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landgrabber posted:Being incredibly intelligent doesn't neccessarily make someone a Mary Sue, though - he was abused as a child and has self destructive tendancies, he doesn't want to live up to his full potential either - he's averse to getting better. He has big emotional issues. Mary Sue is sort of a loose term but before I saw the film I thought he was just a maths genius who came from a bad background but in actuality Hunting is such a ridiculous character I couldn't believe it was a film people took seriously. He's smart in a way that sounds like it was written by a high-schooler, not just a maths genius, but also a history genius, a literature genius, a philosophy genius, a legal genius, any discipline you throw at him and he's at least on the level of the professionals in those fields he's talking too at the ripe old age of twenty. He has tons of friends and most people seem to think he's the tits in short order, and those who don't he destroys with his rapier wit, prompting 1997 Minnie Driver to start sleeping with him. And of course he's got a bodybuilder's abs to kick you rear end in fight if he needs too along with Matt Damon's cute face, regardless of hair. And to top it all off he's played by Matt Damon from a script he wrote himself along with Affleck, I know that he's meant to have problems stemming from abuse but they serve to make him seem more vulnerable and deep and result from difficulties he had no control over, which is a common thing about Mary Sue's too. Just really feels like the quintessential Mary Sue to me!
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Dreylad posted:Also on the subject of money and youtube content, it totally is about the cash. Jordan Peterson gets paid $160,000 from his tenured position at the University of Toronto but he's still raking in more money with his Patreon to the tune of *checks* holy poo poo $50k a month??? He was literally on a white supremacist show by some English chick. Tara something. I saw a tweet with his video right next to another video from that channel discussing the Jewish Question. Fine company he keeps. Reminds me when I read Hans Herman Hoppe's Rational Wiki profile and in one of his meetings, the program had one speech titled: "Why are the Jews so Smart?"
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Groovelord Neato posted:true, dubya is the better example. sorta too. but dubya only looks "good' because trump is worse and because the media jerks of to the west wing ideal of political parity. Mr Interweb posted:
same to you. hoping to use my minor in homeland to get a job somewhere, if not its mesuem/national park work forever.  khwarezm posted:Mary Sue is sort of a loose term but before I saw the film I thought he was just a maths genius who came from a bad background but in actuality Hunting is such a ridiculous character I couldn't believe it was a film people took seriously. He's smart in a way that sounds like it was written by a high-schooler, not just a maths genius, but also a history genius, a literature genius, a philosophy genius, a legal genius, any discipline you throw at him and he's at least on the level of the professionals in those fields he's talking too at the ripe old age of twenty. He has tons of friends and most people seem to think he's the tits in short order, and those who don't he destroys with his rapier wit, prompting 1997 Minnie Driver to start sleeping with him. And of course he's got a bodybuilder's abs to kick you rear end in fight if he needs too along with Matt Damon's cute face, regardless of hair. And to top it all off he's played by Matt Damon from a script he wrote himself along with Affleck, I know that he's meant to have problems stemming from abuse but they serve to make him seem more vulnerable and deep and result from difficulties he had no control over, which is a common thing about Mary Sue's too. yeah mary sue/gary stu/whatever is pretty much that. magicaly perfect characters who are great at everything and never fail. rey never struck me as one, my only issue with her is she is kinda flat character wise, while finn sorta has a arc and poe is wedge on steroids. i honestly found kylo/ben the most interesting because he is basicaly inverse darth vader and anakin done right.
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NikkolasKing posted:He was literally on a white supremacist show by some English chick. Tara something. I saw a Tweet with his video right next to another video discussing the Jewish Question. Fine company he keeps. Reminds me when I read Hans Herman Hoppe's Rational Wiki profile and in one of his meetings, the the program had one speech titled: "Why are the Jews so Smart?" I liked the time on sam harris show where he vows to destroy post-modernism but can't establish what "truth" is. guy pulls in 3/4 of a million a year give or take the exchange rate to write freudian biblical studies lectures and do the bare minimum course load he has to gently caress me
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sorta too. but dubya only looks "good' because trump is worse and because the media jerks of to the west wing ideal of political parity. Liberals cede ground too easily. They've already accepted Ronald Reagan as not pure evil and they are now saying Bush Jr. wasn't so bad, he was just surrounded by a cabal of evil geniuses. 10 years from now, "was Trump that bad?"
