, but I wonder if they might take Star Fox 2's even worse framerate and improve it somehow, since there is no "original experience" to copy. It was never released. Its not a matter of "original experience" its a matter of them probably not having the original source code anymore and not wanting to gently caress with trying to reverse engineer and hack the game into working better. Just forcing it faster could cause all kinds of bugs.
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Zaphod42 posted:Well, he didn't work on the original game at all, so that's not quite right. He only worked on a port later down the road. He doesn't work as a dev for Nintendo. If you read the article I linked, or checked out the page for his studio Q-Games, you'd see this is not quite the case. He worked for Argonaut, helped on Star Fox and is said to have been on the staff for Star Fox 2, citing work with them up till the cert process and after. He may have only had minimal influence on Star Fox 1, but he's listed as a programmer for 2. He's not Nintendo no, but he definitely worked on the game. Zaphod42 posted:but dude, That isn't a quote. You're really getting riled up about something, so I'm sorry? Maybe you're upset that I paraphrased it? Which I can admit, I was doing lazy internet shorthand of putting my paraphrase in quotation marks. In any case, it sounds like you're making some sort of case here that he's doing improper reporting when there really isn't. The writer summarizes a new key point of info in the article by paraphrasing Cuthbert's words, then quotes his words exactly. That's normal journalism. I wasn't conflating the two; I even pointed it out myself? I wasn't telling you to only believe the article writer or anything, I was just pointing out that he was doing a mostly accurate summary in that paraphrasing fashion. It looks like you're just not interpreting Cuthbert's quote right. Or at least, you don't seem to believe Cuthbert is really saying that the leaked rom isn't the full representation he intended. Does this quote from the other older article help get the point across? quote:In a neat twist, it would be during the production of Star Fox Command that Cuthbert was re-acquainted with his past, ill-fated project. "During development we received a copy of the mastered Star Fox 2 ROM to play, and it was quite a blast." This ROM would have been the final game, complete with QA tweaks and ready for a release that never happened. Cuthbert is keen to point out that this version is far superior to the numerous leaked prototype ROMs which are currently doing the rounds on the web - the leaking of which has been erroneously attributed to himself. "There are a few ROMs on the net in various conditions," he states. "But the ones I checked out are all old and they don't have the randomizing Rogue-like stuff working or all the encounters in place, so you don't really get the feel of the game we were making." Regardless if you believe Cuthbert or not, it certainly looks like his stance is that the leaked rom isn't representative of the intended product. That's the key emotion behind that snippet I bolded, and that's what the writer of the newer article was reflecting in his "not fully representative of the final product" line. I don't think the writer of the newer article was being out of line in trying to represent it that way, nor out of line by implying that a dev knows best. That said, you still are free to disagree with Cuthbert and claim that the leaked rom truly is representative of the intended vision. I mostly would agree with that as well, as I said earlier. Ventana fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 03:39
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Zaphod42 posted:
I'll admit, I was hesistant about using those choice of words in that post for that exact reason. I meant "quite a few" to mean something small, though not everyone interprets the phrase that way. I'll apologize for that mixup, and I'll reiterate that the second quote there is closer to what I mean (that it's 95% with some new things still left out). That said, I hope we're not arguing over each other on this, cause I think we both agree that the changes won't be drastic for the end user or the ideal experience. I'd still call it by "the most updated version with new features", but perhaps you wouldn't go that far.
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Zaphod42 posted:Its not a matter of "original experience" its a matter of them probably not having the original source code anymore and not wanting to gently caress with trying to reverse engineer and hack the game into working better. Just forcing it faster could cause all kinds of bugs. They could put something in the option menu to run with overclocked SuperFX. I tried out Starfox with the SuperFX overclocked to around double its regular speed on real hardware and nothing seemed broken.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:50
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Fuuuuuuck there is a thread for the Nintendo mini consoles shut up about them in the switch thread
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Jun 27, 2017 03:52
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Fuuuuuuck there is a thread for the Nintendo mini consoles shut up about them in the switch thread People would shut up if vc was announced
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:They could put something in the option menu to run with overclocked SuperFX. I tried out Starfox with the SuperFX overclocked to around double its regular speed on real hardware and nothing seemed broken. I should try that. That 60fps SNES Star Fox microgame in WarioWare: Smooth Moves is really good. 64 is easily the best Star Fox but I still find something appealing about the SNES ones.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:58
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Switch related content: I'm not getting a Snes mini and would rather prefer Nintendo put any SF2 release on the eventual Switch VC
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C-SPAN Caller posted:People would shut up if vc was announced I really hope that game netflix thing they talked about replaces Virtual Console
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Jun 27, 2017 04:07
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Guy Goodbody posted:I really hope that game netflix thing they talked about replaces Virtual Console I think that adds to the whole drama around the SNES Mini, because they only mentioned NES games in their last announcement about that service. If they are going to purposefully hold off on SNES games for the Switch because of the Mini, that would be really dumb
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guys... is super mario world not perfect for switch?
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Ventana posted:I'll admit, I was hesistant about using those choice of words in that post for that exact reason. I meant "quite a few" to mean something small, though not everyone interprets the phrase that way. I'll apologize for that mixup, and I'll reiterate that the second quote there is closer to what I mean (that it's 95% with some new things still left out). I was literally trying to just say "hey its not going to be that different" from the beginning, so if that was really your stance I don't know why you replied to me and made such a big deal out of it. You should just say "yeah I agree". I feel like you're bullshitting me here. Like why would you say "Hey guys there could be quite a few things missing from that romdump we could get from the snes mini version!*" *and by quite a few I mean not much, barely any, you should just play the romdump cause it'll be mostly the same It completely contradicts your point... if that's what you meant you really should have said something to that effect. Any words that clued in on that would have been something, but you just presented it as "hey check this out there's quite a lot missing! This is exciting!" so of course I read it that way?? Whatever man. A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:They could put something in the option menu to run with overclocked SuperFX. I tried out Starfox with the SuperFX overclocked to around double its regular speed on real hardware and nothing seemed broken. Yeah, hope they do. Because Starfox at 10-15fps is gonna be a rude awakening for lots of people, especially anybody who didn't play it as a kid already. I'm always in favor of giving people options; try this, if it doesn't work, try that instead! But you know how Nintendo is, so we'll see. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Maybe we will be blessed with the first few VC games being the CDI Games with the zelda games being remade in the BOTW engine.
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HyperPuma posted:guys... is super mario world not perfect for switch? I think yes... just perfect
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