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Crazycryodude posted:You're right, one nuke isn't all that potent in the grand scheme of things. If you take one nuke, keep it your deepest darkest secret, and have some eggheads work on copying it, however....... Sunshine on tap is a very powerful thing. Thats not how production of nuclear weapons work.
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Crazycryodude posted:Alternative solution: Hand it over to the IAEA, but on the condition that the public never hears a peep. Then, win the Mitsu civil war for Julie, and have an eternally gratefully Mitsu and an eternally grateful international intelligence community/IAEA, with none of that hassling news coverage or collapse of the Japanese government or turbo-pissed China and whatnot. RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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omegasgundam posted:You know, this is the sort of poo poo fight that that may warrants us getting out own external support. Does Zack still have any friends in Langley? I have to imagine that the Company would be jump all over this like flies on a turd. A change to gently caress with Russian, China, Taiwan, get leverage over some Japanacorps, AND do some good propping up the idea of US sovereignty? They wouldn't miss this for the world. Also, they have to like the idea of Ted getting his hands on a nuke as much as everyone else, so they might be able to reign him in. I'd rather this over supporting the woman who was responsible for at least one nuke already going off. We throw in with her, we'd be hoping her involvement never comes to light. Once we get paid, who cares who runs Mitsu?
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sniper4625 posted:I'd rather this over supporting the woman who was responsible for at least one nuke already going off. We throw in with her, we'd be hoping her involvement never comes to light. Once we get paid, who cares who runs Mitsu? Good point.
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Crazycryodude posted:Alternative solution: Hand it over to the IAEA, but on the condition that the public never hears a peep. Then, win the Mitsu civil war for Julie, and have an eternally gratefully Mitsu and an eternally grateful international intelligence community/IAEA, with none of that hassling news coverage or collapse of the Japanese government or turbo-pissed China and whatnot. Who are you and what have you done with the real Crazycryodude? More to the point, first we must secure the nuke. Who knows, it may already be in Nugent's hands, and the final mission will require us to coordinate a strike with Blue Star, Canada Express, and SMARF to bring him down before he leaves the theater with it.
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orcbuster posted:Thats not how production of nuclear weapons work. nukes aren't complex, it's getting the materials. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Question about the garbage pile we bought: 7 of the 8 links in the Thunderdome results link to the cold war DB. Yooper, do you have some crazy hybrid DB that you'd holding out on us with or is there an equivalent in the modern DB we should be using?
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power crystals posted:Question about the garbage pile we bought: 7 of the 8 links in the Thunderdome results link to the cold war DB. Yooper, do you have some crazy hybrid DB that you'd holding out on us with or is there an equivalent in the modern DB we should be using? You mean the "rewards" or the planes actually used in the Thunderdome?
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Dreamsicle posted:You mean the "rewards" or the planes actually used in the Thunderdome? Rewards. Only the MiG-23BN links to the modern DB.
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well, they're all in the DB we're using as well, except for Soviet Farmers, and theres Chinese copies for those. The Sovs kept stuff in service for a long rear end time.
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power crystals posted:Question about the garbage pile we bought: 7 of the 8 links in the Thunderdome results link to the cold war DB. Yooper, do you have some crazy hybrid DB that you'd holding out on us with or is there an equivalent in the modern DB we should be using? What Nick Esasky said. Though this is something I need to keep in mind for future crap plane events as some stuff doesn't translate over.
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Yooper posted:What Nick Esasky said. Though this is something I need to keep in mind for future crap plane events as some stuff doesn't translate over. I can only hope this is your way of saying "our next mission involves stealing a space shuttle, getting it flight worthy, and using it to steal a secret military space station."
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sebmojo posted:nukes aren't complex, it's getting the materials. Gun/implosion designs are rather simple. they are also large or relatively weak and generally not used today. Teller/Ulam fusion boosted fission devices which are the base for all modern designs however are quite complex. Pakistan and North Korea for example are not believed to be capable of producing them. orcbuster fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Yooper, you've got the outline for one hell of an airport novel coming together here.
