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Bite my bag (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 26, 2017 22:29
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Lord Hydronium posted:This, but unironically. You just like bad writing or something?
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Jun 26, 2017 23:50
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Judakel posted:You just like bad writing or something? What's bad about the writing?
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Jun 27, 2017 00:16
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Starship go boom! Lots of explosions! Whoosh! Clone trooper go bye bye in explosion! Yeah! gently caress Yeah! Giant spaceships! Actually witty dialouge. Oh no he crash! But jump out and kill droids! Yeah! gently caress Yeah! Kill Droids! Best scene!!! Academy Award!!!!! Anyway, opening to RotS is good.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:59
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The Prequels would have been massively better if they featured a single hardcore, pornographic sex scene. Seriously think about it.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:52
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porfiria posted:The Prequels would have been massively better if they featured a single hardcore, pornographic sex scene. Seriously think about it. Have you seen AotC? 
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Jun 27, 2017 02:53
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I'm not talking about this dimestore Freudian plain sight Victorian two step repressed bullshit. I'm talking two beautiful, sweaty bodies pounding the living gently caress out of each other captured on celluloid and projected onto theatre screens across the country.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:57
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Star Wars: dimestore Freudian plain sight Victorian two step repressed bullshit I think it is well past time to update the thread title and we aren't going to get much goonier than this.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:01
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I cannot begin to comprehend why anyone would not want to see Christopher Lee and Zam Wessel (nonhuman form) locked in coitus. I understand that you don't but I don't understand why.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:06
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We watched TFA tonight and man, every time I watch it I swear the dialogue gets worse. Half of it seems like sentence fragments (I'm sure I'm exaggerating), and the coherent bits aren't much better. It's all simple sentences, and lots of it is exposition. I can't believe anyone would both rag on the prequels for the writing, and be happy with this. I mean, it's fun, and everything after Han shouting out Ben's name elevates the rest of it, but let's not kid ourselves.
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Jun 27, 2017 04:58
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Apart from his role as the guy who directed movies for Lucas when he was being too weird to do it himself but he still sat there like a fat incubus and whispered in his ear nonstop, Kasdan's best received film was Crash 15 years before the actual Crash (not the cool one) and it's equally awful
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Jun 27, 2017 06:29
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Lawrence Kasdan didn't direct any Star Wars movies.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:42
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Yeah i hosed that up be he should still get the hell out
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Jun 27, 2017 06:51
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porfiria posted:I'm not talking about this dimestore Freudian plain sight Victorian two step repressed bullshit. I'm talking two beautiful, sweaty bodies pounding the living gently caress out of each other captured on celluloid and projected onto theatre screens across the country. It was Natalie Portman's understanding that this would happen and why she lobbied so hard for Hayden Christensen to be cast. Her disappointment from seeing it cut from the shooting script led directly to her largely disinterested performances in Episodes 2 and 3.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:36
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sassassin posted:It was Natalie Portman's understanding that this would happen and why she lobbied so hard for Hayden Christensen to be cast. Makes sense--is this on the commentary?