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something that's always bothered me about the "rationals" and it's something that comes up in the destiny debates is them crying about emotion. these people seem to think objectivity means to have no emotion or preference on a subject but as gould said in mismeasure of man (a book all those clowns need to read since they all jerk off over the bell curve) objectivity is about data it doesn't mean you have to be totally noncommittal and neutral. it infuriates me that the american criminal justice is racist BECAUSE the data shows it to be - i don't believe it just because of some nebulous emotion (this never even made sense why would i have this fury about the justice system being racist if there was no data to make me furious??). i am upset about these subjects because the data shows them to be true and people keep pretending like it isn't happening. it's especially annoying that they cry about "appeal[s] to emotion" when none of the data is on their side. just one specific example of the jontron/destiny "debate" that pissed me off - johnny tronny says that wealthy black youth go to jail four times as often as poor white youth (it's more like three times but close enough). he just leaves it there to prove black people have some propensity for crime. the problem is poor white youth commit crime at four times the rate of wealthy black youth. he used a loving data point that proves him wrong. how are they all so loving stupid. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's especially annoying that they cry about "appeal[s] to emotion" when none of the data is on their side. "I'm a liberal/centrist" = "Socialism is murder, vote conservative" "I believe in equality for both genders" = "Men are the new oppressed minority and women need to return to being housewives" "I believe in free speech" = "Stop telling me that my talking points about blacks being inherently prone to criminal behaviour is hate speech and racist" "I'm not a nazi" = "Hitler did nothing wrong" crime weed fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Ah but if you keep saying you are then it becomes true.
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So has anyone else seen Sargon on Joe Rogan? He really didn't seem that harmful. Maybe egocentric and a wannabe intellectual, sure, but is it that bad? Somebody mentioned Jordan Peterson, I find his case fascinating - he's like this weird amalgamation of Terrence Mckenna, C.S.Lewis and Ben Shapiro. He has a cult following which is just in love with him. An alt-right Messiah, no wonder people happy to pay a tithe to him.
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Monglo posted:So has anyone else seen Sargon on Joe Rogan? He really didn't seem that harmful. Maybe egocentric and a wannabe intellectual, sure, but is it that bad? holy poo poo that piece of poo poo Rogan. I hate that right wing piece of poo poo coward so much. If by being a complete liar who doesnt read the studies he cites, harassed a woman and ruined her life for two years, and provides a gateway into neo-nazism, right wing ignorance and racism for far too many people and being an outright idiot clod then yes he is that bad, the only reason why he seemed normal in that interview is that rogan is a rightwing piece of poo poo like him. utter loving human garbage. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Joe Rogan believes the moon landing was a hoax. I'm sure the rational Carl Benjamin would have strong objections to such misinformation?
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Joe Rogan is a like Trump - the last person to talk to him is the last person he believes.
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Deified Data posted:Joe Rogan is a like Trump - the last person to talk to him is the last person he believes. Yeah, true, but he did butt heads with Sargon about the age of the sphynx and ancient civilizations, so it wasn't like he got stoned and just agreed with everything. Also, pretty sure Rogan doesn't believe moon landing was a hoax and it's unfair to call him Right-wing.
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Monglo posted:
He did, now he doesn't know. There's a clip on YouTube about it. Rogan's a fun guy, but a complete and utter moron. My shoe has more functioning brain cells than him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A584kiFqBBI
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Monglo posted:Yeah, true, but he did butt heads with Sargon about the age of the sphynx and ancient civilizations, so it wasn't like he got stoned and just agreed with everything. Yeah, Rogan falls for a lot of right-wing bullshit by virtue of leaning towards libertarianism. From what I can remember, he'll repeat a lot of conservative bullshit unless he's called out on it.
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Monglo posted:Yeah, true, but he did butt heads with Sargon about the age of the sphynx and ancient civilizations, so it wasn't like he got stoned and just agreed with everything. Was Carl making weird claims about Egypt? Like Atlantis poo poo? Calling ancient Egyptians white?
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I find it easier believing that the pyramids were invented by aliens or something than believing that Sargon has ever had sex.