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Operation Perfect Storm Theory: I'm trying to use as few of our good planes as possible, so this is a relatively conservative plan in terms of what we're expending. Also, let's let the museum pieces see their day. Nobody seems super eager to use most of them anyway, and when our fancy poo poo can't see through the clouds why not let some 1960s relic fly in on the deck to unleash 240mm rockets (  ) on something?Also I skipped the last two missions and I figured I should submit one of these again just to have the variety to choose from.  ROE:
General Illuminati Flight Composition: 1x S100B, 1x MQ-9B (Gorgon Stare) Orders: Base at Laven. Hold position at point I. Only launch the Reaper if the weather is clear enough that the Gorgon Stare pods stand a reasonable chance of locating anything on the ground (I expect this to be unlikely); if so, Reaper holds at point R, or farther back if doing so would place it in Mamba range. Big Pig Flight Composition: 1x KC-135 Orders: Base at Laven. Hold position at point P. Little Pig Flight Composition: 1x S100B Orders: Base at Laven. Remain on ground unless Big Pig runs out of fuel. Hold position at point P. Rapier Flight Composition: 2x JAS-39C Gripen (4x Meteor), 2x Phantom (4x AMRAAM) Orders: Gripens go up first. Phantoms remain on ground and switch off when Gripens are out of BVR missiles or otherwise become unavailable, and swap back once the Phantoms are do the same. Provide CAP as required. Patrol along the purple triangle (adjusting as necessary to avoid the Mamba while it's operational) while there are no visible targets. Pike Flight Composition: 2x Phantom (4x AMRAAM) Orders: Reserve. Launch only if active and standby CAP would be insufficient to engage visible hostiles with a margin of four BVR missiles. Trident Flight Composition: 3x Tornado (2x Sea Eagle) Orders: Base at Laven. Reserve. Launch only if sea-based targets are spotted that Dunkirkers cannot trivially defeat or are out of position to engage. Phase 1 Objective: Sanitize the LZ for Cobbie. Rapier goes up first. Launch Stampede once Illuminati, Big Pig, and Rapier are in position. Cobbie launches once Avalanche and Tsunami report that the area appears clear for landing. Cobbie should attempt to ingress along the yellow arrow. Stampede Flight Composition: 2x F-16 (2x HARM), 3x Tornado (5x ALARM), 1x Su-17M-3 (1x AS-9), 1x EA-6B (5x Jammer) Orders: Engage hostile radar targets along the coastline; particular attention to the two search radars for the Mamba. Remain within the Prowler's jammer envelope until radar contacts are destroyed. RTB Tornadoes when ALARMs are expended or when it is believed no further targets remain. F-16s remain on station to provide CAP. EA-6B remains on station until the completion of the mission. Avalanche Flight Composition: 2x Kfir (2x SPICE 1000), 2x A-11 (2x Maverick) Orders: Launch once Stampede reports target area is clear. Destroy Mamba launcher(s). Once Mamba is destroyed, clear beach at point C of any visible hostiles. Any remaining munitions after that should go to destroying SSM sites. Prefer SSMs farther from Provideniya. Tsunami Flight Composition: 1x MiG-19PM (8x FAB-250M-54), 1x MiG-21bis (4x S-24), 1x MiG-23ML (4x S-24), 1x MiG-19S (8x FAB-250M-54), 1x Su-7BKL ( Orders: Launch after Avalanche. Clear beach at point C of any visible hostiles; any remaining munitions should go to destroying SSM sites. Prefer SSMs nearer to Provideniya. Avoid known surface-to-air systems. Katana Flight Composition: 1x Su-15TM (2x R-98MR + 2x R-98MT) Orders: Escort Tsunami. Probably accomplish almost nothing. power crystals fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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orcbuster posted:Gun/implosion designs are rather simple. they are also large or relatively weak and generally not used today. Teller/Ulam fusion boosted fission devices which are the base for all modern designs however are quite complex. Pakistan and North Korea for example are not believed to be capable of producing them.
