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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I also am spectrum as gently caress pretty sure that goes for all of us 
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Jun 26, 2017 14:14
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Stardust is the only comic I recognize sheerly from the bizarre panels people post from it so i'm gonna assume it's entirely this 
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Jun 26, 2017 14:15
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Ever had one of those "don't cross the streams" moments? Here's Nick Land babbling incoherently about blockchains. You can hear him talk too! In speech, this Markov-blockchain gibberish sounds almost coherent. (Once they get the sound problems sorted out.)
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Jun 26, 2017 14:54
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ate all the Oreos posted:Stardust is the only comic I recognize sheerly from the bizarre panels people post from it so i'm gonna assume it's entirely this From what I've read Fletcher Hanks just threw everything he had at the wall and then tore the wall down and built a new one from the rubble Every single one of his comics is batshit insane I think he did the one about Frankenstein freeing all the animals at the zoo too
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Jun 26, 2017 14:55
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divabot posted:Ever had one of those "don't cross the streams" moments? Here's Nick Land babbling incoherently about blockchains. You can hear him talk too! In speech, this Markov-blockchain gibberish sounds almost coherent. (Once they get the sound problems sorted out.) The one thing I appreciated about Moldbug, Land, etc. was that diving into their interminable nonsense didn't require listening to some guy ramble into a webcam for hours on end. Now even that is taken from me.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:18
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Looking through the responses to Nagle's book and man Haha I read up on this book and later on the narrator tried to convince a virginal programmer friend of his to go murder a teen girl and her mixed-race boyfriend to get off. Why yes he DOES refer to the boyfriend using the N word, why do you ask? Real Literature, folks.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:32
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The only thing of Hollerback's work I've actually read was his extremely bad take on Lovecraft.
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Jun 26, 2017 17:37
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Race Realists posted:pretty sure that goes for all of us Sometimes I think having a spectrum-y avatar/tagline/whatever would be useful around here just to forestall all the questions like "why are you melting down over this stupid minor detail?" or "why did you memorize that giant list of technical details?" but then I remember what assholes people can be on the internet, and think maybe it'd be best not to.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:31
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Relevant Tangent posted:The only thing of Hollerback's work I've actually read was his extremely bad take on Lovecraft. The only complimentary things I've read about that book boil down to "Well, I guess it takes one neurotic bigot to really know another"
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Jun 26, 2017 19:06
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I somehow got through all of Submission, which is pretty much just Houellebecq wanking to "White Sharia" before it was cool.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:11
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The only complimentary things I've read about that book boil down to "Well, I guess it takes one neurotic bigot to really know another" Yeah, that's accurate, but it feels slightly unfair to HP. Hollerback is alive right now, he should be better than Lovecraft, not worse
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Jun 26, 2017 20:31
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forget tawdry temporal charitable activities like, oh, buying mosquito nets - how about that time an Effective Altruist literally proposed starting a farm of rats with wires in their pleasure centres because that would increase average world happiness an EA actually found a worse charitable cause than AI risk
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Jun 26, 2017 21:18
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ate all the Oreos posted:Sounds like some kind of... hard man... in hard times... making a hard decision... or something Yeah, great men having the moral courage to make terrible but necesssary decisions is a key part of fascist thought. For sane people, the idea is generally to not get to that point in the first place.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:22
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divabot posted:forget tawdry temporal charitable activities like, oh, buying mosquito nets - how about that time an Effective Altruist literally proposed starting a farm of rats with wires in their pleasure centres because that would increase average world happiness  if still silly.
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Jun 26, 2017 21:25
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pookel posted:Is that buried in the comments so far? The post looks like it's just arguing for funding farms where rats are well taken care of, which is a little Lower down in the post itself: "Right now, shockingly few people are concerned with filling the universe with tiny beings whose minds are specifically geared toward feeling as much pure happiness as possible. I’d like to see more efforts to promote this outcome." Someone else notes this is wireheading (which is already an LW trope). There's no way that isn't what he meant.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:29
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increasing universal happiness by focusing on creating a bunch of happy rats sounds like one of those thought experiments someone would think up to reveal the flaws of utilitarianism is this guy taking the piss?
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Jun 26, 2017 22:57
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Law Cheetah posted:increasing universal happiness by focusing on creating a bunch of happy rats sounds like one of those thought experiments someone would think up to reveal the flaws of utilitarianism As the lesswrong saying goes "shut up and multiply", ie "keep on using your model even if it's giving absurd results"
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Jun 26, 2017 23:01
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, great men having the moral courage to make terrible but necesssary decisions is a key part of fascist thought. For sane people, the idea is generally to not get to that point in the first place. Literally a comic book set in an alternate post apocalyptic future that is a satire of America starting a literal jackbooted fascist, specifically a story that is a conclusion to the hyper Cold War involving Russia invading the US and the only way to end the war without most of the remaining population of the US dying is to drop a nuke, almost like it's a riff on the actual use of nuclear weapons in ww2 You're not supposed to root for Dredd killing five hundred million people, even if it was the only way to end the war Also he's already a literal member of the literal fascist literal police state so perhaps wringing your hands over the dangers of fascist thought tendencies is not really an appropriate reaction either?