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business hammocks posted:Was Carl making weird claims about Egypt? Like Atlantis poo poo? Calling ancient Egyptians white? Nah, it was pretty civil, as I said, for a person who's not familiar with Sargon, he came off just maybe slightly pretentious - he didn't say anything crazy, but when you bring all this SJW/anti-SJW bullshit over to the real world it's hard not to sound like that. That's why the conversation wasn't that interesting, I found. Rogan probably was expecting Sargon to go on a crazy rant but nothing really happened. About Egypt, it was Rogan who was telling Sargon about all this evidence of ancient advanced civilizations and that Sphynx might be tens of thousands years - much older than suspected. Sargon was justifiably sceptical, I think.
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Who What Now posted:He managed to not get shot down by the tens of thousands of AA cannons. That's pretty crazy. I mean strictly so do quite a few other people, the previous wing has to get shot down by darth vader and his two goons after flying directly at the moon sized space station bristling with laser cannons and legions of fighters. Same with the random A wing pilot kamikazeing the Executor in the third film, star wars runs on plot convenience rather than any sense of scale.
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That's what happens when you straight up steal far better executed scenes from 633 Squadron and just turn the spaceman dials up to 11.
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Monglo posted:Nah, it was pretty civil, as I said, for a person who's not familiar with Sargon, he came off just maybe slightly pretentious - he didn't say anything crazy, but when you bring all this SJW/anti-SJW bullshit over to the real world it's hard not to sound like that. Sargon really shines when you put him up against a moronic rube, as he successfully completed 3/4 of compulsory education before dropping out. The real damage he causes comes from thinking that everyone who disagrees with him is a moronic rube and that he's anything other than absolutely mediocre in reasoning or understanding.
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Weirdo far right millionaries are giving these creeps their Patreon money right?
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Lightning Lord posted:Weirdo far right millionaries are giving these creeps their Patreon money right? you misspelled millennials
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I kinda regret comparing the treatment of competent female characters vs their male counterparts given the amount of Star Wars discussion it triggered, but it is kind of telling that rather than address the broader point it devolved into arguing the mechanics of plot & particular films ad infinitum. Y'know it's okay for pieces of art to be flawed mechanically, especially pop culture art for mass consumption which is almost guaranteed to be. The constant droning on about plot mechanics to validate this or that is why cinema criticism has become such a wasteland.
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Maluco Marinero posted:I kinda regret comparing the treatment of competent female characters vs their male counterparts given the amount of Star Wars discussion it triggered, but it is kind of telling that rather than address the broader point it devolved into arguing the mechanics of plot & particular films ad infinitum. Y'know it's okay for pieces of art to be flawed mechanically, especially pop culture art for mass consumption which is almost guaranteed to be. The constant droning on about plot mechanics to validate this or that is why cinema criticism has become such a wasteland. Nerds on the internet like to argue about Star Wars? Well I never 
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Maluco Marinero posted:I kinda regret comparing the treatment of competent female characters vs their male counterparts given the amount of Star Wars discussion it triggered, but it is kind of telling that rather than address the broader point it devolved into arguing the mechanics of plot & particular films ad infinitum. Y'know it's okay for pieces of art to be flawed mechanically, especially pop culture art for mass consumption which is almost guaranteed to be. The constant droning on about plot mechanics to validate this or that is why cinema criticism has become such a wasteland. I think part of it is because the reasoning they write off the competent female characters involves droning on about plot mechanics.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Except all Rey does it use the force suggestion ability once and battle a whiny kid with lightsabers to a draw. How is that "like a video game character". It's good that you don't play many videogames, so let me explain. Rey single handedly escapes her prison, as opposed to being rescued like Leia and Han were. She also beats Kylo single handedly even if he was injured she out forces him when pulling Luke's Lazer sword out of the snow. She also happens to fly and repair the Millennium falcon on par or better than Han Solo. She is basically either the best or focus of everything which is how video games treat the main player. The only divergence is that she didn't do poo poo to help blow up the death star plant sun eater thing. And can everyone please stop being wrong about movies and Mary(Gary?) Sue(Stu?) Characters. Most of you are wrong.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyXhdzgGOSc A debate between a "liberal" and a progressive. Figure some people here might enjoy this, especially given all the talk going on lately about the future of the Democratic Party. I would describe myself as pretty Progressive/Leftist/whatever but from all I've seen, Sam isn't a bad guy. He supported Sanders, he supported Ellison, he's called out Hillary's stuff like her slaves. He apparently had some disagreement with Jimmy Dore but I dunno what it was over. In terms of policy and politics, I don't even know what separates Sam and Jimmy. Plus this Tim Black guy isn't exactly my ideal representative for Progressives. I dunno if any of the Leftist News guys on YT really say what I think, unless you count Democracy Now! maybe. Amy Goodman is awesome. EDIT: Hell, I was just listening to the last Chapo Trap House from a week ago and Sam echoed something they said.This "anti-Trump movement" isn't a revolution at all. It's just against Trump, it won't change anything.If Trump got impeached tomorrow, all this furor would die down even though Pence is arguably worse. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Rey is 'overpowered', but the film is all about how her terrifying potential is what draws conflict to her when all she wants is to go home and have her family back. Rey resembles her grandfather more than Kylo Ren could ever hope to.