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power crystals posted:Operation Perfect Storm Hey, nice to see a new plan in the works! The one thing that I think you'll definitely want to fix is that you mention some units holding back while the Mamba is still active, but I can't see anything actively targeting the Mamba, unless that's the intended role of AVALANCHE flight.
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My understanding was that taking out all the radars would effectively blind the Mamba and render it useless (... though thinking about it, maybe not given CMANO's weird perfect datalinks). e: well that's the first time I've hit post and not been the bottom post when it loaded. Good timing there 
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Crazycryodude posted:Yeah that's what I was getting at. Making a lovely fission firecracker is literal high school level knowledge in this day and age. You get into more miniaturized/advanced designs and especially fusion weapons, though, and even if the basic concepts are on Wikipedia the actual details are classified and hard to figure out. I was banking on this being one of the megaton-level fusion bombs that K-219 was probably carrying, because cracking open one of those would be actually informative. unless the hired goons have an actual physicist on staff it wouldn't be informative to any of us
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power crystals posted:My understanding was that taking out all the radars would effectively blind the Mamba and render it useless (... though thinking about it, maybe not given CMANO's weird perfect datalinks). They might still be able to acquire visual locks, especially when AVALANCHE comes back for phase 2. Also, counting up your aircraft usage, you're using up nine Tornadoes (three Sea Eagle reserves, 3 ALARMs, 3 Brimstones). Thanks to Cobbie's ex-wife, we have seven for this mission. Don't mean to nitpick, just that it might be better to ease off on the reserves.
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Davin Valkri posted:They might still be able to acquire visual locks, especially when AVALANCHE comes back for phase 2. The ALARMs are swapped for the Brimstones between phases 1 and 2 (Stampede's orders states as much). I will put in a line about specifically taking out the launcher in phase 1.
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power crystals posted:The ALARMs are swapped for the Brimstones between phases 1 and 2 (Stampede's orders states as much). I will put in a line about specifically taking out the launcher in phase 1. That takes six hours. We have five or so to execute this phase of the op.
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Davin Valkri posted:That takes six hours. We have five or so to execute this phase of the op. Where do you get five? All I've seen is Yooper posted:* Assume this to be a multi phase operation. We won't do this all at once. Think Landing. Advance. Hold. And the rearm isn't required until the second half of the operation (albeit my phases don't match that example). Was this brought up only in the discord or something?
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power crystals posted:Where do you get five? All I've seen is OH! You're planning across multiple phases! I was told we were supposed to treat each phase as a separate operation, so that Yooper could add surprises as the island invasion progressed.
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Davin Valkri posted:OH! You're planning across multiple phases! I was told we were supposed to treat each phase as a separate operation, so that Yooper could add surprises as the island invasion progressed. Oh well that makes sense, though it also falls under "things I don't remember ever reading in this thread". I'll leave the original part up (mostly as I don't feel like deleting that, that poo poo takes forever to format) but yeah it'd just be Phase 1 then. e: changed my mind and just saved a copy of the original draft in case this is wrong. e2: thinking about it, this seems like the obvious intended reading, but I think my mind is preternaturally disposed to reading "phase" as "segment of an operation". This is probably due to my day job, where that is literally the definition of a phase
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I think we are all geatly misunderstanding the value of the nuke. As a weapon, it's worthless. We can't do anything serious with it ourselves, as we have no possible way of getting more and once we use it, we are doomed to massive retaliation. The real value of the bomb is not the weapon, but the story. It would prove that Japan was directly involved in killing millions of Chinese and causing China to collapse. You had better believe the Chinese will pay top dollar for that proof to return the favor to Japan. And Japan of course will pay to bury this forever. From there, who else would love to have perfect black mail on Japan? Russia, the US, maybe India even would be at the top of the list. If we can recover the bomb intact, there is no way we will keep it, but I am looking forward to some interesting ways to dispose of it for massive profit. With that all in mind, we still need to get it. I would suggest any missions from this point on include a naval interdiction element, to make sure no ships get close enough to collect the bomb, and if one does that it is sunk before we face the horror of Ted Nugent, Nuclear Power.