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Jun 27, 2017 19:11
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porfiria posted:I'm not talking about this dimestore Freudian plain sight Victorian two step repressed bullshit. I'm talking two beautiful, sweaty bodies pounding the living gently caress out of each other captured on celluloid and projected onto theatre screens across the country. And just when people were starting to turn on Lawrence Kasdan, it turns out we need the director of Body Heat now more than ever.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:32
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porfiria posted:Makes sense--is this on the commentary? Yeah Portman talked about wanting to get dicked down in a full penatrative sex scene for so long and in such explicit detail that they had to move her over to her own solo commentary track.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:40
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Schwarzwald posted:What's bad about the writing? The characters have absolutely nothing memorable about them. They're less than one dimensional. It squanders a million opportunities to do something fun or interesting with its plot. Uh oh we have to sneak into this facility but we might be discovered if they see through our disguises oh watchout they're questioning us and the tension is ramping up and oh wait we just put on uniforms and walked in. Maybe there's a party we have to attend in order to get the location of the archives and we find our agents trying to fool empire bureaucrats in a classic spy game and oh wait... And it doesn't even do anything interesting in lieu of those cliches. Judakel fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 21:07
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I mean fair enough, but it's not like Return of the Jedi was some sort of heist movie either. All these movies are schlocky and simplistic and it takes like 2.5 movies to turn most of them into real characters. And if we're talking bad writing I would say sticking some sort of james bond dinner party disguise caper in the middle of the big desperate space/land attack action sequence at the end of your movie doesn't sound like a good idea either. For better or worse the teams journey through the Scarif archives thing has to move fast or else it'd look like they're just dicking around while a bunch of people are dying outside. Edit: I could see it if they were somehow already engaged in it while someone else was trying to convince the Rebellion to back them up, but putting something like that after the "WE'RE WITH YOU LETS ALL GO gently caress poo poo UP" kickoff wouldn't work for me. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 21:20
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I mean fair enough, but it's not like Return of the Jedi was some sort of heist movie either. All these movies are schlocky and simplistic and it takes like 2.5 movies to turn most of them into real characters. Return is awful so you're right. Although a new hope establishes everyone really well.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:23
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ANH is ridiculously well paced and plotted and I kind of can't blame Kennedy and Abrams for trying to re-do it and kind of fumbling. It feels dense as hell while not actually having that long of a running time. Establishing the inside of the death star before escaping and coming back to have a space battle around it is a stroke of genius. Edit: tbh, the ending (and probably a lot of the movie itself) of R1 is really just a flimsy excuse for Edwards to re-do the end battle of ROTJ. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 21:25
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Judakel posted:The characters have absolutely nothing memorable about them. They're less than one dimensional. It squanders a million opportunities to do something fun or interesting with its plot. Uh oh we have to sneak into this facility but we might be discovered if they see through our disguises oh watchout they're questioning us and the tension is ramping up and oh wait we just put on uniforms and walked in. Maybe there's a party we have to attend in order to get the location of the archives and we find our agents trying to fool empire bureaucrats in a classic spy game and oh wait... And it doesn't even do anything interesting in lieu of those cliches. So the writing is bad because it's not the script you wrote in your mind ahead of time, and doesn't have enough clichés.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:31
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Pachakuti posted:So the writing is bad because it's not the script you wrote in your mind ahead of time, and doesn't have enough clichés. But why isn't it an adaption of the Shadows of the Empire trilogy!? That should be the real sequel trilogy! *faps to Mara Jade porn*
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Jun 27, 2017 21:34
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Pachakuti posted:So the writing is bad because it's not the script you wrote in your mind ahead of time, and doesn't have enough clichés. No, it is bad because it has nothing good in lieu of those things, but you're welcomed to like your awful movie.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:36
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Judakel posted:No, it is bad because it has nothing good in lieu of those things, but you're welcomed to like your awful movie. I don't think you read my post at all, since you're suggesting your imagined movie was reaaaaalllly shittily written. Or maybe you have critically low self-esteem.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:43
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Pachakuti posted:I don't think you read my post at all, since you're suggesting your imagined movie was reaaaaalllly shittily written. Or maybe you have critically low self-esteem. I can't believe I have to I have to explain this, but when someone writes "nothing good in lieu of", the other thing can also be good. Since they are cliches, and you're suggesting this is a problem for a Star Wars movie, then I am stating that they should've come up with something good and original that wasn't cliched and good. They didn't. This is what happens when you get your feelings hurt and try to argue.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:52
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Judakel posted:The characters have absolutely nothing memorable about them. They're less than one dimensional.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:59
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Judakel posted:I can't believe I have to I have to explain this, but when someone writes "nothing good in lieu of", the other thing can also be good. Since they are cliches, and you're suggesting this is a problem for a Star Wars movie, then I am stating that they should've come up with something good and original that wasn't cliched and good. They didn't. You shouldn't let movies hurt your feelings then. It's a little unhealthy.
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Jun 27, 2017 22:01
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A statement like "less than one dimensional" is obviously not one you can argue with, because it's transparently idiotic to say about any movie and solely an example of a blowhard trying to gussy up "I dun like it".