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NikkolasKing posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyXhdzgGOSc I actually just saw that myself, an hour ago. Any "progressive" who believes in even the possibility of Seth Rich being murdered by the DNC/HIllary deserves to be kicked in the teeth. And he tries to slither out of it by saying he was "just asking questions". gently caress off.
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Mr Interweb posted:I actually just saw that myself, an hour ago. Yeah people get shot in the back of the head at 4am for no real reason
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Yeah people get shot in the back of the head at 4am for no real reason Really? We're really gonna do this?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OoagT4NYlw As someone who's always been very "collectivist-minded" I did read the Doctrine of Fascism. It's pretty bad fora whole host of reasons but to combine it with Anarchism? The two are as opposite as it is possible to be on the political spectrum. Fascism is the reverence of the State, to envision yourself and all other citizens as merely "cells" within the "body" of the State. You have no meaning apart from what you contribute to the State. Proudhon weeps at how his ideology and term have been perverted by morons.
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The Clintons aren't very good at this political assassination stuff, first Vince Foster now Seth Rich. Jesus Christ, make it look like an accident you morons!
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khwarezm posted:The Clintons aren't very good at this political assassination stuff, first Vince Foster now Seth Rich. You have no idea how deep this goes. There were almost 40,000 people who died in car "accidents" last year alone. Will the Clinton reign of terror ever end!?
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Is there anything that covers the whole Whitewater/Vince Foster thing? I was young when it happened and know just the short summery. "Clintons had a land deal that went south, and a business partner turned up dead"
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BigRed0427 posted:Is there anything that covers the whole Whitewater/Vince Foster thing? I was young when it happened and know just the short summery. "Clintons had a land deal that went south, and a business partner turned up dead" He killed himself because he believed he would be ruined by the uncovering of his illegal property dealings, dealings tangentially and irrelevantly connected to Bill Clinton's property purchases.
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NikkolasKing posted:Liberals cede ground too easily. They've already accepted Ronald Reagan as not pure evil and they are now saying Bush Jr. wasn't so bad, he was just surrounded by a cabal of evil geniuses. Liberals enjoy the feeling of finding common ground with their ideological opponents, because they feel like doing so intrinsically makes them more open-minded and reasonable. I think that there's also some sort of sense that, by ceding ground on some issues, they can gain a sort of "political capital" to use later in a discussion (for example "I acknowledged this aspect of your argument so surely you should acknowledge some aspect of mine in return"). Both these things are understandable feelings to have, but they're obviously still dumb and wrong. Ultimately, this is a reflection of the fact that liberals have no real ideology or conviction of their own beyond opposition to elements of other peoples' ideologies. They know that they dislike some things conservatives want*, but they don't really have any ideal for how the future should be that goes beyond repelling threats to the status quo. Sometimes they might say something about wanting to revive New Deal policies, but generally speaking this only comes up if you specifically pressure them to articulate their ideal future; if left to their own devices, liberals will almost always choose to focus all their effort on condemning Republicans. *And honestly I think a lot of this is dependent upon cultural identifiers. Someone who identifies as a liberal and doesn't have various characteristics associated with being conservative (like being old, white, and generally socially conservative) can get away with proposing the same sort of stuff as conservatives, provided they avoid any sort of language that overtly sounds conservative (*cough* Jon Ossoff *cough*). The same thing is true for conservatives, who are often willing to consider liberal ideas as long as they're wrapped up in language they haven't already been taught to disagree with.
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