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cannonfodder43 posted:I think we are all geatly misunderstanding the value of the nuke. As a weapon, it's worthless. We can't do anything serious with it ourselves, as we have no possible way of getting more and once we use it, we are doomed to massive retaliation. In this case, there's more than one degree of separation between the Japanese government and Mitsu, but in the court of public/political opinion that's mostly irrelevant. I think one of the potential BIG payoffs would be getting the political leverage to do some arm twisting procurement wise. Even if we can't get it all in direct combat assets, it would do wonders for our logistical support. Or we can just buy ourselves out and go full private company.
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UberJew posted:unless the hired goons have an actual physicist on staff it wouldn't be informative to any of us Hello, yes? I'm not a physicist in the truest sense of the word, but degrees in nuclear engineering are mostly applied physics.
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If we can get our hands on a Kirov then Olo could get the reactor working again. So we've got that working for us.
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So what exactl are the various strategic plans/possibilities folks have tossed out if we can /get/ the nuke and get proof?
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Well, from a narrative perspective the easiest way to find the nukes approximate location would be combining different sources of intelligence to get an idea of what is where. Here are a few places to start. Examine satellite images to identify what sites were used by ANGRYpeace, what they were clearly used for, and what else they could be used for. Review geotagged images in social media posts to figure out where there was a persistent ANGRYpeace presence. Use publically available info to narrow down places that could and couldn't hide a bomb. An off-road clearing close to a road is more likely to be a hiding spot than a cave that can only be reached by scaling a cliff by hand. This is starting to feel like a question for Brown Moses. He does this stuff for a living. Would it be appropriate to ask for his input?
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Unless they put the nuke on the sub and all of this searching is moot because no one actually knows we just sent it to the bottom. In which case we get to cover an operation to dredge it up again in the future. Don't think it's likely but that's the kind of twist that could happen.
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If you've got a plan coming together please let me know. I'm going to get the voting going shortly. Once we're actually on the island we'll do some more infodumps, see some more comedy, and then move into the next phase. This may, or may not, be chronologically immediate.
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I'm seriously considering some modifications to Perfume
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omegasgundam posted:You know, this is the sort of poo poo fight that that may warrants us getting out own external support. Does Zack still have any friends in Langley? I have to imagine that the Company would be jump all over this like flies on a turd. A change to gently caress with Russian, China, Taiwan, get leverage over some Japanacorps, AND do some good propping up the idea of US sovereignty? They wouldn't miss this for the world. Also, they have to like the idea of Ted getting his hands on a nuke as much as everyone else, so they might be able to reign him in. We just picked up a new client... Tell Zack to ring up Langley, let them know we can get them that nuke. Our price? $550 million. Half now, half when the job is done. Oh, and a 50% discount on some Navy Hornets... We're perfect for a snatch-and-grab like this. Deniable, highly-capable, and discreet. We're a hell of a lot more stable and trustworthy than BSNC (*ahem* Poor Impulse Control) and Iceberg (Ted loving Nugent) and we've got the air, land, and naval power to get the job done.
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power crystals posted:Operation Perfect Storm Why do you have the MiGs and the Su-17 carrying unguided weapons? They can carry guided air-to-ground missiles. And the Su-17 has an excellent ARM that's probably better than the glitchy-rear end ALARMs.
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Crazycryodude posted:Alternative solution: Hand it over to the IAEA, but on the condition that the public never hears a peep. Then, win the Mitsu civil war for Julie, and have an eternally gratefully Mitsu and an eternally grateful international intelligence community/IAEA, with none of that hassling news coverage or collapse of the Japanese government or turbo-pissed China and whatnot. Bacarruda posted:We just picked up a new client... Wonder if we can combine the two, and get double-paid. Would the CIA pay for a discreet handoff to IAEA?
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I think this situation is dangerous and complex enough without trying to ransom off a Chinese warhead to the chucklefuck intelligence agency.
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paragon1 posted:I think this situation is dangerous and complex enough without trying to ransom off a Chinese warhead to the chucklefuck intelligence agency. Russian warhead. It's a slight, but important, difference.
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