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Jun 27, 2017 22:01
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Lord Hydronium posted:I mean, this particular conversation started off with you describing them, so they must be memorable enough for that. They all have pretty clear motivations and personalities, and for better or worse, I'd say they're about as developed as the characters in ANH - fairly basic archetypes and straightforward character arcs, with enough that we understand what makes them do what they do, and the actors fleshing out the portrayal in the script into a more well-realized individual. Hahahaha. What is orphan girl's character arc? Don't say from rogue to rebel because she acts no different at the beginning than she does at the end.
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Jun 27, 2017 22:07
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Pachakuti posted:A statement like "less than one dimensional" is obviously not one you can argue with, because it's transparently idiotic to say about any movie and solely an example of a blowhard trying to gussy up "I dun like it". Your literal line of opposition is far more idiotic. I dunnn like itt hurrr. Any more strawmen or goalpost shifting?
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Jun 27, 2017 22:10
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begun, these nerd wars have
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Jun 27, 2017 22:13
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Judakel posted:Hahahaha. What is orphan girl's character arc? Don't say from rogue to rebel because she acts no different at the beginning than she does at the end. At the beginning of the movie she is hiding from the Empire and the man who kidnapped her father and killed her mother. At the end of the movie she risks her life in an attempt to hinder the Empire, and in doing so has her revenge against her parents' killer.
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Jun 27, 2017 22:25
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Rogue One felt like the film adaption of a mediocre Expanded Universe novel. Of course those novels were wildly popular, so one's mileage may vary in terms of how much enjoyment they got out of it.
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Jun 27, 2017 22:27
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Schwarzwald posted:At the beginning of the movie she is hiding from the Empire and the man who kidnapped her father and killed her mother. At the end of the movie she risks her life in an attempt to hinder the Empire, and in doing so has her revenge against her parents' killer. She was 6, so she had little choice... Are you implying not being 6 years old is her arc? Judakel fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 22:30
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There are all good points but it did have a mon calamari ordering X wings to do stuff in a funny voice and ATAT's shooting stuff and blowing up so it is in fact a very good Star War.
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Schwarzwald posted:At the beginning of the movie she is hiding from the Empire and the man who kidnapped her father and killed her mother. At the end of the movie she risks her life in an attempt to hinder the Empire, and in doing so has her revenge against her parents' killer. Judakel posted:She was 6, so she had little choice... Are you implying not being 6 years old is her arc? “It’s not a problem if you don’t look up.” And to be clear, it's not just that one line but her entire actions in the first act of the movie; that one just highlights her attitude best. Lord Hydronium fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 22:34
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Lord Hydronium posted:Not just hiding, she's grown apathetic to the idea of the Empire ruling, as long as it doesn't affect her. Jedda getting nuked in front of her and learning her father risked decades of his own life to stop the Death Star from happening shocks her into not just taking a side, but finding something to fight for (the latter of which is a big part of Cassian's arc too, and why he gets influenced into making his own decision to change). A line can't make up for the fact there is no real sense of who this character is prior to the rebellion being introduced to her. She is introduced and is about as blank a slate as you can possibly imagine. Practically nothing is added on to this canvas. She may as well have been frozen in time when whitaker picked her up. Here is what you learn in the first few minutes of ANH introducing its main characters: Luke is naive, dreams of something more than his life as a farmer, confident. Leia is headstrong, idealistic, and ambitious. Han is arrogant, pragmatic, not idealistic in the least, and morally ambiguous. Judakel fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Judakel posted:She was 6, so she had little choice... Are you implying not being 6 years old is her arc? I am saying that her character arc is her changing from someone who does all she can to survive into someone who's willing to risk her life for her ideals. Judakel posted:A line can't make up for the fact there is no real sense of who this character is prior to the rebellion being introduced to her. She is introduced and is about as blank a slate as you can possibly imagine. Practically nothing is added on to this canvas. She may as well have been frozen in time when whitaker picked her up. If you purposely ignore her dialog and the actions she takes then there is very little left of her character, that is true.
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