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Jun 26, 2017 23:07
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Jesus Christ only on something awful do I have to explain that no you guys Judge Dredd isn't a hero and the end of the Apocalypse War isn't supposed to be a moment where you shrug and go "well he did what he had to do"
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Jun 26, 2017 23:11
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:From what I've read Fletcher Hanks just threw everything he had at the wall and then tore the wall down and built a new one from the rubble My comics friend said basically the same thing, but also that his life was super tragic and full of cycle of abuse poo poo 
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Jun 26, 2017 23:20
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, great men having the moral courage to make terrible but necesssary decisions is a key part of fascist thought. For sane people, the idea is generally to not get to that point in the first place. The joke is that's the description used not one page ago to classify things as the bad kind of unironic grimdark, which Dredd is definitely not apparently except when it is
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Jun 26, 2017 23:21
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Literally a comic book set in an alternate post apocalyptic future that is a satire of America starting a literal jackbooted fascist, specifically a story that is a conclusion to the hyper Cold War involving Russia invading the US and the only way to end the war without most of the remaining population of the US dying is to drop a nuke, almost like it's a riff on the actual use of nuclear weapons in ww2 Personally, I'd like to see one of these hard men make the hard decision to kill themselves. Not one of the Dark Enlightenment assholes, just one of these characters. Somebody realizing that during the war, they needed people willing to push the button on half a billion people, and during the post-apocalypse they needed somebody willing to abandon one person for the sake of the other hundred, but now that they have peace, there's no place for monsters like him, so *BANG* ~FIN~
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Jun 26, 2017 23:33
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darthbob88 posted:As much as I agree with your position here, it's kinda dependent on the comic to make it clear that Dredd is a bad guy, because otherwise you get a shitload of chucklefucks who will root for Dredd and his moral courage in making the only correct choice. It would have been a much, much stronger story if Dredd was _in_ the other city at the time, yes.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:57
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The fundamental risk of AI is that by defining a naive utility function you will inadvertently make the AI pursue goals that technically fulfil that function but are actually inimical to the flourishing of life and mind. Anyway, you put the rat in this clamp and make an incision here...
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Jun 26, 2017 23:57
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Peel posted:The fundamental risk of AI is that by defining a naive utility function you will inadvertently make the AI pursue goals that technically fulfil that function but are actually inimical to the flourishing of life and mind. Anyway, you put the rat in this clamp and make an incision here... 👏 👏 👏
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Jun 27, 2017 00:08
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Qwertycoatl posted:As the lesswrong saying goes "shut up and multiply", ie "keep on using your model even if it's giving absurd results" The version of utilitarianism they use is the simplified version economics uses sometimes, which is why they gleefully bite all the bullets utilitarians have spent years dodging
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Jun 27, 2017 00:25
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Relevant Tangent posted:The only thing of Hollerback's work I've actually read was his extremely bad take on Lovecraft. same
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Jun 27, 2017 00:35
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Law Cheetah posted:increasing universal happiness by focusing on creating a bunch of happy rats sounds like one of those thought experiments someone would think up to reveal the flaws of utilitarianism "It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question." -literally a book called Utilitarianism Just like libertarian thinking can be summed up as "Locke with a concussion," lesswrong thinking is "Bentham with a concussion," and Bentham is already "lovely JS Mill."
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Jun 27, 2017 00:58
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Literally a comic book set in an alternate post apocalyptic future that is a satire of America starting a literal jackbooted fascist, specifically a story that is a conclusion to the hyper Cold War involving Russia invading the US and the only way to end the war without most of the remaining population of the US dying is to drop a nuke, almost like it's a riff on the actual use of nuclear weapons in ww2 ... but you were defending Ennis a second ago for getting hyped about the 'moral courage' Dredd showed? Can't have it both ways, dude.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:04
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Darth Walrus posted:... but you were defending Ennis a second ago for getting hyped about the 'moral courage' Dredd showed? Can't have it both ways, dude.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:10
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Qwertycoatl posted:As the lesswrong saying goes "shut up and multiply", ie "keep on using your model even if it's giving absurd results" As someone who works with simulations, the fact that "don't check your model" is an accepted principle in rationalist circles makes me facepalm.
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Jun 27, 2017 09:58
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Skittle Prickle posted:As someone who works with simulations, the fact that "don't check your model" is an accepted principle in rationalist circles makes me facepalm. It struck me just now that the whole 'nerds understand the form of culture but not the content' applies to logic as well. So many rationals know how to manipulate logical building blocks but have no grasp of what it means to do so.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:46
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potatocubed posted:It struck me just now that the whole 'nerds understand the form of culture but not the content' applies to logic as well. So many rationals know how to manipulate logical building blocks but have no grasp of what it means to do so. It's just like programming languages but for squishy and soft people things!
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Jun 27, 2017 14:03
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:From what I've read Fletcher Hanks just threw everything he had at the wall and then tore the wall down and built a new one from the rubble haha holy poo poo this man is literal human garbage
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Jun 27, 2017 14:24
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Post Your Favorite (or Request): Coldly Compiled Lists > PYF Grimdark Enlightenment Thinker: In the Rationalist Future, Argumentum Ad Absurdum is No Fallacy
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Jun 27, 2017 15:19
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Skittle Prickle posted:As someone who works with simulations, the fact that "don't check your model" is an accepted principle in rationalist circles makes me facepalm. It's loving hilarious because checking and adjusting your model based on the results it gets vs the real world results is kind of a basic concept. A very basic concept that's not only taught early, but downright common sense. Lesswrongers do the same with bayesian statistics. They make up some numbers and decide they're right.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:36
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Jun 27, 2017 19:32
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Goon Danton posted:"It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question." -literally a book called Utilitarianism Isn't that what Sam Harris also does too?
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Jun 27, 2017 19:52
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scott's tumblr kerfuffle over his lovely blogpost about how you shouldn't care about racism is pretty amazing, mostly for his ability to feel threatened and insulted over nothing. check it out, though, it's nice.
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